"Project Cowboy" & Cancer in Winn Parish

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NO TAX

United States

#1 Jul 24, 2010
Just thinking about the cancer rate in Winn Parish. Have you taken the time to look up "Project Cowboy"? This is a great concern with all the waste area clean-ups being done in other states. It has been a while since I personally looked it up but I have had it in the back of my mind for sometime. This is about the waste products put in the salt mine during 1970.(This date maybe a little off but not much) I would like to hear your thoughts on this subject. There are very few families in this area that hasn't been touched by some form of cancer. Could this waste be in our water systems through the deep wells all over the parish?
anyone

Russellville, AR

#2 Jul 24, 2010
NO TAX wrote:
Just thinking about the cancer rate in Winn Parish. Have you taken the time to look up "Project Cowboy"? This is a great concern with all the waste area clean-ups being done in other states. It has been a while since I personally looked it up but I have had it in the back of my mind for sometime. This is about the waste products put in the salt mine during 1970.(This date maybe a little off but not much) I would like to hear your thoughts on this subject. There are very few families in this area that hasn't been touched by some form of cancer. Could this waste be in our water systems through the deep wells all over the parish?
Nothing about Project Cowboy in Google. Except about horses and cowboys. You sure you got the name right? Garret Cleaners dumped a lot of waste. It was behind the old hotel, and they're still cleaning up the turpentine plant aren't they? I won't even try to filter this nasty water. I live off purified bottle water.
NO TAX

United States

#3 Jul 25, 2010
You are right about not being able to find anything. I have spent the better part of 2 hours searching....but there was such a project and there should be information on it somewhere. Please continue to look and I will also search. Someone in the local government or state government should be able to tell us something about this. I am going to contact my congressman and see if he might be able to get me some links. Thank you for your interest in our community.
NO TAX More Information

United States

#4 Jul 25, 2010
The company doing this testing was Laurence Livermore National Laboratory www.doeal.gov/.../LLNL_ConciseHistory_1952-20...
The print is minute and must be enlarged to 400% so that it can be read. My dates are incorrect they should start the research in 1952 and go through the sealing of Carey Salt Mine in the early 1970's. The proper name for this program is Plowshare Program, Cowboy Event 1957.

Please help research this information...Is this why Carey Salt was sealed.
enter

United States

#5 Jul 25, 2010
NO TAX More Information wrote:
The company doing this testing was Laurence Livermore National Laboratory www.doeal.gov/.../LLNL_ConciseHistory_1952-20...
The print is minute and must be enlarged to 400% so that it can be read. My dates are incorrect they should start the research in 1952 and go through the sealing of Carey Salt Mine in the early 1970's. The proper name for this program is Plowshare Program, Cowboy Event 1957.
Please help research this information...Is this why Carey Salt was sealed.
Like many other government ventures the full truth will never be published.
I was fortunate to have known the last man out of the carey salt mines 840-ft shaft before water rose almost to surface level.

http://www.pollutionengineering.com/Articles/... .
These early requirements for the examination of the feasibility of storing high-level radioactive waste in salt led to the famed “Project Salt Vault” experiment initiated in 1965 by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.[2] The objective of the study was to determine if there was a change in stability of the salt under the influence of extreme heat and radiation.

Spent nuclear fuel rods were emplaced in the Carey salt mine in Lyons, Kan., at a depth of 1,000 feet. For two years, the salt was exposed to intense radiation and temperatures approaching 200˚C. There were no adverse effects noted by the researchers. The salt absorbed the radiation and heat with no deformation.

A more exciting experiment, and one many Americans never knew happened, took place in 1965 when the now defunct Atomic Energy Commission detonated a 5-kiloton nuclear device in the Tatum Salt Dome in southern Mississippi. The only fractures in the salt were a few feet in length and at the point of detonation. The salt absorbed the entire blast.[3]
Carl

Pineville, LA

#6 Jul 25, 2010
from why is winn so crum

Shreveport, LA

#7 Jul 25, 2010
Outsider wrote:
It all started when the Atomic Energy Commmision exploded Atomic Bombs in the Salt Mine years ago.
Would you be so kind to explain your comment about the Carey Salt Mine. I find it totally strange that you made that comment. I say that since my mother worked in the salt mine till it closed. It closed from them hitting an underground river that flooded the mine and all the equipment.
My father also worked at the Carey Salt Mine until it closed. He was the last man there for Carey until they officially closed the whole operation. He always said he thought the Atomic testing weakened the walls which caused the river to break through. They did not "hit" an underground river, there was a leak by the elevator shaft that kept getting worse and a crew of three men stayed after working hours to get it fixed. They were trying to chip away the area enough to fill it with concrete when the river broke through. The river had such force it hit the wall on the other side of that 50 foot room and never touched the floor. Those men were lucky to get out alive and we can only thank God this was done after the end of the days shift are all of the workers might not have made it. Also, that was the second time they had a water leak since the testing. The first time was a couple of years prior, inside the elevator shaft, but they brought in concrete trucks and got it plugged up. The Carey Salt Mine was established in 1931 and the atomic blasting,“Project Cowboy”, started in 1959 and ran through 1960. The mine ran for 28 years without any leaking problems from that underground river. Yet six years after all of the AEC’s atomic testing the river caused wall leakage twice and Carey closed its doors circa March 1966. I have to agree with my father and others, Project Cowboy was the culprit. There was a very good article about the mine published in the Alexandria Town Talk on May 20, 1984, page 4-A.
something is not right

Pineville, LA

#8 Jul 26, 2010
NO TAX More Information wrote:
The company doing this testing was Laurence Livermore National Laboratory www.doeal.gov/.../LLNL_ConciseHistory_1952-20...
The print is minute and must be enlarged to 400% so that it can be read. My dates are incorrect they should start the research in 1952 and go through the sealing of Carey Salt Mine in the early 1970's. The proper name for this program is Plowshare Program, Cowboy Event 1957.
Please help research this information...Is this why Carey Salt was sealed.
When I try to go to the link you posted, it says link no longer available. I would like to read more information about this, I have always heard stories about the Salt Mine. I have lived in the Winnfield area my whole life and was diagnosed with a type of cancer when I was 17, had chemo and radiation, and now have been in remission for about 8 years. I have always thought there was something wrong with the water around here, and don't you just love how they send you those notices in the mail that basically say..oh yeah, by the way, the water was contaminated last week, hope you didn't drink very much of if.
It really is amazing, the number of people around here who get some type of cancer and believe me once you are in a cancer treatment center as I was in Memphis, Tennessee, you would be surprised when you ask someone where they are from, they tell you they are from Northern Louisiana. Even the doctors commented to me that there were lots of people being treated there that were from Louisiana. Something is not right people!
NO TAX

Bossier City, LA

#9 Jul 26, 2010
Keep trying to get into the web sites....In one that I came across the statement was made that the advantages of storage in the mine outweighed the danger to the public. Wonder who decides? Check out the Alexandria Town Talk on May 20, 1984, on page 4. That's a good article. The thing we are looking for has been called many names by different companies. It may appear under Plowboy Program, Plowboy Event, Project Plowboy, Plowboy Project, Cowboy Event, Project Cowboy, Cowboy Project, Plowshare Program or Plowshare Program Cowboy Event. I also found quiet a bit looking under Winnfield LA Hazardous Waste Dump Carey Salt Mine(about 3 pages down in the search finds). Our City/Parish may need Federal Aid to compensate for illness. It would be interesting to know if a study has ever been made in this area on the number of cancer patients directly linked to the mine or their families. The first test was necular according to some of the reports I have read.
Where to Turn

United States

#10 Aug 31, 2010
Where do we look to for help. Both my grandparents died from cancer, my mother lost a breast to it. the doctors have found a mass on my vocal cords I will find the results later this month. who do we turn to for help in finding out.. Winn parish has a really high rate for cancer. Let me know what i can do to help fight this problem.
Escaped from Winn Parish

Munford, TN

#11 Jun 25, 2011
I was employed at "Winn Rock" in the early 80's, which is right next to (and some say above) the old Carey salt mine. At the bottom western side on the quarry pit, there is a hole approx. 1' in diameter through which you can hear the underground river. My father worked on the drilling rig that sunk the well they used for what ever atomic test it was. He said after the test, there were cement trucks lined up all the way to the highway (a good 1/2 mile) for several days pumping the hole full. To this day, there is a 48" pipe sticking out of the ground at the quarry where the cement was pumped. This all happened in the 50's. My father beat lung cancer in the year 2000 only to die of pancretic cancer in 2005. Related? I don't know. I also had a relative who worked at the quarry during the 80's. He died of lung cancer. I know of several more that died of cancer after working around that stone pit. I prob. worked a total of 5 years there, so I hope I don't develope cancer also, but if I do, I think that place would be the culprit. Proving it would be pretty much impossible though, since the government would be liable to hundreds, perhaps thousands, who were exposed there. All I can say is if you have a choice, get out of Winnfield, as it is nothing but a cradle for cancer and crooks. I left 25 years ago, and never regreted the choice. I pray for those who were exposed, and never even knew it. I wonder how those in charge can sleep at night. What good comes if you gain the whole world, yet lose your own soul? Words of the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.
Felt the Heat

United States

#12 Jun 25, 2011
Maybe the residents of Winnfield are in the same category as the people of southwest Utah. They are known as the "Downwinders" as they were down wind from the atomic proving grounds in Nevada. Their cancer rate is many times the national average. After much investigation it was found that the government was responsible and they paid some of the victims. One government agency said the people of that area were of "low potential" anyway.
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#13 Jun 27, 2011
NO TAX wrote:
Just thinking about the cancer rate in Winn Parish. Have you taken the time to look up "Project Cowboy"? This is a great concern with all the waste area clean-ups being done in other states. It has been a while since I personally looked it up but I have had it in the back of my mind for sometime. This is about the waste products put in the salt mine during 1970.(This date maybe a little off but not much) I would like to hear your thoughts on this subject. There are very few families in this area that hasn't been touched by some form of cancer. Could this waste be in our water systems through the deep wells all over the parish?
Interesting, but the Plowshare Program’s Cowboy Event (1957) was a high-explosives experiment conducted in the Carey Salt Mine, but it was a non-nuclear test. While I share your concern with the cancer rate and the water quality in the area, a 1000, and 2000 lbs pelletol explosive (which is TNT in the form of oval-shaped, smooth pellets) isn’t going to cause any concerns with radioactive clean-up or waste. It quiet probably had a something to do with what happened to the salt dome though. The Plowshare Program was a DOE research program designed to explore the use of nuclear explosives for industrial applications. What better way to make a harbor, or quarry a mountain? The “event” here in Winfield was conventional, and not nuclear, but there is the possibility of contamination to the ground water and water wells. Does anyone’s well water taste a little bit salty?

Here is a link to some interesting reading on the subject:
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_memoranda/2...

“What's that sound?”

Level 5

Since: Mar 09

Winnfield, LA

#14 Jun 27, 2011
Project Cowboy was a series of tests to determine whether exploding a high-explosive charge in the center of an underground sphere would produce seismic decoupling (relatively little of explosion energy is translated into earth motion) of the resulting shock wave. The tests were conducted in a salt mine at 800 ft below ground in two spherical rooms 12 and 30 ft in diam. The explosive used was duPont Pelletol 1.

“Good News Travels Fast”

Since: Jan 11

Parts Unknown

#15 Jul 4, 2011
There is a right smart of Cancer in Winn. Could be any number of things. Creosote in the ground from the old mill the EPA cleaned up a while back, numerous dump sights(home made land fills) before EPA regulations were instilled, lumber mills pouring wastes into rivers and streams, there's not just one easy answer. Much of the land is owned and leased by out of state investors, with no concern for the local community(only profits.)
Remember when they widened the road,(U.S. 167) guess where all those houses and asphalt and crap went? Right out yunder by the rock quarry,burried across the road, nobody cares about the land if they can make a buck or two off of it. So the people suffer. In my opinion. I could always be wrong, same as you.
wondering

Burlington, KY

#16 Jul 10, 2011
Thank you so much for the GOOD information. I was searching the web and found little. This is Great history story for the grandkids.

“Good News Travels Fast”

Since: Jan 11

Parts Unknown

#17 Jul 11, 2011
What about all the fracking?...it can't be good for the ground or the people. I can't count the times I've seen seismograph crews working the parish, with their swamp buggies full of explosives going down in the ground wherever they want. Nobody really cares;as long as a little $$ can be made. We'll be dead by the time our Grandchildren are old, their cancer will be their problem.
Have you ever taken that road(can't remember road #) at Sardis and gone out past 5 forks where it turns to gravel. Drive out some day and you'll see big tanks with sludge all over the ground, soaking right in. Who regulates this? As long as the profits don't stop the lives it ruins don't really seem to matter. My car runs on gasoline same as yours, I can't pour oil out on the ground by law. Why should the companies that drill, store and refine it be any different.
That big explosion last year???No good explanations for it.
Youngbut there

Alexandria, LA

#18 Jul 25, 2011
From the material i have reviewed there was only convenionial explosions up to 2000 pounds used.
An Aunt advised that one of the explosions was on August 29, 1959 the date of her wedding. My father could not attend because of his involvement with Project Cowboy. Winn Rock is a non union operation. There were never any safety programs in place. I never saw a air mask made available to an employee. I loaded train cars with gypsum dust and beathed in enough of that stuff to pave a road. There was also a "mineral filler" plant that produced a very fine powder substance from sand. That plant operator died from lung desease.
I have tried to get the Town Talk to print a story about Project Cowboy but they would not return my email. I have a few pictures of the fractures in the surface of the ground that result from a blast. It was the same blast that cracked U. S. 84.
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#19 Jul 20, 2012
bump

It was a non-nuclear test.

Level 1

Since: May 12

Ferriday, LA

#20 Jul 20, 2012
ElephantFly wrote:
What about all the fracking?...it can't be good for the ground or the people. I can't count the times I've seen seismograph crews working the parish, with their swamp buggies full of explosives going down in the ground wherever they want. Nobody really cares;as long as a little $$ can be made. We'll be dead by the time our Grandchildren are old, their cancer will be their problem.
Have you ever taken that road(can't remember road #) at Sardis and gone out past 5 forks where it turns to gravel. Drive out some day and you'll see big tanks with sludge all over the ground, soaking right in. Who regulates this? As long as the profits don't stop the lives it ruins don't really seem to matter. My car runs on gasoline same as yours, I can't pour oil out on the ground by law. Why should the companies that drill, store and refine it be any different.
That big explosion last year???No good explanations for it.
Can you tell me more about sardis and five forks and more on where this is located, id like to go see this, please let me know something asap!

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