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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 149954 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

United States

#85606 Aug 13, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
No evidence for what I claim? What did I write that you interpret as unsubstantiated? Meanwhile...
Who is "Berry"? Barack? There is paperwork that says Obama attended both Muslim and Catholic grade schools - but none that declare him as a Muslim. The aliases have been debunked, as have the deliberate misquotations of his paternal grandmother.
Half of the cities in the US have a "Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd." By conspiracist contortion of logic that is one more factual tidbit that PROVES King was NOT born in Atlanta.
You could go on with more conspiracy bullcrap, since everybody knows conservative bloggers never lie.
There is no clear definition of "National Socialism". It was a phrase invented by the German Nazi party. Both "Nationalism" and "Socialism" have several sub-categories and interpretations. Generally, Nationalism is an isolationist viewpoint that a domestic group is superior over another and/or foreign group. Socialism usually refers to the state operating with similarites to a cooperative, where goods and services are provided on demand and profits and losses are shared. As I've stated before, we've had some socialism since before the country was even founded, but certainly it should be limited before it creates a greater burden than benefit.
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/u...

When Berry's mom married Mr. Soetoro he used the name Barry Soetoro, His school mates know his as such and have been interviewed stating they did not know a Barak Obama... They Only knew him as Berry Soetoro... So.. Either he had a Name Change after his mother married or he was using an Alias... If he had actually changed his name, or his parents changed it legally after marriage then he would have been required to have it changed back to which no paper work has ever been produced...

Now I don't think this is a bi deal by it's self.. But when he filled out the paper work to run for the Ill Senate the form asks if the person has used an Alias or Had a name change and he marked No... That is a Felony...

Forget all the political views and all I care is his Grand Mothers words...
http://youtu.be/A7xVFnTAqYw
http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/05/Vetting34.jp...

So as I said.. I think if his mother was a US Citizen it does not matter where he was born he would be a Natural Born Citizen... But there is good reasonable evidence that should be researched..

You may because of your Beliefs just cast aside all the stuff but I have no doubt that if any of these thing were to come up concerning a conservative you would call for all kinds of investigations into it... There would be 100's of reporters filing FOA requests and sitting in every records room seeking more info... As well you should...

But You call for Tax records to see what Romney did with his money yet fluff off Obama's college records... He has spent 4 million in lawyer fees to block their release... Might it be because some of the issues dealing with his place of birth and name change are in those records such as using his place of birth to get scholarships as a foreign exchange student or other statement in the paperwork that would explain how a, by his own admission, drug using party boy got into Occidental and Harvard...

Wow

United States

#85607 Aug 13, 2012
Everyone needs him

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#85610 Aug 13, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/u...
When Berry's mom married Mr. Soetoro he used the name Barry Soetoro, His school mates know his as such and have been interviewed stating they did not know a Barak Obama... They Only knew him as Berry Soetoro... So.. Either he had a Name Change after his mother married or he was using an Alias... If he had actually changed his name, or his parents changed it legally after marriage then he would have been required to have it changed back to which no paper work has ever been produced...
Now I don't think this is a bi deal by it's self.. But when he filled out the paper work to run for the Ill Senate the form asks if the person has used an Alias or Had a name change and he marked No... That is a Felony...
Forget all the political views and all I care is his Grand Mothers words...
http://youtu.be/A7xVFnTAqYw
http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/05/Vetting34.jp...
So as I said.. I think if his mother was a US Citizen it does not matter where he was born he would be a Natural Born Citizen... But there is good reasonable evidence that should be researched..
You may because of your Beliefs just cast aside all the stuff but I have no doubt that if any of these thing were to come up concerning a conservative you would call for all kinds of investigations into it... There would be 100's of reporters filing FOA requests and sitting in every records room seeking more info... As well you should...
But You call for Tax records to see what Romney did with his money yet fluff off Obama's college records... He has spent 4 million in lawyer fees to block their release... Might it be because some of the issues dealing with his place of birth and name change are in those records such as using his place of birth to get scholarships as a foreign exchange student or other statement in the paperwork that would explain how a, by his own admission, drug using party boy got into Occidental and Harvard...
I fluff off the bloggers' fraudulent claims, yes. The Fulbright scholarship was an April Fools hoax, the Bishop McRae interview with Obama's paternal grandmother was completely misquoted, as the transcripts clearly prove, Even Fox News has stated: "It shows his mother gave birth to him in Hawaii. It is stamped and sealed by the state of Hawaii. It is confirmed, and Fox News can confirm the president of the United States is a citizen of the United States, period."
The spokesman from Occidental has debunked the allegations that Obama used an alias in college, just as the other "80 aliases" have been proven bogus.
Obama attended both Muslim and Catholic grade schools in Indonesia, because those were the schools available in those areas.

Now, aside from conservative partisanship and a disturbing devotion to Larry Johnson, why are you so much more interested in whether Obama got C's and D's than in Romney's overseas deeds?

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#85611 Aug 14, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem with balance is that the pendulum usually spends most of it's time swinging past it. Why do you seem to champion the coal companies that paid in company scrip, refused to implement safe practices and denied any obligation for the health of their workers?
You contend that labor unions are at fault for consequences that could only have been worse under company rule?
Currently the mines are facing trouble because they have not been diligent at monitoring the quality of the air the miners have to breathe. Miners work under the implied threat that the company will simply close up shop if forced to fully comply with Federal regulations. So the miners themselves will often fudge the air quality samples.

http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2012/...

I totally agree that Unions CAN cause problems if they gain too much power. But we've also seen, historically, what happens when there is no worker representation.

The idea that a regulation-free market will be benevolent and fruitful is an Ayn Rand fantasy. You need that workable balance just like you need a hand on the steering wheel of a car.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#85612 Aug 14, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
The LDS has been on a campaign to import dead people into its ranks for decades. Their genealogical database says that one of my ancestors (now a Mormon) was born in Massachusetts in 1609 - 11 years before the Mayflower landed! It comes as no surprise that they are inducting living people into the cult without their knowledge.
As a teen, I was baptized for the dead in DC. We had a bus load of us teens go from Florida to DC just for this. It had to be done in the temple for some reason.
I wonder why we only got baptized for our ancestors? Why not get baptized for all the dead at once?

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#85613 Aug 14, 2012
Wotcha mates, great games and london bridge is not falling down.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#85614 Aug 14, 2012
Known fact wrote:
<quoted text>
No! Jehovah is not a Magician! He is a CREATOR!
The planet earth is much older than 6,000 years! Mankind has been on earth about 6,000 years and scientific fact supports that! It is your evolution theory that must rely on magic because there is not one shread of EVIDENCE to support the THEORY. It is really not magic either it is only in your dreams! DREAM ON!
What "scientific fact supports" man only being on earth 6000 years? I hope you do not mean your book of myths, for it is not a book of facts, it is a book of bull shiite.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

United States

#85615 Aug 14, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
I fluff off the bloggers' fraudulent claims, yes. The Fulbright scholarship was an April Fools hoax, the Bishop McRae interview with Obama's paternal grandmother was completely misquoted, as the transcripts clearly prove, Even Fox News has stated: "It shows his mother gave birth to him in Hawaii. It is stamped and sealed by the state of Hawaii. It is confirmed, and Fox News can confirm the president of the United States is a citizen of the United States, period."
The spokesman from Occidental has debunked the allegations that Obama used an alias in college, just as the other "80 aliases" have been proven bogus.
Obama attended both Muslim and Catholic grade schools in Indonesia, because those were the schools available in those areas.
Now, aside from conservative partisanship and a disturbing devotion to Larry Johnson, why are you so much more interested in whether Obama got C's and D's than in Romney's overseas deeds?
As for his Grand Mother I have heard her own words in her language from her lips so I don't know how they were Misquoted ... And I have seen the grade school sign in form where his name is stated as Soetoro , I have heard several of his school chums state they only knew him as Berry Soetoro... So he either was using it as a Alias or he had his name changed... I really don't care what anyone else says about it as those are Verifiable Facts on Paper Records...

I would also like to see any paperwork from any catholic schools he attended in his youth to verify the names used for registration..

As for his time at Occidental and Harvard.. Again I don't care what someone says happened, I don't care what claims are made... I want to see the Documents... I want to see the applications for scholarships, registration and other documents and not really concerned about his grades... More concerned about what is actually on the forms... If I went by what someone claims I would just take YAA and Defenders claims of God and religion... But I prefer Evidence....

And why would I be concerned... His Own Words bother me...

"I realized that who I was, what I cared about, was no longer just a matter of intellect or obligation, no longer a construct of words. I saw that my life in America — the black life, the white life, the sense of abandonment I'd felt as a boy, the frustration and hope I'd witnessed in Chicago — all of it was connected with this small plot of earth an ocean away, connected by more than the accident of a name or the color of my skin. The pain I felt was my father's pain. My questions were my brothers' questions. Their struggle, my birthright."

"The king is overthrown, I thought. The emerald curtain is pulled aside. The rabble of my head is free to run riot; I can do what I damn well please. For what man, if not my own father, has the power to tell me otherwise? Whatever I do, it seems, I won't do much worse than he did."


defender

United States

#85616 Aug 14, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Lots of evidence supports evolution. And evidence shows man has been on earth much longer than six thousand years.
Evolution does not need magic. Evolution can happen due to natural selection. We see it all the time.

The bible claims god 'spoke' the universe into existence. Now how is that not magic? There is no actual work involved to cause the action. Now if you can show what power was used by god, you have no case of it not being magic.
Creationism explains nothing. This is why it is not taught in schools. It does not help one understand anything. It is not science. It is just a claim. You may as well be claiming how Zeus makes lightning.
Really? Evolution has never been proven not even close... To say natural selection has proven change of species is just a flat out lie from an idiot... Without magic and lots of it your ape man theory falls on it's ass every time...

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#85617 Aug 14, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
As for his Grand Mother I have heard her own words in her language from her lips so I don't know how they were Misquoted ...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
defender

United States

#85618 Aug 14, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Obama saved America from a depression. The economy was in a steep downward spiral. Now it is relatively stable. I see you are so partisan you cannot give Obama credit for saving our economy Bush put us into.

And is the president not allowed to play? Must he work 24/7? He is a human. Humans need play for optimal health. Do you wish for our leader to be dysfunctional?

You are just full of Fox news talking points with no substance. Blind sheep.
The only thing Obama has accomplished is getting the toys out of the happymeals...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

United States

#85619 Aug 14, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
Don't care... Saw her on camera speaking from her own lips... In her own language and looked up the meanings of the words she used... Don't care what Trump said about it, Don't care what others say she Meant.. I Saw the video interview, heard Her Words out of Her Mouth, Saw her lips move that matched the words.. Looked up the translations of those words... So I'll go with that... I'll go with the pamphlet produced that states he was born in Kenya...

http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/23/EC45AB3918EFBAB...

I'll go with his words from his own mouth in the Spoken version of "Sin's of my Father" which leads me to think his allegiance is with the lands of his father and to shrink the US as punishment for it's long ago colonial past...

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#85620 Aug 14, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Evolution has never been proven not even close... To say natural selection has proven change of species is just a flat out lie from an idiot... Without magic and lots of it your ape man theory falls on it's ass every time...
Really? Your reading ability is truly primate like, he never said "proven" he said "supported" as a theory is often done. But wait you do not understand what a scientific theory is do you MonkeyMensch.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#85621 Aug 14, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't care... Saw her on camera speaking from her own lips... In her own language and looked up the meanings of the words she used... Don't care what Trump said about it, Don't care what others say she Meant.. I Saw the video interview, heard Her Words out of Her Mouth, Saw her lips move that matched the words.. Looked up the translations of those words... So I'll go with that... I'll go with the pamphlet produced that states he was born in Kenya...
http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/23/EC45AB3918EFBAB...
I'll go with his words from his own mouth in the Spoken version of "Sin's of my Father" which leads me to think his allegiance is with the lands of his father and to shrink the US as punishment for it's long ago colonial past...
I watched your video

&fe ature=youtu.be

and the voice track is synced better than most Godzilla movies. Your entire argument is taken from 2 words that have been isolated from conversation - suspicious? It should be to a rational investigator. The clip is only credited to "Journeyman" - who?
You believe a PAMPHLET? You think that his stepfather's surname name on a piece of paper from 4th grade is an "alias" that launched an international conspiracy to destroy the United States? That's basically what No Quarter and WND say.

Check your history - the US was not a colonial power - we tried it here and there, but not extensively. It was the European countries that cut up and colonized the African continent - Kenya specifically was colonized by Great Britain.

His reference to being connected to a small plot of land is the same connection I feel in going to an Irish festival.

His reference of removing the emerald curtain and that he couldn't do worse than his father was in the revelation that his father was not a figure to look up to, but an abusive drunk.

Whatever. You are going to insist that 2+2 = 9, so I'll just leave you with words you can understand.
God is Real! AMEN!

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#85622 Aug 14, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
I watched your video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =A7xVFnTAqYwXX&feature=you tu.be
and the voice track is synced better than most Godzilla movies. Your entire argument is taken from 2 words that have been isolated from conversation - suspicious? It should be to a rational investigator. The clip is only credited to "Journeyman" - who?
You believe a PAMPHLET? You think that his stepfather's surname name on a piece of paper from 4th grade is an "alias" that launched an international conspiracy to destroy the United States? That's basically what No Quarter and WND say.
Check your history - the US was not a colonial power - we tried it here and there, but not extensively. It was the European countries that cut up and colonized the African continent - Kenya specifically was colonized by Great Britain.
His reference to being connected to a small plot of land is the same connection I feel in going to an Irish festival.
His reference of removing the emerald curtain and that he couldn't do worse than his father was in the revelation that his father was not a figure to look up to, but an abusive drunk.
Whatever. You are going to insist that 2+2 = 9, so I'll just leave you with words you can understand.
God is Real! AMEN!
"God is Real!" Not
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#85623 Aug 14, 2012
to Q -what are you afraid that he will do as President during a second term, that you think is lurking somewhere as a long-awaited purpose that he has not told us about? that is the implication of your questions, I think.
I suspect he was raised agnostic for a while, by his mother. Is that a terrible thing in your mind? would it be a detriment to him as a candidate, if as a child he was not interested in religion and had no particular beliefs?
I will make a deal with you. match everything that you want to know about Obama, with everything I want to know about Romney, Ryans, Republican plans, corporate plans of those supporting him, banking plans of those supporting him, and all the hidden beliefs of the Mormon religion. show us how Romney behaved as a child and teenager and college student. while we are at it, let's have the facts out about old Joe Kennedy Sr. and how he was not very strongly opposed to Hitler, and about Prescott Bush and what his dealings were with Hitler's forces, including the financial dealings.
yes, let's add to that where was Bill Casey - was he at the Bohemian place - and let's have the full facts out about that place, and who is this socalled Gannon guy and did he visit GWBush - or was Casey having secret dealings with Iranians? or if he wasn't, was someone else doing so, to make a deal with them not to release hostages until Reagan got elected?
let's try a bit of full disclosure about l968. Anna Chennaut, or whoever it was, and the deal's made by Nixon forces, regarding Vietnam, to prevent the south from cooperating in peace deals while lbj was President. There is information somewhere about that.
how about the GOP isolationists before wWII, who did not want the US to get the US involved in a European war, and were glad to stand silent about the abuses of Hitler during his rise to power, and to stand silent about the abuses of the franco and Catholic Church supported forces when they overturned Republican spain?
I would love to ask Obama to go back to school and get better grades in history - and all Americans with him!
simple.

United States

#85624 Aug 14, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>"God is Real!" Not
God is real. Agreed
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#85625 Aug 14, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>"God is Real!" Not
are you saying that you know that there is no Being that could possibly be defined as God and that exists? I am still waiting for a reply from the hard atheist types to my proposed definition of an Actual God. God is another name for all that exists. That is less specific even than Spinoza's view, and does not specify materialism or idealism or a combination of both. it is a varient of pantheism. do you object to that? if so, on what grounds? just curious how you react.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#85626 Aug 14, 2012
[QUOTE who="simple. "]<quoted text>
God is real. Agreed[/QUOTE] please define the God that you think is real. tell us more about the god you think is real. Do you mean the Biblical one? the Christian version - oops!- which Christian version? or some other definition? would you accept my definition of God as all there is?
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#85627 Aug 14, 2012
the format changes from one "reply" to another. what has happened? used to be always in italics....

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