Church Vs. A Change

There are 45 comments on the Hartford Courant story from Apr 5, 2007, titled Church Vs. A Change. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

April 5, 2007 By COLIN POITRAS , Courant Staff Writer Representatives of the Roman Catholic Church in Connecticut are fighting a proposal to extend the statute of limitations for lawsuits in child molestation ...

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ABC

Hartford, CT

#21 Apr 5, 2007
Hmmmmm
ABC

Hartford, CT

#22 Apr 5, 2007
What vitriolic. The Catholic Church is not made up of a bunch of pedophiles. The Catholic Church is made of a diverse group of people, who throughout their history have sought to continue the work of charity, advancing the cause of the poor and powerless, and enriching the world. The venemous comments reveals the deep seated rage people have toward the Church.

The deep pockets syndrome of the lawyers will fuel this extention of the statutes of limitation. Do you think people will be going after their Uncle Bubba, who lives in a trailer, for the abuse they suffered as children? Probabaly not. Even less likey to find a lawyer to take the case.

What is the benefit here? A small group of people, lawyers particularly, will benefit from law suits. The punitive damages awarded to the victims will not take away their pain, but will end up disrupting the social outreach of the Church, made of many people who had no responsabilty for the scandal.
Stas Please

Washington, DC

#23 Apr 5, 2007
The Catholic Church should do the right thing and let those who abused children and parishioners stand trial! Is hiding from the truth behind a statute of limitations the "Christlike" thing to do?
mel

AOL

#24 Apr 5, 2007
So the church is worried about dead priests who can't defend themselves. How about all those people who were molested and who's feelings and emotions are now dead. How about those victims who are dead because they committed suicide. The poor church. If the pope spent more time on exposing all these crimes and less time on condemning Bob Dylan as a false prophet maybe something would get done. If the church goes bankrupt because of these lawsuits it deserves it. It's just another big corporation anyway.
mel

AOL

#25 Apr 5, 2007
mac wrote:
<quoted text>
Tom you obviously have issues. There are victums of sexual abuse committed by Rabbis, Evangelicals, Hindus, Moslem clergy. That doesn't make all of the clergy guilty it is only a few. The reason that we only hear about the Catholic clergy is that the Church is a large organization, which allows bigots like you to target it.
This about all organized religion. The other one's just do a better job of hiding their own creeps. I saw a Rabbi get caught on one of those NBC child molestation shows. Nobody says it's just the Catholic Church. They are all in same bed. They want to protect their image. People need to realize the part all religions play in world politics and how they will go to almost any length to protect themselves. It's bad PR to get caught with your hand in a kid's pants and proclaim that you are the true salvation.
High School Parent

South Windsor, CT

#26 Apr 5, 2007
How about we just treat these pediophiles like all others...shove them in a prison cell waiting for castration. Ok..my dream is over. More and more and more the evil in these so called priests comes out. Basically, as a Christian, I'm losing all interest in the catholic church and its screwed up laws that only protect the priests. Im tired of them preaching their stand on abortion and birth control while at the same time, their own priests are sexually raping young children. I can believe in a higher power and i have faith in my religion....just not the Pope who protects all these scumbags.
patricia copeland

Bristol, CT

#27 Apr 5, 2007
There's the hierarchy dealing out the usual load of crap to excuse itself from responsibility and accountability for th situation.......

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#28 Apr 5, 2007
Actually, it's the church that is keeping things going. If they only admitted that some of their priests had done less than legal things with children and made attempts not to hide these acts, or worse hide these priests, they wouldn't be where they are now. Instead they not only hid these pedophiles, but moved them to other parishes to offend again!!!

Now they ask victims to sign non-disclosure agreements as well. They indeed have made their own beds here.
Holiday

Hartford, CT

#29 Apr 5, 2007
"Can anyone bring me up to date on why criminal charges were not brought against Steve Foley for criminal acts? "

When the legislature changed the law in 2002 to make the statute of limitations in child sexual abuse cases to 30 years, the law they passed said that the only cases that could be retroactive were civil cases. Criminal cases were not retroactive.

Many members of the legislature wanted to make criminal cases retroactive, too. However, the Catholic church and other conservative legislators prevented the criminal cases from being retroactive. So, as a compromise, only the civil cases became retroactive to the 2002 law.

Prior to the 2002 law, the statute of limitations was only 2 years.
Tom

Durham, CT

#30 Apr 5, 2007
ABC wrote:
Extension of the statutes would benefit a small group of people, not the least of which are the laywers, and a group of victims. Get the victims the counseling they need. But the money that would be paid out in punitive damages, would hardly heal the victims and would do great harm to the works of charity done.
Well, ABC, I hardly think getting victims counseling they need is something the church tried to do before lawyers got involved. In fact, I think the reason lawyers got involved, if memory serves, is because the church PROTECTED the abusers and DISCREDITED the abused!!!

You are clearly brainwashed by this organization. I suggest you crack open that dusty bible hidden away in your attic and read it. While it has many inconsistencies, the message of Jesus is relatively straightforward.

And I can assure you, ABC, that nowhere in the bible does it state that the Catholic Church is to appoint a Pope and have him and his minions sit on billions of dollars in money, art, real estate, etc., while poor people in the world starve to death!!!

The ignorance of some people...go ahead, keep going to the Catholic church, assume you're doing some good...while the church takes your money and fritters most of it away on their lavish lifestyles!!! Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!
ToughenTheLaws

United States

#31 Apr 5, 2007
According to the article, "With the inclusion of such aggravating factors, proponents of the law said it would give prosecutors greater flexibility when the crime involves a relative or a consensual sexual relationship."

I question WHAT flexibility is needed when a child is involved?- If the perpetrator is a relative, he/she should be punished just as harshly if not more punitively. As a "relative" that person had both access and trust. Again, I ask: WHAT flexibility would prosecutors need?!

Additionally, the law (as presented in the article and preceding excerpt) is concerned with prosecutorial flexibility in the event that the relationship is consensual. WHAT relationship between a child under 13 and an adult is consensual?!

Please tell me that I am reading something wrong here!

Furthermore, the article states, "The proposed law also establishes mandatory minimum sentences ranging from one to 10 years for various other sex offenses, especially when the victim is younger than 13. The tougher sentences would apply to sexual contact under the risk of injury law (five years minimum); employing a minor in an obscene performance (10 years); possession of child pornography in the first-degree (five years) and enticing a child under the age of 16 into sexual activity via the Internet (five years minimum for a first offense, 10 years for a second offense.)"

These sentences are not long enough. Make sentences that TRULY serve as a disincentive for those contemplating sexual injury to a child!!!

As a final thought, as a young woman who was raised Catholic, I have no pity for the Catholic Church's current financial crisis. For years the Church protected pedophile priests under a veil of silence, now they must pay for their collusion! Period.
ABC

Hartford, CT

#32 Apr 5, 2007
Tom you are proving my point. Yeah, sure sell the antiquity to the highest bidder? Then you be complaining about that too. The old the Catholic Church has billions....what a line of crap.

All these so called Christians that pound on my door on Saturday morning are not too interested in soup kitchens, caring for the poor and immigrant, standing up a culture that is antilife. Yeah, the church screwed up. But to suggest, as some have here, that priests are continuing to abuse children, is not factual. To suggest that this instition, should be done away with, or in some way is pure evil, it just simple ignorant. It is appealing to bigotry.

Further your crack about the Bible is another one. Are you claiming to have the truth? Ha. I sure as hell would not follow you. The Catholic Church puts out there in the civil discourse its gathered wisdom of 2000 years of Scriptures and Sacred Tradition. It is just not an easy thing to jetison for a devout Catholic. It is not easy to ignore its arguments, when you are on the other side of the debate.

Some of the Church's detractors, like yourself, think they have found a chink in the armour. Well have it. Kick, cuss, and curse the Church all you want. But while you are on your self righteous rant, another child will be molested, and odds the abuser will be a member of their family, and not a Catholic priest.

ABC

Hartford, CT

#33 Apr 5, 2007
Toughen the Laws, raised Catholic. And you dont have an ax to grind too?
TC Mots

United States

#34 Apr 6, 2007
...that's right, just keep parroting the 'party line' and ignore the obvious. Old saws like 'the Church is good, it is only the failings of humans that besmirch it', and other such skewed logic continue to ignore the 'good works' performed by those nadirs of Catholic history such as Odo, Bishop of Bayeux (1036 - 1097) http://www.doverpages.co.uk/odo.htm

Grand Inquisitor, Tomas de Torquemada (1420 - 1498)
http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article-938...

The Nazi apologist/enabler, Eugenio Pacelli, a.k.a. Pope Pius XII, a.k.a. "Hitler's Pope" (1876–1958) is another example of wondrous good works performed by Catholic hierarchy.
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/hi...

The Catholic Church does not hesitate to ‘talk the talk’ and assumes the moral high ground at the drop of a hat. However, its actions, and self-aggrandizement, over the centuries demonstrate how far it has strayed from (Matt. 19:16-29) "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Judging from the church’s financial portfolio and vast holdings, there is not much left on their game card that approximates the teachings of their founder.

The Catholic Church’s propensity for politics, power, chicanery and intrigue persisted over the centuries as well. Martin Luther was correct to protest “doctrinal aberrations and immoral practices” such as the selling of Indulgences (quid pro quo arrangement wherein one could buy salvation for a donation) and other issues. Luther nailed his “Ninety-Five Theses” against the castle church in Wittenberg and set a grand drama in motion.. http://www.tecmalta.org/tft345.htm

The Catholic Church had little tolerance for reformation that might ‘rock their boats.’ The 16th century Church reacted (and retaliated) by issuing Papal Bulls and the Edict of Worms.(The Edict of Worms was a decree issued on May 25, 1521 at the Diet of Worms by the Holy Roman Emperor, Emperor Charles V, declaring Martin Luther an outlaw and a heretic and banning his literature. It also made it a crime for anyone in Germany to give Luther food or shelter. These stipulations declared Luther to be an outlaw and banned the reading or possession of his writings. It permitted anyone to kill Luther without legal consequence. The Edict was a divisive move that distressed more moderate men, in particular Desiderius Erasmus.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Worms .(Issuing an edict wherein believers are “permitted to kill Luther” How does that mesh with Christ’s teachings? Doesn’t it sound eerily similar to the death sentences issued by other fundamentalists against Salman Rushdie for his book “Satanic Verses” and more recently, the Danish cartoonist?)

How does all this background information apply to this topic you might ask? If today’s issue is not about preserving its wealth, prestige, or moral propriety, and the Catholic Church has nothing to hide, why do its leaders obstruct legislation that would bring miscreants to the bar of justice? They do have a point that, once deceased, the accused can no longer defend against allegations. However, in the case of Foley and others they have sheltered, why do Church leaders continue to shelter them? Could it be “doctrinal aberrations and immoral practices” remain alive and well in today’s Catholic Church?
Disgusted Catholic

Stonington, CT

#35 Apr 6, 2007
How can the church on one hand vilify Catholics who do not go to confession, while simultaneously trying to avoid acknowledging the damage homosexual priests have done in the past generation? Hypocrisy of the highest order by church leaders. The church needs to clean its own house and earn the trust of the people again. Unethical and pompous church leaders may have mortally wounded a great institution. I still go each Sunday but am disgusted by what I often see. Faith is being tested and the young are leaving the church, its sad.
JACK PRINCE

Waterbury, CT

#36 Apr 7, 2007
Disgusted Catholic wrote:
How can the church on one hand vilify Catholics who do not go to confession, while simultaneously trying to avoid acknowledging the damage homosexual priests have done in the past generation? Hypocrisy of the highest order by church leaders. The church needs to clean its own house and earn the trust of the people again. Unethical and pompous church leaders may have mortally wounded a great institution. I still go each Sunday but am disgusted by what I often see. Faith is being tested and the young are leaving the church, its sad.
A homosexual and a pedophile are not one and the same.

Since: Mar 07

Alexandria, VA

#37 Apr 7, 2007
ABC wrote:
What vitriolic. The Catholic Church is not made up of all pedophiles. In fact, the Catholic Church is made up of a very diverse group of people who help so many people, advances the cause for the poor and powerless, and has enriched our world. The lawyers and in some cases the victims are eager to go after the supposed deep pockets of the Catholic people. I wonder would they be going after "Uncle Bubba" who lives in a trailer? Given that there are statistically more molesters from families and close friends, will the laywers be interested in punishing them?
Or is the motive for all this to harm the Catholic Church?
Well the only people you are going to ultimately harm will be good Catholics who had nothing to do with the abuse and cover up, and the people the church helps through its many social outreach programs. Do 2 wrongs make a right?
The Catholic Church in the United States has instituted a program, Protecting God's Children, raising the awareness of sexual abuse for all. Background checks are required of everyone who works with youth and children, mandatory instruction, and policy that governs all youth activities and participants.
By some of the venemous comments on this blog, one can see there are more than a few people with an ax to grind against the Catholic Church. Some would prefer that the Church would just disappear. Well that is not going to happen.
Extension of the statutes would benefit a small group of people, not the least of which are the laywers, and a group of victims. Get the victims the counseling they need. But the money that would be paid out in punitive damages, would hardly heal the victims and would do great harm to the works of charity done.
The whole focus should be taken away from the church. Individuals who have committed such crimes need to be brought to justice on thier oen merit. I thinnk it is TOTALLY whacked out that the church is not just backing off the whole thing and allowing the law to work.

Since: Mar 07

Alexandria, VA

#38 Apr 7, 2007
Middletown Joe wrote:
Actually, it's the church that is keeping things going. If they only admitted that some of their priests had done less than legal things with children and made attempts not to hide these acts, or worse hide these priests, they wouldn't be where they are now. Instead they not only hid these pedophiles, but moved them to other parishes to offend again!!!
Now they ask victims to sign non-disclosure agreements as well. They indeed have made their own beds here.
Right... Do a little digging and see how many priests from this area vacation in Provincetown, Mass. Do your WICKEPEDIA search on that location. I have WITNESSED this!! By the way --- I'm talking in the summer.
Mac

Sandy Hook, CT

#39 Apr 10, 2007
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>That's the problem, the Church thinks they allow. This is America! And, even if people like you choose to be led blindly which is your right in the greatest country in the world, Americans will not feel bad about using their right to free speech. The Mayflower came here to escape an iron fisted Church and we will never go back to that.
You obviously don't have a clue about the english language.
lousorrrentino

Windsor Locks, CT

#41 Apr 18, 2007
I was a Catholic once, and it happened to me a a kid. Bill 7408, which is technically before the CT legislature, would have allowed victims of childhood sexual assault to see their assailants criminally prosecuted. I was there in Bill 7408 's legislative hearing.
I heard the Catholic Church whining about losing money if this law gets passed. It looks like they
scared the legislature, because Bill 7408 is dead! I remember why I'm not Catholic, thank God.
I've risen above the victimization, and have an established 501c3 non-profit, Walk in the Light Outreach Center, that helps people and businesses.
See my website lousorrentino and hear my song which I was inspired to write by being a 14 year old victim of abuse who wanted to heal.
Hear-"Her Brother's Love" in the Music section of
my name.com
Please, let's join forces, for the common good. Get your legislator to sponsor an amendment to add on another bill. It's not too late; mine already promises to do it, but your legislator asking makes it that much more likely.
Walk in the Light Outreach Center
501c3 non-profit number #06-1330582

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