Convenience store clerks ready to sho...

Convenience store clerks ready to shoot if necessary

There are 39 comments on the Free Republic story from Dec 26, 2011, titled Convenience store clerks ready to shoot if necessary. In it, Free Republic reports that:

Two robberies and a near-death experience convinced Mark Headstrong that he needed to carry a gun.

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“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#21 Jan 3, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
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I would have to respectfully disagree. Legally indentured would be akin to service in the U.S. military. The enlistee signs a contract of service for a specified length of time. The convenience store clerk can quick that job whenever it strikes his/her fancy.
Yes, but the clerk agrees to the conditions of his employment whilst he remains employed, does he not?
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Ergo, your statement is incorrect.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#22 Jan 4, 2012
Highlander wrote:
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Lawyer-speak!
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One abides by way of faithfulness to principle.
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RIGHT BACK AT =>YOU<=, JERKWEED!
There is no "law abiding test" for the purchase or possession of a firearm. Joe Bob can get as many reckless driving tickets as he wants, including to the level where they are considered misdemeanor criminal offenses and can still go down to the Class III dealer and buy a machine gun, so long as he's not disabled in his right to do so by some other means or state law.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#23 Jan 4, 2012
Julia wrote:
It's funny now that I think about it how the "gangster" types...These guys believed that if you left your keys in your car that you deserved to have it stolen or if I gave back too much change that they deserved to keep it...
I own a nice car and I hold a profession and I don't typically think that I'm a "thug", "gangster" or "criminal" TYPE, and I totally believe that if you leave your keys in you car or your pistol in your glove box, you deserve having either taken for being patently and negligently stupid, LOL. In the city of milwaukee, if you leave your keys in a vehicle while it is on public or private public access property, you can be fined by the municipality up to 500.00 dollars. You the individual, do not get to risk the security and safety of the public, because you are to lazy and negligent to take simple, easy and common precautions. And when harm does come, the harmed have a right to due process in order to be made whole again.

Secondly, your concealed weapon cannot be used to sort through people's pockets to determine whether or not you've accidentally given them too much change. I can actually remember patronizing convenience stores on occasion after the bars closed and having twice seen clercks trying to turn my change for a 20.00 into change for a 10.00 thinking by prejudice that a person patronizing the store at that time of night was not thinking well. LOL, the thiefs probably in all eventuality got busted stealing from their employer. But, anywhoo, your "gangster" analogy doesn't hold up if you're thinking you can hold people at gun point to recover mistaken change back from a purchase.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#24 Jan 4, 2012
Highlander wrote:
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Allow me to interject: Because they are legally indentured.
I have to agree with Highlander on this subject and employee is subject to a contact with their employer. That said, if the cleck do shoot a robber, he may be well within his right to do so, well within his right to possess the firearm and well within his right to look for a new job right after the incident, but the employer has a right to hold up the contract and absolve himself of all liability in the shooting if there was a policy providing that no employee carry firearms or weapons while on duty or company property. The employer can terminate without extreme prejudice and the employee is left with all medical bills resulting from the incidient and all legal bills resulting from the incident.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#25 Jan 4, 2012
Highlander wrote:
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Yes, but the clerk agrees to the conditions of his employment whilst he remains employed, does he not?
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Ergo, your statement is incorrect.
Indentured means "bound by contract". Those military men/women who sign a contract of service are bound by that contract until it expires. Violate that contract by going AWOL, or even worse desertion, and you can be looking at a court martial and even jail time. If an employee doesn't like the rules set down by the store owner, he can simply walk out the door and seek employment elsewhere. Military personnel don't have that luxury.

Ergo, my statement is spot on.

Since: Oct 11

Austin, Texas

#26 Jan 4, 2012
Best case scenario is what I had going. I was hired part time as a convience store clerk because I had a license to carry concealed and they wanted an armed clerk on the night shift. The owners of the "mom and pop" store were robbed at gun point shortly before I started there and asked me to work for them because the "mom" couldn't stand to be in the store without someone else being their.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#27 Jan 4, 2012
Charlie in Austin wrote:
Best case scenario is what I had going. I was hired part time as a convience store clerk because I had a license to carry concealed and they wanted an armed clerk on the night shift.
So the owners of the convenice store wrote out a contract for the hiring of a bonded commercial armed guard and you took their offer and signed the contract? Or, you chose to be an unlicensed and unbonded armed guard in violation of the law and under the table? How would you have claimed workman's comp if you had been shot in the gut during a robbery?

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#28 Jan 4, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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According to you the amount a person earns is directly proportional to the rights they’re afforded?
Actually yes, would you use a court appointed attorney to defend you against allegations of a crime in a claimed self defense shooting or would you hire the best legal guns your money could buy? Really, now? LOL.

Speaking of rights, if a person can't afford a firearm and that person's right to bear arms isn't disabled, should the government give the man a firearm or is the shopkeeper of the gun store infringing on that man's rights by charging money for firarms? Hmmmmmmmmm?

Since: Oct 11

Austin, Texas

#29 Jan 4, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>So the owners of the convenice store wrote out a contract for the hiring of a bonded commercial armed guard and you took their offer and signed the contract? Or, you chose to be an unlicensed and unbonded armed guard in violation of the law and under the table? How would you have claimed workman's comp if you had been shot in the gut during a robbery?
Nope. I was a clerk who was allowed to carry concealed as I was legally able to do. I performed clerk duties running the register and customer service. It's just that the "mom" made it a point to come to the store to do her work when I was scheduled to work. Not being a hoplophobe she felt more comfortable knowing that it wouldn't be just a criminal's weapon that was present while she was there. Since there is no law agianst a clerk carrying a concealed weapon while at work I would have filed the claim in the same manner as any other clerk injured during the course of a robbery. Of course the possibility that I would need to would be less since I was armed and able to defend myself.
packin

Tupelo, MS

#30 Jan 4, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
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I have to agree with Highlander on this subject and employee is subject to a contact with their employer. That said, if the cleck do shoot a robber, he may be well within his right to do so, well within his right to possess the firearm and well within his right to look for a new job right after the incident, but the employer has a right to hold up the contract and absolve himself of all liability in the shooting if there was a policy providing that no employee carry firearms or weapons while on duty or company property. The employer can terminate without extreme prejudice and the employee is left with all medical bills resulting from the incidient and all legal bills resulting from the incident.
Alive but fired from job vs dead with a job. Can anyone in the class answer this dilemma?

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#31 Jan 4, 2012
Charlie in Austin wrote:
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Of course the possibility that I would need to would be less since I was armed and able to defend myself.
And, if anybody including yourself was shot, you'd be able to make up for lost time by suing the proprietor.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#32 Jan 4, 2012
packin wrote:
<quoted text> Alive but fired from job vs dead with a job. Can anyone in the class answer this dilemma?
Yeah, without a contract, as soon as bozo accidentally shot a bystander during a "melee" the proprietor of the business would be forced to become legally separarted with the clerk by firing him and denying all knowledge of giving permission to have a gun at the station. Not saying that people shouldn't carry where legal or smart, it's just that without some bonding or a contract, the under the table armed security guard is on his own in a shooting.
Packin

Saltillo, MS

#33 Jan 4, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, without a contract, as soon as bozo accidentally shot a bystander during a "melee" the proprietor of the business would be forced to become legally separarted with the clerk by firing him and denying all knowledge of giving permission to have a gun at the station. Not saying that people shouldn't carry where legal or smart, it's just that without some bonding or a contract, the under the table armed security guard is on his own in a shooting.
Alive but fired from job vs dead and have a job. Can anyone in the class answer this question?

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#34 Jan 4, 2012
Packin wrote:
<quoted text> Alive but fired from job vs dead and have a job. Can anyone in the class answer this question?
which class, lol? the class who lack a profession which doesn't have robbery as an on the job hazzard, while stocking gummie bears and beer on the shelves for 8.75 an hour?

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#35 Jan 4, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>which class, lol? the class who lack a profession which doesn't have robbery as an on the job hazzard, while stocking gummie bears and beer on the shelves for 8.75 an hour?
Is the whole of your life predicated upon the idea of ~how much money~ one is able to acquire for one's self?
Packin

Saltillo, MS

#36 Jan 4, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>which class, lol? the class who lack a profession which doesn't have robbery as an on the job hazzard, while stocking gummie bears and beer on the shelves for 8.75 an hour?
Would you give your life at 1:00 am for 8.75 per hour or a pack of gummie bears? Do you even have any idea how many low paid store clerks have died in late night hold ups just so the store owner can make a few extra dollars off late night street walkers?

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#37 Jan 4, 2012
Packin wrote:
<quoted text> Would you give your life at 1:00 am for 8.75 per hour or a pack of gummie bears? Do you even have any idea how many low paid store clerks have died in late night hold ups just so the store owner can make a few extra dollars off late night street walkers?
Well, you know? One may know a man by his words.
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The other poster condescends endlessly.
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Nuff said.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#38 Jan 5, 2012
Packin wrote:
Do you even have any idea how many low paid store clerks have died in late night hold ups just so the store owner can make a few extra dollars off late night street walkers?
That's why automated convenience stores are a concept long over due, to save both money and lives. Now thugs simply have to wait for the patron to leave the automated kiosk with their milk and eggs and BOOYAH!

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#39 Jan 5, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>Actually yes, would you use a court appointed attorney to defend you against allegations of a crime in a claimed self defense shooting or would you hire the best legal guns your money could buy? Really, now? LOL.
Speaking of rights, if a person can't afford a firearm and that person's right to bear arms isn't disabled, should the government give the man a firearm or is the shopkeeper of the gun store infringing on that man's rights by charging money for firarms? Hmmmmmmmmm?
I earn about $150K annually. Does that mean I have more rights than you?

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