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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 147286 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Known fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#85589 Aug 12, 2012
"Space ship Earth ss"

POLITICS

WHAT SCRIPTURES HAVE ALWAYS HAD A BEARING ON THE ATTITUDE OF TRUE CHRISTIANS TOWARD INVOLVEMENT IN POLITICAL ISSUES AND ACTIVITIES?

John 17:16 "They are no part of the world, just as I [Jesus] am no part of the world."
John 6:15 Therefore Jesus, knowing they were about to come and seize him to make him king, withdrew again into the mountain all alone.
JESUS WOULD NOT TOUCH POLITICS WITH A 10 FOOT POLE!
Later Jesus told the Roman governor “My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.”- John 18:36
James 4:4:“Adulteresses, do YOU not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.”
WHY IS THE MATTER SO SERIOUS? Because as 1 John 5:19 says,“the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.”
AT John 14:30, JESUS REFERRED TO SATAN AS BEING “the ruler or the world.”
SO NO MATTER WHAT WORLDLY FACTION A PERSON MIGHT SUPPORT, UNDER WHOSE CONTROL WOULD HE REALLY COME?

WHAT, THEN, WILL HAPPEN TO MAN-MADE GOVERNMENTS?
The Bible answers that the governments "of the ENTIRE inhabited earth" will be destroyed.(Revelation 16:14; 19:19-21 and Daniel 2:44)
If a true Christian believes that God’s Kingdom is about to remove all man-made political systems, he logically would refrain from supporting those political systems. After all if he tried to prop up doomed, man-made governments, he would, in effect, BE TAKING A STAND AGAINST GOD.
Yes and Amen

Jackson, KY

#85590 Aug 13, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
If you say that Goodyear is better than Pirelli you might be biased. If you say that tires are sharp, you might be a creationist.
Depends on the tire, now doesn't it?
You ever see the edges on a sand dragster? No?
God is real, and we are NOT here by accident!
Yes and Amen

Jackson, KY

#85591 Aug 13, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh and by the Way... This area of Rural Kentucky was a Coal Mining union organizing Socialist/Democrat area until the last couple of decades... That is what has led our part of the world to become one of the most dependent areas of the nation... We have Generational Welfare which has created a large block of our population to become un-productive, poorly educated and futures of poverty
Great Posts Q!
You have a great day!
Yes and Amen

Jackson, KY

#85592 Aug 13, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you should be the first to understand what Obama was into during his college years does not define him?
No... yer right!
It's what he's done in the last few!
Buh-Bye NObama!
BTW Did you build that?
Yer biz I mean!
Yes and Amen

Jackson, KY

#85593 Aug 13, 2012
Spaceship earth wrote:
Continued from:
Republican Mitt Romney and the "Mormon Plan for America"
The other prophecy is even more controversial. It is known as the “White Horse Prophecy” or the prophecy of the “One mighty and strong.” Now, this is not public, formal LDS doctrine, but it was taught by many leaders of the Church and is still taught today. It is said by LDS leadership that when the Constitution is in dire peril, one will come who is mighty and strong. He will come riding (figuratively perhaps) on a white horse and will wield awesome political and spiritual power.
This mysterious priesthood elder would somehow seize control of the US government to prevent the total abrogation of the Constitution. He would assume total power and create an LDS “Kingdom” in America. At that time, this “one mighty and strong” would be proclaimed the new “Prophet “(First President) of the LDS church and would also be president of the United States. Thus, he would wield both supreme political power of the most powerful nation on earth and also be the “Prophet, Seer and Revelator”(12) of the LDS Church.
At the same time, through the vast corporate and agricultural holdings of the LDS Church (through its various subsidiaries), he would have the power to either feed the world or with-hold food from the world. The implication is that getting food would be dependent on being obedient to the United Order.
Now, to a Bible-believer, all of this sounds chillingly like the description of the “man of sin”(2 Thess. 2:3) or the Anti-Christ. He will be a great political leader (Rev. 13:2) but with a religious component (Rev. 13:4). He will control commerce and especially food distribution (Rev. 13:17). But most Mormons do not see that connection. They believe he will be a mighty spiritual and political leader who will save the USA from destruction and ultimately bring peace to the world.
William Schnoebelen
"Once properly understood, you will realize that no genuine Christian could ever support Mitt Romney for President."
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2226.cfm
I believe the end is near, and no matter what we do... it will NOT stop it from coming!
That being said...
Point to one darn thing Obama did in office that Helped AMerica!
He's not even been working on the things he said he would work on!
Playing Golf was NOT in the Job description, or his Promises!
Who'd say "If elected,I Promise to play a lot of golf!"
The end is near... Hold on to yer hat, it's gonna get rough!
well

Columbia, KY

#85594 Aug 13, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>I believe the end is near, and no matter what we do... it will NOT stop it from coming!
That being said...
Point to one darn thing Obama did in office that Helped AMerica!
He's not even been working on the things he said he would work on!
Playing Golf was NOT in the Job description, or his Promises!
Who'd say "If elected,I Promise to play a lot of golf!"
The end is near... Hold on to yer hat, it's gonna get rough!
Troops out of Iraq. Bin laden is dead. slowed the recession. Kept the auto industry from collapsing(jobs). Improved benefits and pay for veterans. Put an end to stop/loss.....oh, you said 1. Sorry. Now, name one thing Obama has done that has negatively affected you personally. Please.

Since: Feb 12

El Dorado Hills, CA

#85595 Aug 13, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>I believe the end is near, and no matter what we do... it will NOT stop it from coming!
That being said...
Point to one darn thing Obama did in office that Helped AMerica!
He's not even been working on the things he said he would work on!
Playing Golf was NOT in the Job description, or his Promises!
Who'd say "If elected,I Promise to play a lot of golf!"
The end is near... Hold on to yer hat, it's gonna get rough!
i

If what you say it true the why support either party and compromise your position as christian and watchman for God by supporting a possible anti-christ. You may get the mark of the beast. Get your tooth bush ready you may be put on latrine duty with God.

Since: Feb 12

El Dorado Hills, CA

#85596 Aug 13, 2012
Known fact wrote:
"Space ship Earth ss"
POLITICS
WHAT SCRIPTURES HAVE ALWAYS HAD A BEARING ON THE ATTITUDE OF TRUE CHRISTIANS TOWARD INVOLVEMENT IN POLITICAL ISSUES AND ACTIVITIES?

If a true Christian believes that God’s Kingdom is about to remove all man-made political systems, he logically would refrain from supporting those political systems. After all if he tried to prop up doomed, man-made governments, he would, in effect, BE TAKING A STAND AGAINST GOD.
You have a good point. Reading what YAA and other christians are saying about the end times. If what you are saying is true then others taking part in govenment as this end-time could be doomed by God and risking the mark of the beast also imminent destruction with the earthly governments by God if taking part in the darkness rather than abstaining and proclaiming the kingdom of God is at hand.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#85597 Aug 13, 2012
Known fact wrote:
<quoted text>
No! Jehovah is not a Magician! He is a CREATOR!
The planet earth is much older than 6,000 years! Mankind has been on earth about 6,000 years and scientific fact supports that! It is your evolution theory that must rely on magic because there is not one shread of EVIDENCE to support the THEORY. It is really not magic either it is only in your dreams! DREAM ON!
Lots of evidence supports evolution. And evidence shows man has been on earth much longer than six thousand years.
Evolution does not need magic. Evolution can happen due to natural selection. We see it all the time.

The bible claims god 'spoke' the universe into existence. Now how is that not magic? There is no actual work involved to cause the action. Now if you can show what power was used by god, you have no case of it not being magic.
Creationism explains nothing. This is why it is not taught in schools. It does not help one understand anything. It is not science. It is just a claim. You may as well be claiming how Zeus makes lightning.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#85598 Aug 13, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>No... yer right!
It's what he's done in the last few!
Buh-Bye NObama!
BTW Did you build that?
Yer biz I mean!
You may mean my business, but that is not what Obama said. He said the roads and bridges. If you have not had the preceding sentence Obama uttered censored by Fox news, you would know this. But you follow the lie like a blind sheep.

I did not build the roads and bridges.

And the roads and bridges allow for my business to be built. Without them, my business would not likely have ever been built.

I know this is all to complex for the crackhead to understand.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#85599 Aug 13, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>I believe the end is near, and no matter what we do... it will NOT stop it from coming!
That being said...
Point to one darn thing Obama did in office that Helped AMerica!
He's not even been working on the things he said he would work on!
Playing Golf was NOT in the Job description, or his Promises!
Who'd say "If elected,I Promise to play a lot of golf!"
The end is near... Hold on to yer hat, it's gonna get rough!
Obama saved America from a depression. The economy was in a steep downward spiral. Now it is relatively stable. I see you are so partisan you cannot give Obama credit for saving our economy Bush put us into.

And is the president not allowed to play? Must he work 24/7? He is a human. Humans need play for optimal health. Do you wish for our leader to be dysfunctional?

You are just full of Fox news talking points with no substance. Blind sheep.
spaceship earth_ss

El Dorado Hills, CA

#85600 Aug 13, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Obama saved America from a depression. The economy was in a steep downward spiral. Now it is relatively stable. I see you are so partisan you cannot give Obama credit for saving our economy Bush put us into.
And is the president not allowed to play? Must he work 24/7? He is a human. Humans need play for optimal health. Do you wish for our leader to be dysfunctional?
You are just full of Fox news talking points with no substance. Blind sheep.
I read Bush went Awol after his training as fighter pilot. Then lied to his secretary of state colin powell to support his lies on Iraq to the United Nations forcing Colin Powell to lose respect and quit being the heavy for Bush showing Bush was a liar and had no balls to do it himself.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#85601 Aug 13, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh and by the Way... This area of Rural Kentucky was a Coal Mining union organizing Socialist/Democrat area until the last couple of decades... That is what has led our part of the world to become one of the most dependent areas of the nation... We have Generational Welfare which has created a large block of our population to become un-productive, poorly educated and futures of poverty
The problem with balance is that the pendulum usually spends most of it's time swinging past it. Why do you seem to champion the coal companies that paid in company scrip, refused to implement safe practices and denied any obligation for the health of their workers?
You contend that labor unions are at fault for consequences that could only have been worse under company rule?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#85602 Aug 13, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah.. But there is a Difference... There is No Evidence for what you claim... There is Evidence for what those you oppose ... Why.. There is Paper Work that states Berry was Enrolled in grade schools and was a Muslim.. There is statements from his Grand Mother that he was born in her country... The Mayor of his grandmothers home is on video stating they have name schools and streets in honor of his birth there... I could go on with evidence but I have stated long ago none of that matters... It does not matter if he was born in down town Moscow as long as his mother was a US Citizen... But I can understand that the Evidence is there to allow reasonable question as to place of birth... And to what was stated as his faith at some point in time...
What I have a problem with is his History as a Socialist... You may love the Idea of National Socialism.. I Don't... So I base my issues with some of the things we have evidence for that should be considered...
No evidence for what I claim? What did I write that you interpret as unsubstantiated? Meanwhile...

Who is "Berry"? Barack? There is paperwork that says Obama attended both Muslim and Catholic grade schools - but none that declare him as a Muslim. The aliases have been debunked, as have the deliberate misquotations of his paternal grandmother.
Half of the cities in the US have a "Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd." By conspiracist contortion of logic that is one more factual tidbit that PROVES King was NOT born in Atlanta.
You could go on with more conspiracy bullcrap, since everybody knows conservative bloggers never lie.
There is no clear definition of "National Socialism". It was a phrase invented by the German Nazi party. Both "Nationalism" and "Socialism" have several sub-categories and interpretations. Generally, Nationalism is an isolationist viewpoint that a domestic group is superior over another and/or foreign group. Socialism usually refers to the state operating with similarites to a cooperative, where goods and services are provided on demand and profits and losses are shared. As I've stated before, we've had some socialism since before the country was even founded, but certainly it should be limited before it creates a greater burden than benefit.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#85603 Aug 13, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
No evidence for what I claim? What did I write that you interpret as unsubstantiated? Meanwhile...
Who is "Berry"? Barack? There is paperwork that says Obama attended both Muslim and Catholic grade schools - but none that declare him as a Muslim. The aliases have been debunked, as have the deliberate misquotations of his paternal grandmother.
Half of the cities in the US have a "Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd." By conspiracist contortion of logic that is one more factual tidbit that PROVES King was NOT born in Atlanta.
You could go on with more conspiracy bullcrap, since everybody knows conservative bloggers never lie.
There is no clear definition of "National Socialism". It was a phrase invented by the German Nazi party. Both "Nationalism" and "Socialism" have several sub-categories and interpretations. Generally, Nationalism is an isolationist viewpoint that a domestic group is superior over another and/or foreign group. Socialism usually refers to the state operating with similarites to a cooperative, where goods and services are provided on demand and profits and losses are shared. As I've stated before, we've had some socialism since before the country was even founded, but certainly it should be limited before it creates a greater burden than benefit.
Their is paperwork that says I am a Mormon, but clearly I am atheist.
Just watched this video this morning.

Mitt Romney believes this story. Seems it does not take much to fool Mitt.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#85604 Aug 13, 2012
Known fact wrote:
<quoted text>
No! Jehovah is not a Magician! He is a CREATOR!
The planet earth is much older than 6,000 years! Mankind has been on earth about 6,000 years and scientific fact supports that! It is your evolution theory that rely on magic because there is not one shread of EVIDENCE to support the THEORY. It is really not magic either it is only in your dreams! DREAM ON!
Look up Göbekli Tepe ... Since it is around 16,000 years old and has workman ship that would have taken a very long time to acquire your dates can right off the bat be shown to be wrong on a massive scale... 6,000 years ago there were populations on the south American Continent in the Millions... Science in No Way supports such a ridiculous claim of man being 6k years old and any one suggesting such in science would be laughed off the field as being a fool....

Magic is when someone does something that breaks all physical and natural laws of nature... If God picks up a hand full of sand and makes a person then it is by definition Magic... When a Magician makes a object appear from thin air these days it is called Illusion because he does not actually do it, It's a trick... The guy that pulls a rabbit out of a hat is an Illusionist ... A Magician would be able to actually make the rabbit without a trick by a Spell...

So if what you Believe God did... Make a person from dirt and another from a rib then by Definition that is Magic... Magic is required to but the many Millions of different species of bugs,mammals and birds on a small boat.... Magic is required to turn Water into wine without a winery... Feeding a 1000 people on 2 cat fish requires Magic...

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#85605 Aug 13, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Their is paperwork that says I am a Mormon, but clearly I am atheist.
Just watched this video this morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =zw2PuGq9arMXX
Mitt Romney believes this story. Seems it does not take much to fool Mitt.
The LDS has been on a campaign to import dead people into its ranks for decades. Their genealogical database says that one of my ancestors (now a Mormon) was born in Massachusetts in 1609 - 11 years before the Mayflower landed! It comes as no surprise that they are inducting living people into the cult without their knowledge.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#85606 Aug 13, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
No evidence for what I claim? What did I write that you interpret as unsubstantiated? Meanwhile...
Who is "Berry"? Barack? There is paperwork that says Obama attended both Muslim and Catholic grade schools - but none that declare him as a Muslim. The aliases have been debunked, as have the deliberate misquotations of his paternal grandmother.
Half of the cities in the US have a "Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd." By conspiracist contortion of logic that is one more factual tidbit that PROVES King was NOT born in Atlanta.
You could go on with more conspiracy bullcrap, since everybody knows conservative bloggers never lie.
There is no clear definition of "National Socialism". It was a phrase invented by the German Nazi party. Both "Nationalism" and "Socialism" have several sub-categories and interpretations. Generally, Nationalism is an isolationist viewpoint that a domestic group is superior over another and/or foreign group. Socialism usually refers to the state operating with similarites to a cooperative, where goods and services are provided on demand and profits and losses are shared. As I've stated before, we've had some socialism since before the country was even founded, but certainly it should be limited before it creates a greater burden than benefit.
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/u...

When Berry's mom married Mr. Soetoro he used the name Barry Soetoro, His school mates know his as such and have been interviewed stating they did not know a Barak Obama... They Only knew him as Berry Soetoro... So.. Either he had a Name Change after his mother married or he was using an Alias... If he had actually changed his name, or his parents changed it legally after marriage then he would have been required to have it changed back to which no paper work has ever been produced...

Now I don't think this is a bi deal by it's self.. But when he filled out the paper work to run for the Ill Senate the form asks if the person has used an Alias or Had a name change and he marked No... That is a Felony...

Forget all the political views and all I care is his Grand Mothers words...
http://youtu.be/A7xVFnTAqYw
http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/05/Vetting34.jp...

So as I said.. I think if his mother was a US Citizen it does not matter where he was born he would be a Natural Born Citizen... But there is good reasonable evidence that should be researched..

You may because of your Beliefs just cast aside all the stuff but I have no doubt that if any of these thing were to come up concerning a conservative you would call for all kinds of investigations into it... There would be 100's of reporters filing FOA requests and sitting in every records room seeking more info... As well you should...

But You call for Tax records to see what Romney did with his money yet fluff off Obama's college records... He has spent 4 million in lawyer fees to block their release... Might it be because some of the issues dealing with his place of birth and name change are in those records such as using his place of birth to get scholarships as a foreign exchange student or other statement in the paperwork that would explain how a, by his own admission, drug using party boy got into Occidental and Harvard...

Wow

United States

#85607 Aug 13, 2012
Everyone needs him

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#85610 Aug 13, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/u...
When Berry's mom married Mr. Soetoro he used the name Barry Soetoro, His school mates know his as such and have been interviewed stating they did not know a Barak Obama... They Only knew him as Berry Soetoro... So.. Either he had a Name Change after his mother married or he was using an Alias... If he had actually changed his name, or his parents changed it legally after marriage then he would have been required to have it changed back to which no paper work has ever been produced...
Now I don't think this is a bi deal by it's self.. But when he filled out the paper work to run for the Ill Senate the form asks if the person has used an Alias or Had a name change and he marked No... That is a Felony...
Forget all the political views and all I care is his Grand Mothers words...
http://youtu.be/A7xVFnTAqYw
http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/05/Vetting34.jp...
So as I said.. I think if his mother was a US Citizen it does not matter where he was born he would be a Natural Born Citizen... But there is good reasonable evidence that should be researched..
You may because of your Beliefs just cast aside all the stuff but I have no doubt that if any of these thing were to come up concerning a conservative you would call for all kinds of investigations into it... There would be 100's of reporters filing FOA requests and sitting in every records room seeking more info... As well you should...
But You call for Tax records to see what Romney did with his money yet fluff off Obama's college records... He has spent 4 million in lawyer fees to block their release... Might it be because some of the issues dealing with his place of birth and name change are in those records such as using his place of birth to get scholarships as a foreign exchange student or other statement in the paperwork that would explain how a, by his own admission, drug using party boy got into Occidental and Harvard...
I fluff off the bloggers' fraudulent claims, yes. The Fulbright scholarship was an April Fools hoax, the Bishop McRae interview with Obama's paternal grandmother was completely misquoted, as the transcripts clearly prove, Even Fox News has stated: "It shows his mother gave birth to him in Hawaii. It is stamped and sealed by the state of Hawaii. It is confirmed, and Fox News can confirm the president of the United States is a citizen of the United States, period."
The spokesman from Occidental has debunked the allegations that Obama used an alias in college, just as the other "80 aliases" have been proven bogus.
Obama attended both Muslim and Catholic grade schools in Indonesia, because those were the schools available in those areas.

Now, aside from conservative partisanship and a disturbing devotion to Larry Johnson, why are you so much more interested in whether Obama got C's and D's than in Romney's overseas deeds?

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