Conversion Therapy still an option

Oct 3, 2012 Full story: www.virtueonline.org 15

World renowned California-based psychotherapist Dr. Joseph Nicolosi believes that teenagers who so choose can rid themselves of unwanted same sex attractions (SSA) despite a law passed banning reparative therapy for anyone under 18.

California Gov. Jerry Brown signed a law this week banning reparative therapy for anyone under that age. It is the first state in the country to ban a controversial form of psychotherapy that has proven successful at making some gay teenagers, who choose it, to live celibate or heterosexual lives ... Full Story

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Oct 3, 2012
from virtueonline:

"Nicolosi says that over the years he has seen hundreds of men come to his office for help in changing their sexual orientation.'Homosexuality doesn't work in their lives. It just never feels right or true. To these men, it is clear that gay relationships don't reflect who they are as gendered beings, and that they have been designed--physically and emotionally--for opposite-sex coupling.'

"Nicolosi admits that reorientation therapy is a long and difficult process, with no guarantee of success ...

"'People are often surprised to hear that in reparative therapy, typically there is very little discussion about sex. In fact, it is a mistake for any psychotherapy to focus exclusively on one particular symptom. Clients come in with a difficulty that they want removed from their life--an eating disorder, gambling obsession, or unwanted same-sex attraction-- but good therapy addresses the whole person."

Sanctification also uses this wholistic approach.
Corbin

Pekin, IL

#2 Oct 3, 2012
Every peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that professional therapy is effective.

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Since: Nov 07

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#3 Oct 3, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
from virtueonline:
What an incredibly ironic name given the deliberate disinformation which follows.
Joe DeCaro wrote:
"Nicolosi says that over the years he has seen hundreds of men come to his office for help in changing their sexual orientation.'Homosexuality doesn't work in their lives. It just never feels right or true. To these men, it is clear that gay relationships don't reflect who they are as gendered beings, and that they have been designed--physically and emotionally--for opposite-sex coupling.'
Nicolosi, is of course, Dr Joseph Nicolosi, former head of the National Association for Research and Therapy for Homosexuality, an allegedly educational foundation and head cheerleaders for the reparative therapy movement, founded shortly after the APA's removal of homosexuality from the DSM. It is a group or roughly 1000, what percentage of its membership are actually licensed professionals in the field is unknown. NARTH, as it is commonly called, has actually done very little research on its own and none that is particularly credible.
Joe DeCaro wrote:
"Nicolosi admits that reorientation therapy is a long and difficult process, with no guarantee of success ...
Nicolosi's own "studies" into the efficacy of reparative/conversion therapies claims a "success" rate of roughly 1 in 3. His idea of a successful therapeutic outcome however, is a little bit suspect, to say the least. According one has been successful at becoming a former homosexual if one still has same sex only attractions but are not acting on them, or at least not as frequently. Becoming actually heterosexual is apparently not a part of the so-called "cure".
Joe DeCaro wrote:
"'People are often surprised to hear that in reparative therapy, typically there is very little discussion about sex. In fact, it is a mistake for any psychotherapy to focus exclusively on one particular symptom. Clients come in with a difficulty that they want removed from their life--an eating disorder, gambling obsession, or unwanted same-sex attraction-- but good therapy addresses the whole person."
Sanctification also uses this wholistic approach.
The reality that Dr Nicolosi seems to ignore to the point of malpractice, is that this so-called therapy is incredibly ineffective in both the short and long term. The one peer reviewed longitudinal study on the subject identified a success rate, meaning those claiming to be heterosexual after treatment, of roughly 3% and in one heck of an amazing coincidence, all but one were also on the payroll of one of the so-called ex-gay ministries whose therapies were being studied. The disastrous failure rate of these therapies have consequences, 2/3 of those for whom this fails end their journey in greater psychological, emotional and spiritual distress when they started. Calling a Nicolosi a snake oil salesman would be an insult to snake oil salesmen, most of them didn't set out to harm people.

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#6 Oct 3, 2012
James Aist wrote:
Successful results can take the form of either a reversal of sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual, or only abstinence from same-sex sexual encounters.
Out of the nearly 200 "subjects" that were "cured" of their NATURAL sexuality only six considered themselves "cured" two years later. Two were abstinent and four were working as "reparative" therapists.

Perhaps YOU should sign up for "reparative therapy" to treat your assholishness?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#7 Oct 4, 2012
Laquesha Jefferson PhD wrote:
<quoted text>
Out of the nearly 200 "subjects" that were "cured" of their NATURAL sexuality only six considered themselves "cured" two years later ...
No link for your ass-ertion?
George

Jacksonville, FL

#8 Oct 4, 2012
I don't know the extent to which such therapy can be effecitve but it is crazy that a state can outlaw a therapy that at least some therapists and patients think is beneficial. Seems to me that government should not be prescribing or proscribing particular procedures and approaches. Whatever happened to the voices of pro-abortion types who insist that decisions on medical procedures, even those that destroy human lives, must be left to the doctor and patient and that the government has no business intruding on that decision making process? If reparative therapy is a deviation from the standard of care in the "industry," therapists who emply it and cause damage open themselves to serious malpractice claims. Do we need legislators telling doctors that in treating cancer you may not use radiation - only chemo-therapy is acceptable? Do we want them to?
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#9 Oct 4, 2012
Corbin wrote:
Every peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that professional therapy is effective.
.....only for bisexual people
.
But even for bisexual people; their bisexual orientation never changes
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#10 Oct 4, 2012
George wrote:
I don't know the extent to which such therapy can be effecitve but it is crazy that a state can outlaw a therapy that at least some therapists and patients think is beneficial. Seems to me that government should not be prescribing or proscribing particular procedures and approaches. Whatever happened to the voices of pro-abortion types who insist that decisions on medical procedures, even those that destroy human lives, must be left to the doctor and patient and that the government has no business intruding on that decision making process? If reparative therapy is a deviation from the standard of care in the "industry," therapists who emply it and cause damage open themselves to serious malpractice claims. Do we need legislators telling doctors that in treating cancer you may not use radiation - only chemo-therapy is acceptable? Do we want them to?
Well then; prove your theory
.
Hire a 'therapist' to change your sex orientation from straight to gay
.
If you fall in love with a person of your same sex and live happily ever after; then you have credibility
George

Jacksonville, FL

#12 Oct 4, 2012
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Well then; prove your theory
.
Hire a 'therapist' to change your sex orientation from straight to gay
.
If you fall in love with a person of your same sex and live happily ever after; then you have credibility
I am not an advocate of reparative therapy. If you read what I wrote, I merely said that state legislators ought not be prescribing or proscribing therapeutic procedures.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#13 Oct 4, 2012
George wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not an advocate of reparative therapy. If you read what I wrote, I merely said that state legislators ought not be prescribing or proscribing therapeutic procedures.
It is our government's job to regulate a profession when the profession fails to self-regulate
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This forced Congress to pass the Affordable Health Care Act.....
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.....to control a medical and insurance industry 'gone wild'
.
Now California has expanded on that principle by controlling snake-oil salesmen 'gone wild' by putting the brakes on gay child abuse
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#15 Oct 4, 2012
James Aist wrote:
The only kind of evidence that a person is homosexual is their identification of themselves as homosexual. No one follows them around 24/7 and gathers photographic evidence to verify it
Not any more
.
From the American Medical Association (AMA) February 19, 2011:
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Gay people are born with a different brain size and structure with corresponding spinal cord differences to match. These body parts are *not* physically interchangeable with the corresponding body parts of a heterosexual
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These physical differences have been photographed during 66 years of autopsy research; and are visible to the naked eye
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++++++++++
"Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity are conferred during the first 12 weeks of gestation, and they are irreversible"
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http://media01.commpartners.com/AMA/sexual_id...
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VERIFICATION:
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In May of 2011; the AMA presented these medical findings to the 21st Annual Meeting of the European Neurological Society in Lisbon; Portugal
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There; the AMA discovered the Europeans have been running similar research projects and made the same discovery; that gay people have gay-specific brains connected to gay-specific spinal cords through 6 neurological crossovers found only in borngay people
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/2269...
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So proof that gays are *born that way* has now been corroborated across two continents; we are a coexistent worldwide population taking control of our own destiny
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Shortly after these revelations; President Obama discontinued the Federal Government's practice of intimidating gay people with DOMA and proceeded to dismantle DOMA
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#16 Oct 4, 2012
George wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not an advocate of reparative therapy. If you read what I wrote, I merely said that state legislators ought not be prescribing or proscribing therapeutic procedures.
There are no theraputic procedures in any of the legitimately licensed medical professions that change sex orientation
.
The grossly misnamed 'ex-gay' scam is all just a huge money-making scheme used to support elaborate lifestyles of self-anointed sociopathic perverts practicing fake medicine under religious pretenses; i.e.: a tax-exempt cash cow for the fundamentalist religions
http://www.gaychristian101.com/ex-gay.html
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Want proof? Try to get Medicare; Medicaid; or Obamacare to pay for 'ex-gay' therapy
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Your claim will be denied so fast the red ink will still be wet when the postman puts it in your mailbox

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Since: Nov 07

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#17 Oct 4, 2012
George wrote:
I don't know the extent to which such therapy can be effecitve but it is crazy that a state can outlaw a therapy that at least some therapists and patients think is beneficial.
By all accounts, thalidomide was a damn fine effective treatment for "morning sickness" in pregnant women, so what if it meant playing Russian roulette with the health of your unborn child? In the case of these so-called reparative/conversion therapies, what we do know is, that they are incredibly ineffective, if they are effective ever and the vast majority of adults who go through it are going to come out worse than when they went in and you want people to be able to do this to children, probably against their will just because you heard somebody say that it might work, but you can't say whether it will or not. Wow.
George wrote:
Seems to me that government should not be prescribing or proscribing particular procedures and approaches.
Seems to me that the government should be protecting children from the incredibly dangerous things that their parents have been talked into doing to them. This so called treatment being one of them.
George wrote:
Whatever happened to the voices of pro-abortion types who insist that decisions on medical procedures, even those that destroy human lives, must be left to the doctor and patient and that the government has no business intruding on that decision making process?
But it is not being left to the "patient" dear, their parents are the ones calling the shots. The government has an obligation to stand up for the rights of the post born.
George wrote:
If reparative therapy is a deviation from the standard of care in the "industry," therapists who emply it and cause damage open themselves to serious malpractice claims.
Look up "touch therapy" and get back to us. The largest professional association in this country has sided with those who say these so-called therapies are dangerous and ineffective after reviewing the last 40 plus years of work on the subject. Any "therapist" who employs such therapies, even if requested, should be subject to malpractice.
George wrote:
Do we need legislators telling doctors that in treating cancer you may not use radiation - only chemo-therapy is acceptable? Do we want them to?
If radiation can be show to be as seriously ineffective and as potentially harmful as these so-called therapies have proved themselves to be, hell yes.

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Since: Nov 07

this one

#18 Oct 4, 2012
The often repeated claim that we are in fact surrounded by thousands and even tens of thousands of homosexuals made heterosexual by such therapies has pretty much had the lie laid to it by the Spitzer study. It took him more than a year to find barely 200 people claiming that they had experienced orientation shift as a result of therapy and he even had the major advocacy groups in favor of such therapies beating the bushes trying to find any. His study consisted of a veritable who's who of those who make their livings based on the claim that they are no longer homosexual, amateur ex-gays are apparently an incredibly scarce breed, if they exist much at all.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#19 Oct 4, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
The often repeated claim that we are in fact surrounded by thousands and even tens of thousands of homosexuals ...
Surrounded?
Is it time to circle the wagons?

No.
According to the LA Times, GLBTs represent only about 3.5% of the U.S. population.

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