Lawsuit claims flaws in downtown cond...

Lawsuit claims flaws in downtown condo tower

There are 32 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Jun 7, 2008, titled Lawsuit claims flaws in downtown condo tower. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

An Orange County man who put down more than $100,000 in deposits for two units at The Paramount on Lake Eola condo tower is suing the developer, claiming that the building now nearing completion in downtown ...

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UF ALUM

Longwood, FL

#34 Jun 12, 2008
Smart Thinker wrote:
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We may have disagreed on another blog line, but we certainly agree wholeheartedly here.
Downtown is one big bar. It could be much more, but it has never been, and never will be.
I have lived here for about 20 years, and the only change in Downtown Orlando is the bars are better looking, the skirts are shorter, and the demographic is even less responsible.
Orlando is sort of an anomaly because there really isn’t a downtown district. Orange County in general is more like a connecting chain of suburbs with small commercial/industrial zones mixed in-between. If you look at "downtown" Orlando closely, you will see that it really is only an area about 6 square blocks and it is surrounded entirely by residential neighborhoods. The 40 story buildings in the 6x6 block give the illusion of the downtown lifestyle to all of those 20-something party kids.

I live “downtown” and I barely ever frequent the handful of businesses there.

“a disinherited son of cain”

Since: Apr 08

NoVa

#35 Jun 12, 2008
The bars and clubs here in Orlando are awesome.

You old people just don't party anymore :p

“"Trying to be civil!"”

Since: May 08

Central Florida

#36 Jun 12, 2008
Mattai wrote:
The bars and clubs here in Orlando are awesome.
You old people just don't party anymore :p
First off Mattai, not that old.
I am glad you enjoy the clubs down here, they however are basically warehouses with music. I am a product of the NY Club scene a number of years back, so to me this is not anything at all. The best club in Orlando cannot hold a candle to the excitement of the worst clubs in Manhattan.
It is not about having clubs and partying - you are more than welcome to that. It is about the fact that a real downtown is not only a nightclub district. It is a multifaceted commercial/entertainment/cultu ral/restaurant zone.
Our downtown is club after club, bar after bar, one theatre Sandwiched in, and a few art galleries.
As UF Alum points out, it is not really even a downtown!
Go visit the downtown of other cities around the country - you will be astounded by the life, excitement, and yes - partying - that goes on. Those are downtowns worth living and breathing in.
This downtown is only worth drinking in.

I also have to say, without much insult I hope, that those that make their way into the clubs in downtown Orlando would never make it past the most lenient door guard in NY. And that is based more on attitude than looks (although fashion sense sure is different) Just saying.

“a disinherited son of cain”

Since: Apr 08

NoVa

#37 Jun 12, 2008
Smart Thinker wrote:
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First off Mattai, not that old.
I am glad you enjoy the clubs down here, they however are basically warehouses with music. I am a product of the NY Club scene a number of years back, so to me this is not anything at all. The best club in Orlando cannot hold a candle to the excitement of the worst clubs in Manhattan.
It is not about having clubs and partying - you are more than welcome to that. It is about the fact that a real downtown is not only a nightclub district. It is a multifaceted commercial/entertainment/cultu ral/restaurant zone.
Our downtown is club after club, bar after bar, one theatre Sandwiched in, and a few art galleries.
Not sure why I got such a long response. Well I guess if you wanna argue we can.
I know Orlando isn't a real downtown. I've lived in NYC and DC, so yes, I really do know.
So you're a product of the NY Club scene?
Guess you're a pretty classy person.
I don't like NY clubbers. They act like snobby frenchmen. Once they get drunk its even worse.
downtown resident

AOL

#40 Jun 12, 2008
Money Money wrote:
The entire backbone of the Downtown Orlando economy are bars and clubs catering to the college age demographic.
It is one big drunken party down there - why on earth would anyone want to live near that?
The area of this condo - crowded, packed, not the most attractive.
Why, with nothing to bring them down there, and much to keep them away, would anyone want to live downtown?
Um, i work and live downtown, so I walk to work every day. My weekly gas bill?$10, and that if i drive to the burbs. And I go out and have drinks with friends downtown often. So, walking home drunk hitting a lightpole? Funny. Driving home hitting a light pole? Not funny.

“"Trying to be civil!"”

Since: May 08

Central Florida

#41 Jun 12, 2008
downtown resident wrote:
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Um, i work and live downtown, so I walk to work every day. My weekly gas bill?$10, and that if i drive to the burbs. And I go out and have drinks with friends downtown often. So, walking home drunk hitting a lightpole? Funny. Driving home hitting a light pole? Not funny.
And if that is the cultural atmoshpere you enjoy, then more power to you for living down there! However, the argument that much of the REstate brokers are using is selling the culture of Downtown - there is no culture save MadCow theatre and a few art galleries.
So yes, if your intention is to go downtown and have a few drinks, walk home avoiding a car accident, and walk to work - bravo for you! However, my simple answer in my own life is - I do not get behind the wheel after drinking. Plain and simple. If I go out to have a drink, I have one, and wait an hour. That is just as responsible as walking home!
You have found an area that suits you, and have found very positive way to make it work for you. You are the ideal resident for the area, and I mean that with no sarcasm at all - and yes, in the respect of gas money, you save. I would be curious however what you paid for the condo, pay for in association fees, taxes, etc. The savings in gas might just be balanced out by that.
I live much further out. Do my business in Downtown Orlando though, quite frequently. I spend more like 40 - 50 gas a week. However. I pay very low taxes, own my home, and have no HOA or condo fees.
Figure I pay anywhere around 1500 - 2000 a year in gas total.
Knowing what condo fees are (generally), it is a wash, or a profit off of that.
But I am very biased - I do not like the idea of condo living at all, so that should be stated.

“"Trying to be civil!"”

Since: May 08

Central Florida

#42 Jun 12, 2008
Mattai wrote:
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Not sure why I got such a long response. Well I guess if you wanna argue we can.
I know Orlando isn't a real downtown. I've lived in NYC and DC, so yes, I really do know.
So you're a product of the NY Club scene?
Guess you're a pretty classy person.
I don't like NY clubbers. They act like snobby frenchmen. Once they get drunk its even worse.
Thank you, but no. Not like snobby frenchman.
The clubs in downtown are geared towards college students in Florida. I drive by or walk through and see girls in outfits that are not so much slutty as completely unattractive, ogled by guys wearing clothes seen in most hallways at most highschool in the area.
If you think that not enjoying a meat market makes me snobby, or watching people fall all over themselves drunk, then our definition of snobby is not the same.
That is really all I have to say on the topic.
downtown resident

Longwood, FL

#43 Jun 13, 2008
downtown resident wrote:
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Um, i work and live downtown, so I walk to work every day. My weekly gas bill?$10, and that if i drive to the burbs. And I go out and have drinks with friends downtown often. So, walking home drunk hitting a lightpole? Funny. Driving home hitting a light pole? Not funny.
Good, that means you won't be taking the 408 back to UCF after a night of binge drinking and putting everyone on the road in danger.

Bad, because some people pay a lot of money to liv ein houses in that area and have to listen to your drunken shouting and carrying-on while you walk home.

I found it funny when the condo boom started and these developers were pushing the "dowtown" lifestyle. Walk here, there, whatever. It didn't happen, just like everyone with a brain predicted.

Now these fancy condos are basically a dorm for the 20-somethings.

And most people won't walk very far... not in this Florida heat.
downtown resident

Longwood, FL

#44 Jun 13, 2008
http://www.thephatphree.com/features.asp...

The typical young professional in downtown Orlando... funny read...

“"Trying to be civil!"”

Since: May 08

Central Florida

#46 Jun 14, 2008
downtown resident wrote:
http://www.thephatphree.com/fe atures.asp?StoryID=1185&Se ctionID=11
The typical young professional in downtown Orlando... funny read...
I have to admit I only scanned the article,..but it rings so true to what I see on the streets down there! True, and pathetically sad.

It is like studying some strange lost tribe with frames of reference so different from our own.
JT ORLANDO

United States

#47 Jun 23, 2008
After reading all the comments that downtown turns into a drunken porn fest when the sun goes down, I wondered if I should move? Goldenrod area? I speak english, so thats out of the question. Waterford Lakes? Kids, crime & break-ins, we wouldn't be safe. Deltona? Give me a break. I wouldn't live anywhere else but on Lake Eola. And by the way, did I mention that I shop, dine and yes go clubbing all without having to drive my car. Gas is what a gallon? I have an idea for the winers - try the everglades. I hear its very quiet there.
Nina

United States

#48 Aug 21, 2009
You guys do not know what you're talking about! I wanted to purchase a unit in the Paramount for a relative. Unfortunately, I found out about the major structural defect about a year after the repair through the mass media. It was Paramount's developer's responsibility to inform all of the buyers of this adverse change ( according to contract law). In no way did they try to inform us. On the other hand, they tried to hide this 20 million dollar repair. How do I know whether the repair has been properly repaired or whether other defects are present. I doubt whether the Paramount developers will inform us. Would you want to buy a defective building to house a close , loved relative. Also, the Paramount has cut down the sizes of the units, pool area, fitness room etc. down considerably. I lost 5 square root ( a closet) in my small 1 bedroom unit. Also, in the 2008 booklet, Paramount made hundreds of new changes which we were not informed of ahead of time and now we're stuck with them. The worst one is that now they want us to pay additional charges such as the sewer, electricl and other charges. Believe me, the Paramount is trying to screw the buyers not vice versa. If they did all these things to you, you would not be happy about all this. If the majority of the people want out, it's not only due to a change in the market. Even if the market was doing well, they should not be allowed to get away with what they're trying to do. The Paramount is abusing all of the consumers. The state of Florida should be protecting the indivdual consiumers. Florida should be protecting our rights especially if Paramount first broke the contract.

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