Youth football has a problem.

Youth football has a problem.

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Football MVP

El Segundo, CA

#1 Sep 13, 2008
First it is a nice that civitan supports the youth. But I think the program is doing more damage to the football program than it is helping. The 3rd and 4th graders do not need to be playing with 5th and 6th grade. I have seen them get hurt and a whole lot of them quit and may never play again. 6 days a week of football is way to much for this age group. The high school doesnít even have this schedule. It seems this affects the middle schools and high school programs. For a high school to have only 60 players for a 6A school is not good turn out. Maybe the high school coach needs to be more involved with the youth and middle schools? And cut out all the politics.
a-mom

Winchester, KY

#2 Sep 15, 2008
I do agree and all the yelling at the kids is bad and the little ones get overlooked.
hahahahaha

Danville, KY

#3 Sep 15, 2008
First learn what football is all about. Reserch how many players are on any other 6A teams in the state. If you do come back and say that you are sorry to CIVITAN who is providing this to your child for FREEEEEEE!!!!! While you're at it check into any other youth football programs and see how many of those are free. Quit complaining and be greatful that there are people so giving of their time that they are willing to spend 4-5-6 days a week providing instruction on something that will teach disapline, physical health, and motivation to you child. And did I mention their pay FREEEEEEE! Common there are a lot more things to complain if that is what you really feel you need to do. Quit taking something possitive for the community and you child and giving your negative imput. By the way Civitan I would say is looking for some people to join and work if you need some other way to expend your energy.
mother in winchester

Winchester, KY

#4 Sep 16, 2008
Let me tell you we have played elsewhere and all the negative screaming and yelling is not needed to make a good ball player i myself have witnessed several boys quit this year of different teams because of the negativity and because of them getting hurt. I do think the parents need to be more positive and try not to criticize. Those men are volunteering their time and we know that 6 days a week of football is a little much and my child absolutly loves football but i know for some they cant handle everynight and all the screaming. Like i said before we have played elsewhere and dominated on the field and never got screamed at and never played 6 days a week.
As far as the free thing i think Civitan more than makes their money back by not charging the players to play and charging the parents and grandparents to come watch the games have you ever noticed the amount of people out there being charged do the math.
I do think the high school coaches need to be involved in this program.
Look at some of the surrounding areas and some of the most successful programs not just football are because the high school coaches were involved in the youth.
i THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE CHILDREN!!!!!!
And a big thank you to all the dads who come out to volunteer time with them.

Since: Sep 08

Winchester, Kentucky

#5 Sep 16, 2008
I was there sunday with my son.....he loves playing football. I didnt see my son get screamed at, but while I was there waiting for his game to start, I did see others getting screamed at. They are kids......
In order to have my family come and watch, it was 10 or 11$...not completely sure plus we ate and drank there too......it did all add up. I'm not sure how other families who are less fortunate do it! Also, for the opening we almost got charged for that...and I had to let the cashier know, "hey, we are just here for opening and we will be back in a few hours for my sons actual game then!" So, I wasn't charged twice ;)
~ just my 2 cents!~
Football MVP

Winchester, KY

#6 Sep 16, 2008
This is directed to HAHAHA
I think you need to research 6A football programs the number of players on teams in the same district not including freshman are :
Scott 91
Shelby71
Madison central 86
And as fare as being free it is obvious if you want to see your child play it will be more than a fifty dollar fee the fee other places charge. I think you need to do the math as Mother in Winchester explained. So let me put it in easier terms, as in our family:
Dad 3 GrandPa 3
Mom 3 Grand Ma + 3
Daughter 1

So $13 per game times 21 games =$273 per family not to mention concession so donít give me the FREE line because I can do math. So $273 dollars or $50
Also you can get grants from American Youth Football, and by the way read there rules and age groups.
It is clear you are apart of civtan .
BUT THE MAIN POINT IS IT IS RUNNING OFF A LOT OF KIDS BECAUSE THE WAY IT IS RUN. OUR TEAM HAS LOST TEN OR ELEVEN KIDS OFF THE TEAM. THAT MAY NEVER PLAY AGAIN. WHICH EQUALS 60 PLAYERS ON THE HIGH SCHOOL TEAM. THE HIGHSCHOOL COACH NEEDS TO CONTROL THE LEAGUE. LET THE HIGHSCHOOL GET THE $273 DALLARS OF FREE MONEY FROM ME AND MAYBE HAVE 90 PLAYERS ON THE TEAM. ENOUGH SAID
Football Dad

Winchester, KY

#7 Sep 16, 2008
I did do the research on the number on other teams form the Kentucky high school athletic association

ROSTER FROM KHSAA 2007 STATE CHAMIONSHIP GAMES

6A STATE FINALS
TRINITY
XAVIER
100 PLAYER ON EACH TEAM

5A STATE FINALS
BOWLING GREEN
HIGHLANDS
100 PLAYERS

4A STATE FINALS
LEXINGTON CATHOLIC
LOAD OAK
100 PLAYER

3A STATE FINALS
BELFRY 63 PLAYERS
CENTRAL77 PLAYERS

2A STATE FINALS
NEWPORT CATHLIC 85 PLAYERS
FORT CAMPBELL 61 PLAYERS

1A STATE FINALS
LEX CHRISTIAN 43 PLAYERS
BEACHWOOD 43 PLAYERS

SO WHERE DO YOU WANT TO BE IN THE DISTRICT
2 cents

United States

#8 Sep 19, 2008
Montgomery Co has a Jr pro program for the youth there. They start with kindergarten kids and go to the 6th grade. 3rd and 4th are together and then 5th and 6th. They practice 2 days a week and games are every weekend. Whoever signs up plays and they have 4 or 5 different teams for each grade. They have a pretty neat program and the cost is I think 65 dollars. My nephew plays and loves it.
nickel and dime

United States

#9 Sep 25, 2008
great league for the kids
crazy one

El Segundo, CA

#10 Sep 26, 2008
With all the ages all together it is no wounder they get hurt and quit. I agree with MVP.
nickel and dime must know nothing about football or knows
hahaha
because if they looked at other kids programs they would see the problems.
football mom

Clarksville, TN

#11 Sep 27, 2008
I have 2 kids that play Civitan football. I ahveto say the team I am one there is a ittle yelling on occasion but for the most part things are quiet. The kdis love palying football and hanging out with their friends and practice. We don't attend practice on wed because we have church.

The money for admission usually goes to replae equipment that never gets turned back in. I think there are bigger issues that need to be dealt with concerning our young people that need our focus not coaches yelling and paying 3 dollars for admission to a football game. I have heard some of the coaches yell a little much but no more than I have heard from football coaches of older kids.
Sports Lady

United States

#12 Sep 27, 2008
My son who is a juniot in college on a baseball scholarship has played every sport but soccer.
He of course plays baseball, he has played since he was 6. He also played football from middle school thru 12th. If you think they yell in civitan, wait till they hit high school.......but
as my son explained to me when I attended a practice and heard the screaming from the coaches
" It's called discipline Mom, I can deal with it"
Sports Lady

United States

#13 Sep 27, 2008
Sorry, he is a Junior not a juniot..LOL
Martimus Maximus

Nicholasville, KY

#14 Sep 27, 2008
Discipline is fine if you can emotionally handle it, but 3-6th graders? C'mon, get real.

If a youth team has a "coach", that person's job is to teach the sport. Same thing as a math teacher or a music teacher or whatever. Does your children's teacher yell at them if they get an answer wrong?

There is NO excuse for adults to be yelling at children. It actually can be construed (taken as) verbal abuse. It does NOT encourage a kid. It is disheartening (upsetting) to them.

Positive reenforcement is how anything should be taught when you're younger than a teen.

It seems to me that if a parent/adult is okay with their child being yelled at, it simply must be because that same parent/adult yells at their own children. They're not dogs. They're (little) people.

Respect them!
football mom

United States

#15 Sep 28, 2008
For anyone interested games start today at 1pm. the field is behind Central school on Mt Sterling Rd. Admission is $3 for adults and $1 for students. Come out watch the games and make a more informed decision. You can't watch just one game you should watch them all. Not all the coaches yell.
Martimus Maximus

Nicholasville, KY

#16 Sep 28, 2008
I can't support ANY program dealing with kids that would allow ANY coaches to yell at the players/STUDENTS.

You shouldn't either.
football mom

United States

#17 Sep 28, 2008
the coaches sometimesa have to yell to be heard over al the other noise and I have an rare occasion heard soem get a little out of hand and the were reprimanded and then things were fine after that.
Football MVP

Winchester, KY

#18 Sep 28, 2008
Hello!!!!!!!!!!
Look back at what I said at the first. It is a bigger problem than some of the coaches yelling. That is one problem. The biggest issue is that civitan is running the league and the high school coach isnt. If he was it would be more controlled and less kids quitting. The point is if the county is ever going to compete in 6A and the district they need to start with the young kids then they have a chance to win the district or the state.If you where at the last game you would see Madison Central had double the kids. And I am sure now that we are in the district you may see my point. Look at last year. Next year we wont have the states leading rusher. So it doesnít look good then. We need a head coach that will do what it takes to be a force in 6A football.
So cut out all the politics. We need to get rid of Civitan
Martimus Maximus

Nicholasville, KY

#19 Sep 28, 2008
Football MVP wrote:
Hello!!!!!!!!!!
Look back at what I said at the first. It is a bigger problem than some of the coaches yelling. That is one problem. The biggest issue is that civitan is running the league and the high school coach isnt. If he was it would be more controlled and less kids quitting. The point is if the county is ever going to compete in 6A and the district they need to start with the young kids then they have a chance to win the district or the state.If you where at the last game you would see Madison Central had double the kids. And I am sure now that we are in the district you may see my point. Look at last year. Next year we wont have the states leading rusher. So it doesnít look good then. We need a head coach that will do what it takes to be a force in 6A football.
So cut out all the politics. We need to get rid of Civitan
I have some questions regarding the statements above. I will NOT be sarcastic. I truly want to be informed.

Doesn't the GRC football coach have his hands full with that (the high school) football program? If the coach (whomever he is) DOES "take over" the youth football, will he get paid more and if so, by whom? Is that a line item in the county or school board budget? I'm thinking not.

Does this GRC football coach have the time or the charisma to create a never-ending supply of future football players?

Dare I ask...is it rerally that important?

Does being designated "6A" have to do with the size of the district? The high school student body? What? Can someone educate me?

It sounds to me like this Civitan program is not a healthy building block for the little ones, as there (according to this blog) are many parents and "coaches" who seem to be okay with mistreating the kids at such a young age. Would that be okay if the GRC coach (again, I don't know anything about him) yelled at the kids because he is, after all, the GRC coach?
Football MVP

Winchester, KY

#20 Sep 28, 2008
Martimus Maximus wrote:
<quoted text>
I have some questions regarding the statements above. I will NOT be sarcastic. I truly want to be informed.
Doesn't the GRC football coach have his hands full with that (the high school) football program? If the coach (whomever he is) DOES "take over" the youth football, will he get paid more and if so, by whom? Is that a line item in the county or school board budget? I'm thinking not.
Does this GRC football coach have the time or the charisma to create a never-ending supply of future football players?
Dare I ask...is it rerally that important?
Does being designated "6A" have to do with the size of the district? The high school student body? What? Can someone educate me?
It sounds to me like this Civitan program is not a healthy building block for the little ones, as there (according to this blog) are many parents and "coaches" who seem to be okay with mistreating the kids at such a young age. Would that be okay if the GRC coach (again, I don't know anything about him) yelled at the kids because he is, after all, the GRC coach?
Ok I will give you my point of view on Your questions.

First 6A is the size of the student body . The district is the other teams they have to beat to get to the state. It is broke up from 1A to 6A . 6A is the biggest.

The GRC coach is paid to coach and win football games and it should be his goal to win the state championship. The only way an athletic program can do this, is to have a program that develops players not runs them off before they get to middle school of have the middle schools play politics instead of football.

As far as important. It is the only way that some kids get though college as in my case.
Some kids will never have any discipline in there life other than sports. It also brings big money for the high school and the community. Like the new school they want to build could benefit if they where to have a dominating team in the core sports.

As far as the GRC coach it really should be his program that they are being taught from the early ages. He should be delegating his staff with his oversight. If he wins the games his budget and pay will increase. The high school kids where even involved in the school we came from. And they are a dominating force.

Did I leave anything out.

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