Machinists Lash Out At Hamilton Sunds...

Machinists Lash Out At Hamilton Sundstrand's New President Over...

There are 42 comments on the Hartford Courant story from May 5, 2009, titled Machinists Lash Out At Hamilton Sundstrand's New President Over.... In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

The Machinists union at Hamilton Sundstrand lashed out at the company and its new president Tuesday over what the union said was a sudden layoff of 62 hourly workers with little warning.

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Cabin John, MD

#24 May 6, 2009
Gee what happened - Obama said he would take care of us all. People said Obama would pay for gasoline and give everybody a job.

Maybe the losers in this union didn't kick enough money up to Hussein like the UAW did. You got to pay to play - every union thug knows that.
DJS

Elizabeth, NJ

#25 May 6, 2009
pizmopete wrote:
The corporations in America are the furthest thing from being american today..Greed and execessive pay have driven every job to overseas factories. Not only to not support american labor but to bypass ENVIROMENTAL and LABOR LAWS. They exploit and uses cheap labor to resell these products at higher profits not cheaper prices. American Inovation and Leadership has fallen into the corporate trough of mediocracy and safe. The UTC model of shared partners was watered down the american workers from the most productive in the world to the over paid lazy union slug. The corporations planned these events and blame the american WORKER, as greedy and WE, ruined the economy, buying thing we couldn't afford or living on too much credit. As the gap between the Rich EXECS and the AMERICAN worker grew by 400 percent. Lets OUTSOURCE all EXECS AND BOARDMEMBERS with low pay Indian or chinese execs and pay them pennys on the millions and see how fast the economy turns around. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.
have some more kool aid pete
Justin

San Diego, CA

#26 May 6, 2009
In the old days they used to express their frusturation with a pitchfork. TSK TSK TSK
Needs vs Wants

Dallas, TX

#27 May 6, 2009
Where is Dudd in all of this?

It is a perfect opportunity for Senator Chris to get some face time on the local stations to show how he is "working for the voters of CT and the middle class".

Oh, wait a minute, UTC is one of the major contributors to his campaign fund.
Tool

Vernon Rockville, CT

#28 May 6, 2009
Calvin wrote:
<quoted text>
When your already living comfortable with figures.. why do you need a bonus?? wether you earned it or not?? Plus they don't "Earn" a bonus.. the workers are the ones who do all the work.. the salary f*cks are the ones sittin back pretty reeping the benefits!
Hey Calvin,

We salary folk are the ones who implement lean in your shops, which saves companies thousands of dollars to keep lazy union workers their jobs. There is no other way to compete with other countries without doing things like that. Changes like that pay for themselves hundreds of times over. So, yes we (salaried folk) do deserve bonuses. Why did you deserve your last raise? did you save the company tens of thousands of dollars every year?...or...did you get one because your union contract says so...
Hamilton worker

AOL

#29 May 7, 2009
Tool wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Calvin,
We salary folk are the ones who implement lean in your shops, which saves companies thousands of dollars to keep lazy union workers their jobs. There is no other way to compete with other countries without doing things like that. Changes like that pay for themselves hundreds of times over. So, yes we (salaried folk) do deserve bonuses. Why did you deserve your last raise? did you save the company tens of thousands of dollars every year?...or...did you get one because your union contract says so...
Sir, were you ever a union worker? sounds like you wern't...how does sending our jobs to other countys save our jobs? our labor makes hamilton money so why should we get layed off,and we deserve every penny we get!! I've seen alot of our jobs in WLOX go out of the country so how does that help us? Its the all mighty buck that utc cares about, not the workers!!
Hamilton worker

AOL

#30 May 7, 2009
I think everyone should know that Hamilton Standard
not sundstrand was a huge company at one time in WLOX with thousands of skilled union workers that manufactured everything for the aerospace community and now theres only a few thousand because most of our jobs are everywhere else but in WLOX. Hamilton STOP GETTING RID OF OUR JOBS!!
You say you care about the workers well then keep our jobs here!!
Guy with the Wooden Eye

Newington, CT

#31 May 7, 2009
The Union Machinist can not guaranty the amount of hours they will charge to build a tool or a part. The Machinist hourly rate is same or less then outsourcing. But they pad the hours with Union downtime work rules and the costs are 50% to 75% higher.
A CT Citizen

Newington, CT

#32 May 7, 2009
Everyone is complaining about the lack of security in their jobs, Guess what there never was, you work at the behest of the employer. BHO wants to change that to the government and then you will be subject to a whole new set of job requirements that will change at a whim.

The loss of jobs has been occurring since the late 60's when the european and japaneese economies started to recover from WWII. Now with the addition of India and China, it will continue to erode. The government during this time has made production costs in the US unbearable when trying to compete. Labor is one cost and every time min wage is increased, yes it does help the individual who keeps his job, but less people are employed at the low end of the wage scale, economic facts until the laws of economies are changed. Good environmental laws do not cost much but draconian laws kill businesses. Good regulations ensures a level playing field and some people lose, Bad regulations kill everyone.

Smaller, less intrusive government NOW!!
Chris M

United States

#33 May 7, 2009
There's really no use in debating - the mentality of typcial "shop floor" personnel (union or not) is "what's in it for me?". Unions just make it worse. Need a part moved? Sorry - that's that guy's job, not mine. All I do is this one thing on this one machine all day, other guys do their one thing on their one machine all day. And then the union wonders why UTC is systematically outsourcing their jobs. WHY DO YOU THINK!?!? IF you go get 3-5 quotes to do work on your house, do you pay the most expensive one because he's an AMerican, or do you pick the one who'll do the best job for the most reasonable cost?
Use your heads, losers. Maybe you should've studied harder... then you wouldn't have to worry about being replaced by someone who'll work for 10% of what your bloated salaries are...
Calvin

Granby, CT

#34 May 7, 2009
Tool wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Calvin,
We salary folk are the ones who implement lean in your shops, which saves companies thousands of dollars to keep lazy union workers their jobs. There is no other way to compete with other countries without doing things like that. Changes like that pay for themselves hundreds of times over. So, yes we (salaried folk) do deserve bonuses. Why did you deserve your last raise? did you save the company tens of thousands of dollars every year?...or...did you get one because your union contract says so...
Acutally loser I didnt get a raise because YOU laid me off!! Now im just working TAX FREE making twice as much as you!! So i guess it was a blessing in disguise! Thanks!
Calvin

Granby, CT

#35 May 7, 2009
Tool wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Calvin,
We salary folk are the ones who implement lean in your shops, which saves companies thousands of dollars to keep lazy union workers their jobs. There is no other way to compete with other countries without doing things like that. Changes like that pay for themselves hundreds of times over. So, yes we (salaried folk) do deserve bonuses. Why did you deserve your last raise? did you save the company tens of thousands of dollars every year?...or...did you get one because your union contract says so...
Hahah and one more thing.. my time at hamilton taught me one thing.. all salry folks do is 1) Check e-mail 2) talk in small groups about current events i.e. water cooler.. poland springs.. 3) Check their e-mail again haha cant say different seen it with my own eyes
Calvin

Granby, CT

#36 May 7, 2009
Chris M wrote:
There's really no use in debating - the mentality of typcial "shop floor" personnel (union or not) is "what's in it for me?". Unions just make it worse. Need a part moved? Sorry - that's that guy's job, not mine. All I do is this one thing on this one machine all day, other guys do their one thing on their one machine all day. And then the union wonders why UTC is systematically outsourcing their jobs. WHY DO YOU THINK!?!? IF you go get 3-5 quotes to do work on your house, do you pay the most expensive one because he's an AMerican, or do you pick the one who'll do the best job for the most reasonable cost?
Use your heads, losers. Maybe you should've studied harder... then you wouldn't have to worry about being replaced by someone who'll work for 10% of what your bloated salaries are...
Bottom line is foreigners cant do it as good as americans... if u think otherwise then perhaps its treason
Calvin

Granby, CT

#37 May 7, 2009
haha if I went to college and became a salaried folk i couldnt figured out that i said .. my time at hamilton taught me one thing.. but then I wrote about three...hahah but too bad i never went to college and now im a loser.. haha
Garrett

San Diego, CA

#38 May 7, 2009
Guys, guys you are missing the whole point. Union or non-Union, everyones job is hanging by the thread. Over 50% US earned salary goes to taxes. 25% federal, 5% state, 6% sales tax, which you pay unless you save, gas tax, car tax, house tax 4k+, 1-2k a year in health insurance, which in itself is a tax. Get away with all taxes, raise sales tax to make up, half of give everyone 1/3 of their salary and then we are competitive. Our disposable income would be the same however salaries more in line with global economy. Just some stew to chew.
Needs vs Wants

Dallas, TX

#39 May 8, 2009
Garrett wrote:
Guys, guys you are missing the whole point. Union or non-Union, everyones job is hanging by the thread. Over 50% US earned salary goes to taxes. 25% federal, 5% state, 6% sales tax, which you pay unless you save, gas tax, car tax, house tax 4k+, 1-2k a year in health insurance, which in itself is a tax. Get away with all taxes, raise sales tax to make up, half of give everyone 1/3 of their salary and then we are competitive. Our disposable income would be the same however salaries more in line with global economy. Just some stew to chew.
100% correct.

From a business' standpoint you also need to add the cost of regulations, the ability of most anyone to sue you for just about anything, and sorry to say it to the union guys out there, the cost of union seniority and greviance rules which often force employers to keep employees who are not the most productive.

All these extra costs effect your employers ability to pay wages and benefits you would like.

Years ago the "business of America was business". Now it is government and the legal system.
LOGICALLY SPEAKING

United States

#40 May 8, 2009
General Motors wishes they had taken such action many years ago.

Versus "laying off" WITH pay.
LOGICALLY SPEAKING

United States

#41 May 8, 2009
Hamilton worker wrote:
you clearly have no qlue as to what your talking about!! you sound bitter yourself, i am a layed off worker from hamilton who worked very hard, its the company who out sources our jobs from ct to other countrys which isn't right!! pal keep your mouth shut if you don't know what your talking about.
Maybe having a union wasn't such a good idea since it adds cost to the bottom line. Was there an effort to dump the union in the past?

If this is a good company as previously stated, why have a union? Any attempt to void the union in the past? Once employees go union (especially in a good company) there is no obligation and shouldn't be for the company to trim the fat.(Except for GM that bowed to union pressure and it cost them HUGE). Unions cost the company and its members, slow production, cause disruption, protect the low performers, place all persons no matter performance on the same pay raise scale, and cause every improvement or change take FOREVER.

Complain to Chris Dodd. And consider NOT being in a union if you work for a decent company in the future.
LOGICALLY SPEAKING

United States

#42 May 8, 2009
Garrett wrote:
Guys, guys you are missing the whole point. Union or non-Union, everyones job is hanging by the thread. Over 50% US earned salary goes to taxes. 25% federal, 5% state, 6% sales tax, which you pay unless you save, gas tax, car tax, house tax 4k+, 1-2k a year in health insurance, which in itself is a tax. Get away with all taxes, raise sales tax to make up, half of give everyone 1/3 of their salary and then we are competitive. Our disposable income would be the same however salaries more in line with global economy. Just some stew to chew.
You are correct. Add this to equation too.

Business tax is 2nd highest in the world.

Companies are being squeezed by politicians (liberals) from all sides and it affects their ability to be profitable and grow, create jobs:

- Higher business tax (increase prices to consumers, lower sales, fewer jobs).

- EFCA and pro-union policies: increased costs, increase prices passed onto consumers, lower sales, fewer jobs).

- Environmental regulations....green. Some of this is good, yet the former VP (Gore) and his supporters (Obama, Pelosi, etc) are forcing some excessive legislation down the throats of companies. Guess what. Higher costs, increase prices passed onto consumers, lower sales, fewer jobs.

- Closing of tax loop holes as the media likes to refer to it. Close the loop. Taxes move to U.S. vs Britain and other countries (our allies). Taxes get paid by the company. Higher prices passed on to consumer..........fewer jobs.

These politicans don't get it. Businesses can't be successful and they WILL look for cheaper methods and locations when they are paying out the nose for every government program and spendulus proposed.

Or maybe they do get it and that is frightening.
LOGICALLY SPEAKING

United States

#43 May 8, 2009
Tool wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Calvin,
We salary folk are the ones who implement lean in your shops, which saves companies thousands of dollars to keep lazy union workers their jobs. There is no other way to compete with other countries without doing things like that. Changes like that pay for themselves hundreds of times over. So, yes we (salaried folk) do deserve bonuses. Why did you deserve your last raise? did you save the company tens of thousands of dollars every year?...or...did you get one because your union contract says so...
Amen!
Our non-union company gave raises and BONUSES to every employee. Until the eco-crunch. And the management is taking the biggest hits (pay raises, bonuses, forced unpaid time off, no matching 401K) to preserve jobs. Non-mgmt is getting no raise this year or bonus and that's it. No job losses yet. Everyone in it together with CEO on down leading by example.

If a union environment..........would be cutting jobs left and right with no looking back.

Unions and Democrats have the same philosophy. Everyone is the same.......whatever the lowest common denominator is, that's the new standard. Initiative is killed with a union/democrat.
Individuality is gone.
Get the most for the least.
The few paying for the many.

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