White people not caring is the problem. No wonder 78% of Kentuckians don't vote. Cuz you apathetic and complacent. Kentucky's going down hard, and I'm laughing at you white people the whole time ! Great Recession you got there ! Great Empire ! How's that workin out fur ya ? How about that poverty ? Got lots of it, eh ? Any teeth left ? Barefoot ? Trailer park kids with no diapers, with methed out faces ? Great legacy white people. The Indians were peaceful to each other, till the white man gave them guns, and showed them how to murder and kill and to spill as much Indian blood as possible, since that's what Daniel Boone was so good at. Also, Daniel Boone pledged allegiance with the British during the Revolutionary War... twice. There's a great turncoat of a heroic icon fur ya.No one cares
Most of us palefaces got Indian blood in is anyway
So we are the Indians now
Wa wa wa wa wa wa wa wa waaaaaa
Jumps over camp fire naked*
#21 Feb 2, 2012
#22 Feb 2, 2012
I just googled Eskippakithiki and read as much as I could about it... the main book, "Eskippakithiki" by Lucian Beckner is the book I read to start me off, to blast all the lies, and the lying liars who perpetuate them.
#23 Feb 2, 2012
He is speaking a lot of truth, and I agree with him and I am white man. When we cleared land in the Oil Springs area and tilled the ground we found many artifacts that gave proof of the indian heritage there. Most everything we found we donated to either UK or EKU for their studies. We have always been a spiritual kind of family respected the land and gave back to it when we could. We planted probably 2 to 3 trees for every tree we removed to build our home. Made good use of the land and respected it. My dad was always a firm believer in that.
#24 Feb 2, 2012
Wow, you're a living artifact my man. I really just putting it out there as a theory, it does make more sense to me that white people wiped 'em out, then them just leaving... I mean, it was a fertile ground, with lots of game and wildlife and waterways... I just don't see the Shawnee up and leaving, though I'm not sure how it happened.
John Finley came in 1750ish, and then later on, John Findley and Daniel Boone came back in 1769ish. So there's about 20 years difference there. Also, there was a band of Indians and white military folks who captured John Finley, or at least his men, while he ran away to Pennsylvania. Or did he ?
I don't know. Did John Finley kill all of the Shawnee in Eskippakithiki, or did that band of men who killed several of his men do it ? Who knows. I guess we'll never really find out, though I'd like to, and I think there can be a way to figure it out. But to assume it was just a happy hunting ground, makes little sense. They had burial mounds. Burial mounds! With stacks and rows of bodies... you can't establish burial mounds without having permanent settlements. I can see, however, the white men who came afterwards, pretending like it was just a hunting ground, and that all land that was taken, was paid for (nee Jackson's Purchase). That would make it easier for their consciences.
But I'd like to know what actually happened, and I think from the evidence, there's plenty of it, about the Shawnees who attacked the white settlers, and kept on attacking them. Cherokee Dragging Canoe never agreed with the Treaty of Sycamore Shoals, so he went around defending Kentucky also. He's the one who coined the phrase "Dark and Bloody Ground".
I also read that when Finley and Boone came back, they found it burnt down to the ground. So did the Shawnee Indians (the Chaouanons) burn their own village ? That makes little sense also. It does make sense that some warring white man, French, Spanish, or English, came across them, and killed them all, and stole all of their things. That makes more sense. Kentucky was not unoccupied. It was very much occupied, and like the colonialists did on the Eastern seaside, they did here in Kentucky also. While most died of disease, there were lots of Indian-killers, who were proud of that distinction, that blazed through Kentucky. George Rogers Clark is one of them. He killed Indians. Kentucky was not just a happy hunting ground. They didn't own cars back then. I wouldn't even drive my car to go hunting in Indiana, if that was a "hunting ground" for whites, let alone if I lived in the dayz when all my travels were on foot... there was buffalo, elk, and deer, and lots of wilderness, and berries, and trees, and streams and creeks... no, if I was Chaouanon Shawnee, and I lived at Eskippakithiki, I would have not left on my own accord, and upon leaving, I wouldn't set my own camp on fire, especially if I was leaving on my own free will.
#25 Feb 2, 2012
Dude I'm rich, no debt, all my teeth, no kids, awesome career, you should follow the trail of tears back to Oklahoma with all that whinny complaining, most of the inhabitants of the state of Kentucky white or black can trace native American ancestry, go get some counseling and quit blaming people for your short comings in life or write a book or something.
#26 Feb 2, 2012
Indians fought each other !!!
They had tribal wars against each other
If the native Americans woulda actually united Like tecumseh wanted them 2 they woulda had better odds of surviving against the whites.
But the past is the past can't change it can't rearrange it so there it is!!
Also they shoulda laid off the alcohol cause that was their downfall and still is.
Man I always liked Indians until you came along what a nit Witt u give Indians a bad name.
#27 Feb 2, 2012
White racists make all white people look ignorant, and retarded. We need more Simon Girty's, and less Christians. It was the so-called "Christians" who killed more Indians than all the rest... yeah, that's what Jesus said... love everybody, except people with different skin colors. How stupid. Grow up. Judge a man by their character, not the color of their skin.
But then again, what books have you EVER read ? For a BIGOT to think on their own... bigots need to be purged out of the European immigrants in AmeriKKKa. That's where the hatred begins, and then that big ball of hatred just keeps on rolling. Great legacy you're promotin there "Jakey", but surely that's not your real name. That's embarrassing. You should jump off a bridge with a name like that. What a child! What a baby! Keep on being anonymous BIGOT, because like your forefathers, you cowards keep on your KKK hoods, and you murdered lots of Indians, and lots more crimes for which you will pay for whitey. 9/11 happened because of BIGOTS like you. Religious fundamentalists did 9/11, and they genocided entire nations of peoples. What blue-eyed DEVILS! What Hitler wannabes ! Oooo I hates me wyte racists... Kentucky has maybe 2 black families left, and for a white person to be a racist bigot, just shows to me how cowardly, and ignorant, and jealous you are, from a minority ! Grow up ! Get some ballz ! Stand up to the white men who run you're life, cuz you no u a wyte man beotch.
#28 Feb 2, 2012
The story about Eskippatithiki is a story that any person who believes in justice, and life, and honor, should never forget.
Hey Jakey, while don't you tell us how much you love lynching, and other violence against poor black folks ? Tell us how satisfied you are with the rape and murder of Indian men, women, and children.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not crying. I'm merely pointing on your sins to your face, whitey. You've murdered children. You're evil. You're the Devil. You need to be purged off the face of this Earth.
#29 Feb 2, 2012
I've heard all of these arguments before, except talking about black folks. Wyte people been murdering wytes for years. Look at World War 1, World War 2, and the Civil War. Also look at Bradley Manning, and Charles Sumner. Also look at Charlie Manson, also a native of Kentucky, just like the Shawnee Indian. Look at Casey Anthony. Unibomber. All white people. Great legacy white people, keep on hating on minorities, and your own Empire dies for good. Great work... NOT!
#30 Feb 2, 2012
The Lower Shawnee Town was formed on the Ohio River, in the same spot that Christopher Gist built his cabins. Where ? Ask Jakey, I'm sure he'd know. Not. Bigot don't know crap about anything, including themselves.
The French Census of 1736 had listed Eskippa-kithiki as "Chaouanons, towards Carolina, two hundred men", and 200 men implies heads of households, so there would have been about 800 to 1000 Native Americans, men, women, children, with souls, and heartbeats.
A Seneca Chief was killed, and that caused the Catawba Siege.
#31 Feb 2, 2012
On page 4 of Franklin's "Ohio Settlement", published in London in 1772, is the following: "In the year 1752, the Six Nations, Shawnees, and Delawares had a large town on Kentucky River." (Beckner 1932:371).
Eskippa-Kithiki was then "the metropolis of Kentucky, of Shawnee Kentucky, of Canadian Kentucky, of Iroquoian Kentucky, when all Kentuckians did homage to Louis, the Grand Monarque of France, serenely oblivious, in the distractions of his pleasure-seeking court, of the huddle of dusky savages who, in the deep forests of the New World, were achieving life and security under the psychologic influence of his potent name." (Beckner 1932: 365).
On January 28, 1753, there came along the Warrior's Trace a party of seventy CHRISTIAN Conewago and Ottawa Indians, a white French Canadian, and a white renegade Dutchman named Philip Philips, all from the St. Lawrence River, upon a scalping hunting expedition against the Southern Indians. Twenty five miles south of Eskippakithiki, near the head of Station Camp Creek in Estill County, upon the Warriors' Trace, they met a party of 7 Pennsylvania white traders, consisting of James Lowry, David Hendricks, Alexander McGinty, Jabez Evans, Jacob Evans, William Powell, Thomas Hyde, and their Cherokee servant.
The white Pennsylvania traders shot at the Indians, and so the Indians (with Philip Philips), took the whites prisoner, and took them to Canada, and some of them were shipped off to France.
#32 Feb 2, 2012
Major William Trent wrote this: "I have received a letter just now from Mr. Croghan, wherein he acquaints me that fifty-odd Ottawas, Conewagos, one Dutchman, and one of the Six Nations, that was their captain, met with some of our people at a place called KENTUCKY on this side Allegheny river, about one hundred and fifty miles from the Lower Shawnee Town. They took 8 prisoners, five belonging to Mr. Croghan and me, the others to Lowry; they took three or four hundred pounds worth of goods from us; one of them made his escape after he had been a prisoner three days. Three of John Findley's men are killed by the Little Pict Town, and no account of himself... There was one Frenchman in the Company."
So, upon hearing about the Philip Philips' Indians stealing his military troops, did Major William Trent send in tanks and artillery, and Nagasaki'd Eskippakithiki ?
#33 Feb 2, 2012
Also, Jakey the Cowardly BIGOT, the "red" man isn't red at all (just like blacks aren't black, and whites aren't white), but more of a brown mahogany color. A Caramel Brown. Looks your morals and your eye sight are off.
Is Major William Trent your daddy massah ? Is that why you idolize Major William Trent's policy of genocide so lovingly ?
#34 Feb 2, 2012
Indian Old Fields, Home of the Shawnee by Patsy Woodring 2001.
"According to archeological research, there have been many Indian settlements within the borders of Kentucky."
John Goff reported that Indian Old Fields and Big Bone Lick were the only two Indian settlements in Kentucky. In 1922 Bessie Taul Conkwright stated that, in 1750, Indians dwelt in three places in the state. The Chickasaws were in the extreme west, on cliffs of the Mississippi River. A flood destroyed the Shawnee town of Shannoah on the Ohio side of the river at the mouth of the Scioto. It was rebuilt on the Kentucky side, across from the mouth of the Scioto. The other settlement was at Eskippakithiki.
Finley built a stockade for his furs and stayed at Eskippakithiki until January 1753. He was building up a good trade when a band of Ottawa Indians descended on a scalping expedition. Three of Finley's servants were taken captive, his furs stolen, and all goods were taken. He and one black African-American servant, John Faulkner, were away that day and escaped.
Scotch-Irish and English were the first settlers.
A Kentuckian is half-horse and half-alligator. Kentucky is the Irish of Amerika.
"Kentuckians were a fallen people living atop an older Indian civilization over which they had made little improvement." ~Irishman Thomas Ashe
#35 Feb 2, 2012
Here's a great article about your checkered past:
#36 Feb 2, 2012
Yea..... I think it's funny that you think I'm white.
You are the racist one here obviously thinking white people owe you or something, how bout u stand up to the whites I'm not the one who's hatin on them home boy.
White people are the minority of the world
And soon to be minority of the USA
All races have there haters, I mean there's genocide going on in Africa today!
Chinese people kill their female babies
Middle easterners are hate filled people.
Hows religion come into this all religions have their flaws, like I told you before go seek some counseling if you feel hatred in your heart I'm sure there's an antidepressant or something that can balance out the neurotransmitters in your brain and help you learn to deal with the hate that fills your heart.
#37 Feb 2, 2012
White people have actually came along way here lately I mean Obama didn't get elected by black people alone !!
Jakey is my real name!
And I'm not reading anything u post because frankly I've read as much on native Americans as I feel like reading and I respect all cultures, races, and religions.
The USA is a melting pot
Has been since it started native Americans were the first race soaked up! alot of the blue eyed devils that u speak of probably have Indian ancestry in their blood line and African blood as well. No one born in the USA in the past 100 years is 100% white, black or Indian.
Hell Kentucky is known for having Melungeon people! Just as louisiana is known for it's red bone people and Cajans put that in your peace pipe n smoke it!!!! Oooo n that's another reason why the Indians lost their land they were to high to fight from smokin on that peace pipe!!! Haha
#38 Feb 3, 2012
Let's just stop with the racism, ya know ? Its like 2012 dude. What year you living in ? 1950s ? You think Jim Crow still here ? Dude, get a life, brush your teeth, and go vote.
"Kentuckians were a fallen people living atop an older Indian civilization over which they had made little improvement." ~Irishman Thomas Ashe
That's such a great quote ! Thanks for getting me to research this more ! And for decorating my posts with your ignorant hillbilly ranting of an insane racist jerkoff loser schoolboy. Ha ha !
#39 Feb 3, 2012
And if you want to add something constructive to this discussion, then please, tell me all you know about Kentucky's Indians, and about Daniel Boone, and the other Indian babykillers you probably honor and worship.
#40 Feb 3, 2012
U think it's possible that John Findley and that Major made up that story about the Indians attacking them, in order to sell off their stuff for a large amount of money, and then killed off all of the Indians ? There's like 3 different dates for when Daniel Boone went to Eskippakithiki...
And where's the Public Park for Eskippakithiki ? It is the hometown to Kentucky's name ya know ?
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