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YMCA is ousted from kids' program -- OrlandoSentinel.com

There are 101 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Jul 8, 2007, titled YMCA is ousted from kids' program -- OrlandoSentinel.com. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Orange County officials are upset with area YMCAs for not expanding a program for low- and moderate-income children to the nonprofit's facilities in more affluent communities such as Winter Park, Dr.

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social insanity

Coppell, TX

#1 Jul 8, 2007
Once again, the "big daddy" government gets involved and wants to dictate EVERYTHING!!! Instead of just appreciating the cooperation it gets from the PRIVATE sector, it craves absolute CONTROL !!! Keep your money and your vouchers !!!
skyla2551

Orlando, FL

#2 Jul 8, 2007
The YMCA is no longer an organization that serves the public, But an organization that serves themselves. Just a few years ago the YMCA asked Orange County Government to help them secure the bonds to build new facilities. And Orange County did so. The Club is a joke , Our Son belonged to the club for one year. It appeared to us that it was corporate welfare for organizations like the Magic, Wet and Wild, and other for profit organizations.
Welcome to the OC

United States

#3 Jul 8, 2007
social insanity wrote:
Once again, the "big daddy" government gets involved and wants to dictate EVERYTHING!!! Instead of just appreciating the cooperation it gets from the PRIVATE sector, it craves absolute CONTROL !!! Keep your money and your vouchers !!!
The YMCA is no longer a privatized - they ask for public assistance money on a regular basis from local, state and federal dollars. Once you get tax payer dollars, you are entitled to scrutiny.
The YMCA (Young Men's Christian Association) is and should be held to a higher standard. The Y was created to help people without money and no connections, yet their actions are 100% different in the story.
Shame on the Y.
I know

Leesburg, FL

#4 Jul 8, 2007
If the money is provided by the county then they should have a say in how it's distributed. The Y should do just what they're doing and not accept it if they don't agree. I can see both sides. The county doesn't want to appear to be partial to areas since almost all of this money is coming from taxes which is mostly paid by the higher income families. But the Y thinks the money should be spent where it's needed the most and that's the low income areas.

There are families in higher income areas that are having problems and it's not just that they bought "over their heads". Someone could have lost their job or had serious medical problems that set the families back financially. I'm sure you could come up with a lot of reasons on your own. Likewise, I don't think all families in lower income areas are in need of assistance.

We live in a pretty good area but it's not really high income. Yet there are a small number of kids at our local school who are on meal assistance and there are a number at the closest day care center who get financial help.

So why don't they compromise? Why don't they agree or negotiate that a certain percentage will be given to all areas? That way the ones who really need it, even if they're in affluent neighborhoods would receive some assistance and not all of it go to just some areas?

It can be done. It just can't be done with stubborn people doing the negotiations.
member

Palm Bay, FL

#5 Jul 8, 2007
Why is the county handing out this type of welfare AT ALL is the real question.
Captain Jack

Orlando, FL

#6 Jul 8, 2007
skyla2551 wrote:
The YMCA is no longer an organization that serves the public, But an organization that serves themselves. Just a few years ago the YMCA asked Orange County Government to help them secure the bonds to build new facilities. And Orange County did so. The Club is a joke , Our Son belonged to the club for one year. It appeared to us that it was corporate welfare for organizations like the Magic, Wet and Wild, and other for profit organizations.
The YMCA is a PRIVATE business, which provides a service for a wide range of clients for a FEE just like any other business. It has always elicited contributions from its membership to allow poorer children to attend programs there as long as I can remember. It has a perfect right to and in fact a responsibility to assign kids to whichever facilities it wishes to just as you or anyone else have a perfect right to decide when you invite guests into your home to assign them the bedroom, the bath, set meal hours and even the menu and to decide where you are going to take the guests for entertainment.

Many of the YMCA's facilities are already regularly filled with adults paying full fare. Parking at these facilities is difficult on most any day or night. Equipment and exercise rooms are already scheduled tightly. You cannot introduce large groups of kids into these places without disturbing the adult clients and risk losing their participation.
These people have been supporting "Y" members for years and provide the core of its existance and they are not going to put up with the building being overrun with hoards of kids underfoot, dashing about and yelling and talking noisly, occupying the restrooms, hopping on exeercise machines etc.

If Orange County is so damned determined to provide a summer program for low and moderate income children and now they want to demand to dictate where and how the YMCA attempts to accomodate these kids I think the obvious answer is for them to consider not throwing the billions into froo froo Performing Arts Centers, new Arenas, new Citrus Bowl, Commuter Rail, etc. for the real elitists THEMSELVES and build their own damned Club facilities. Orange County should give the YMCA a huge apology and learn one thing -- when someone does you a favor, learn not to criticize it and the people who tried to help you out by turning over part of their facilities for charitable purposes.

Continue cutting off your nose to spite your face Orange County. Kick great charitable organizations like the YMCA and remember the thousands of us who belong and support the YMCA and know what it has done for the community for decades before you were a tadpole will remember and vote every damned one of you out in the coming election. We're already sick and tired of the double standards of your politics anyway and this is just another example of your shortsighted and misplaced prirorities.
Jennifer

Palm Coast, FL

#7 Jul 8, 2007
The Y is an elitist organization. They negotiated with Seminole County to get a prime location in Longwood and then limit access to the school swim teams, the same folks on whose behalf they said they would support. Also, the single membership subsidizes the family memberships, the memberships are at least twice level of other gyms in the area and the clubs are staffed with your standard immature 17 year old. Under no circumstances should any more government money go to subsidize this sham of a Christian organization.
no entitlement

Titusville, FL

#8 Jul 8, 2007
why is it people feel entitled to receive help? Doesn't it make sense that the lower income neighborhoods would need more vouchers? Every YMCA already has scholarship programs in place to help those in need...but I agree with "social insanity" this is just big government wanting more control! I love the City Officials comment about offering high end programs in the lower income neighborhoods to boost membership at the Y'S. Did it ever occur to the city it takes money to run programs and buy equip. and that lower income families don't have that money. Life isn't free---there is a cost. When we get help awesome! When we don't, we do without and find a way to succeed regardless. That's what makes America great. it's about opportunity, not guarantees.
Harriet Hawk

Orlando, FL

#9 Jul 8, 2007
I've kept other people's kids so their mother could work. I've changed them, fed them, provided them with a place to nap, walked them down to play in the park, taken them on little outings etc. I was paid a weekly amount for my help which really didn't equal anywhere near the amount of time and work I put into it. I decided what parts of my house I provided for this, I set the rules, the days, the hours, and all details of my service. Everyone who has ever agreed to do this does that. The YMCA is perfectly within its right to do that. Get off of the high horse Orange Couoty and be thankful that the YMCA has done what it has done. If, as the previous person commented you feel more facilities are needed in certain areas, don't try to dictate to the people helping you out how they should help you but help yourself instead. Take some of that money you are holding for these un-needed entertainment venues nobody really wants but the true elitists you accused the YMCA of being and build some facilities for these kids you claim you are so much for. I don't know what this world is coming to when we have our local government attacking Boy Scouts and now the YMCA -- The two greatest organizations America has for helping and sponsoring youth activities and teaching Christian and moral values and family traditions. It is disgusting. I'm tired of the tail always demanding to wag the dog.
Bud

United States

#10 Jul 8, 2007
Captain Jack wrote:
<quoted text>
The YMCA is a PRIVATE business, which provides a service for a wide range of clients for a FEE just like any other business. It has always elicited contributions from its membership to allow poorer children to attend programs there as long as I can remember. It has a perfect right to and in fact a responsibility to assign kids to whichever facilities it wishes to just as you or anyone else have a perfect right to decide when you invite guests into your home to assign them the bedroom, the bath, set meal hours and even the menu and to decide where you are going to take the guests for entertainment.
Many of the YMCA's facilities are already regularly filled with adults paying full fare. Parking at these facilities is difficult on most any day or night. Equipment and exercise rooms are already scheduled tightly. You cannot introduce large groups of kids into these places without disturbing the adult clients and risk losing their participation.
These people have been supporting "Y" members for years and provide the core of its existance and they are not going to put up with the building being overrun with hoards of kids underfoot, dashing about and yelling and talking noisly, occupying the restrooms, hopping on exeercise machines etc.
If Orange County is so damned determined to provide a summer program for low and moderate income children and now they want to demand to dictate where and how the YMCA attempts to accomodate these kids I think the obvious answer is for them to consider not throwing the billions into froo froo Performing Arts Centers, new Arenas, new Citrus Bowl, Commuter Rail, etc. for the real elitists THEMSELVES and build their own damned Club facilities. Orange County should give the YMCA a huge apology and learn one thing -- when someone does you a favor, learn not to criticize it and the people who tried to help you out by turning over part of their facilities for charitable purposes.
Continue cutting off your nose to spite your face Orange County. Kick great charitable organizations like the YMCA and remember the thousands of us who belong and support the YMCA and know what it has done for the community for decades before you were a tadpole will remember and vote every damned one of you out in the coming election. We're already sick and tired of the double standards of your politics anyway and this is just another example of your shortsighted and misplaced prirorities.
I think this post pretty well sums up to situation with Orange Counties Big Bureaucratic Goverment!!!
Debbie

Satellite Beach, FL

#11 Jul 8, 2007
member wrote:
Why is the county handing out this type of welfare AT ALL is the real question.
My thoughts exactly. Programs like this are part of the reason taxes are outrageous.
Roger Rabbit

Orlando, FL

#12 Jul 8, 2007
Jennifer wrote:
The Y is an elitist organization. They negotiated with Seminole County to get a prime location in Longwood and then limit access to the school swim teams, the same folks on whose behalf they said they would support. Also, the single membership subsidizes the family memberships, the memberships are at least twice level of other gyms in the area and the clubs are staffed with your standard immature 17 year old. Under no circumstances should any more government money go to subsidize this sham of a Christian organization.
The YMCA serves a broad spectrum of the community besides poor children and poor families. It does NOT depend solely upon government contributions. It could not survive without memberships and donations from its paying families. One of the biggest problems one runs into is that when governmente contributes anything to a concern they begin to dictate terms and conditions to that concern which the affeced concern knows will adversely affect its core responsibilities. If the YMCA is now going to come under attack for trying to accomodate these kids the best it can, maybe it is best just to tell the County that it will be best for them to build their own facilities and then they can run them anyway they want. If you think you didn't care for how the "Y" did their center or staffed it, you just wait till the County tries to do one. A camel is a race horse designed by the govenment. As far as a 17 year old lifeguard goes, I worked as a life guard during high school and I could scoop out any adult or child from that pool as good as any adult and was fully trained and certified by the Red Cross as a life saver. I currently have a grandson doing the same type of part time job and he likewise is able and trained fore his job. The biggest gripe I always had was mother's dumping their little brats at my pool for babysitting and expecting to drive off and leave them unsupervised. Pools aren't nurseries or day care.
Dipsticks

Orlando, FL

#13 Jul 8, 2007
Yeah people, helping poor inner city kids is why your taxes are so high.
Carrollee

Orlando, FL

#14 Jul 8, 2007
Welcome to the OC wrote:
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The YMCA is no longer a privatized - they ask for public assistance money on a regular basis from local, state and federal dollars. Once you get tax payer dollars, you are entitled to scrutiny.
The YMCA (Young Men's Christian Association) is and should be held to a higher standard. The Y was created to help people without money and no connections, yet their actions are 100% different in the story.
Shame on the Y.
The only mistake the YMCA has made was to agree to take money from any governmente source. They should have known that doing so was going to mean that now, just as with so many other agencies who have mae that same tragic mistake, they were going to be turning over control of their entire organization under threat of losting the money if they didn't do every single thing exactly the way the government demanded. I hope the YMCA learns a lesson here and goes back to purely private support and takes back its control over things. The YMCA has been and will continue to be a great asset to the community but it cannot and will not survive if it lets Orange County or the Federal govenment or City government tell it what it is and isn't going to do, when to jump and how high to jump at any moment. Great example of giving an inch and having someone taking a mile.
Candy S

AOL

#15 Jul 8, 2007
I've been told if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck, no matter what you want to call it. This quacks of elitism. The Y should not be included on any program that the City is promoting as long as they continue to have this attitude. Maybe they need to look at their name and change it since they no longer adhere to the values and ideals upon which the organization was founded.
brian g

Lakeland, FL

#16 Jul 8, 2007
ymca shows its racist colors. appalling. i am now leaving the group.
shame on the y

Cocoa, FL

#18 Jul 8, 2007
I have a family member who has worked for the "Y" for almost 25 years. She now has to fight for raises and fight for days off. The turn over rate there is appalling, but she is still there. This latest problem (plus the one with the Y in the Sarasota area working with DCF) only decreases the overall moral within the "Y" and the members as well. The "Y" is supposed to be assisting families and the communities. I do not believe that families feel entitled to be helped, but I believe that the Y was established to do just that. One other thing I do believe: If donations are down for scholarships and such, how about the CEO/President of this so-called non profit organization take a pay cut of his thousands and assist the community and the people in it himself. That would surely boost moral and esteem in the workers, the members and the community itself.
Lex

Dallas, TX

#19 Jul 8, 2007
From my own personal experiences, the YMCA claiming to be a non-profit corporation is a joke. If you need confirmation ask one of their employees, and I am not talking about the branch managers. They are about the bottom line just as any other business if not more so. They don't seem to care much about helping the community.
Lex

Dallas, TX

#21 Jul 8, 2007
member wrote:
Why is the county handing out this type of welfare AT ALL is the real question.
do poor kids not deserve to do something fun? it's not their fault they are poor, should they be punished for the status of their birth?
Dave

Winter Haven, FL

#22 Jul 8, 2007
I am disgusted with anyone or organization that could refer to the YMCA as only serving the elite. I have been a member for years and have personally witnessed many acts of kindness in the form of scholorship for those who can not afford to be a member or pay the dues for a sports season.

The YMCA is not set up to babysit, but to be a warm environment for the entire family.

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