Study: Transgender Discrimination Cos...

Study: Transgender Discrimination Costs Mass. Millions

There are 29 comments on the EDGE story from May 10, 2011, titled Study: Transgender Discrimination Costs Mass. Millions. In it, EDGE reports that:

A new study from the Williams Institute concludes the exclusion of transgender people from Massachusetts' employment non-discrimination laws costs the Commonwealth millions of dollars each year.

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“Indeed, I am!”

Since: Feb 09

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#21 May 14, 2011
Wondering wrote:
1. Like I've pointed out, I've seen the interviews and they really seem confused to me. Back to Chaz Bono, he has not had genital surgery and doesn't plan to. How could this person stand naked in a room full of people and convince them he is a man?
Do you ask everyone you meet to drop their pants to prove they really are who they say they are? Your criteria are fallacious and your logic is extremely wanting.
Wondering wrote:
2. The details of transgenderism and their realities are unimportant to me. I don't go out of my way to ridicule, harass, attack verbally or physically any of those people just for the sake of some type of perverse pleasure. They have problems enough.
Your publishing of your opinions against this bill constitute an attack against trans people. It seems you are trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth here. You attack a bill that would reduce the harm done to trans people while causing no harm to the rest of the state and then you claim you don't attack them?
Wondering wrote:
3. I don't see the bill as anything but taking a right away from an employer. Depending on the situation in the workplace it could harm the employer. If an employer were suffering because of an individual, for ANY reason, the employer should have the right to discharge the employee for the good of the company. This would be especially important in small businesses.
Employers are already prohibited from terminating employees in Massachusetts on the basis of sex, race, sexual orientation, nationality, etc. yet they still manage to get rid of unproductive and unprofitable employees. Adding gender identity to the current law will not make any significant difference to those employers who use honest and valid criteria to hire and fire. The only "right" that will be removed would be the ability to legally base hiring, firing and general work conditions on gender identity, a criterion that has nothing to do with the ability of a person to do a job.

13 states and over 120 other counties, cities, towns and villages (Boston, Cambridge and Northampton, MA included) already have laws that include gender identity to their nondiscrimination laws. I haven't seen a shred of evidence from those places that any of the things you fear about this law would actually come to pass in Massachusetts. This bill is fair, it's very necessary and your opposition to it is deplorable.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#22 May 15, 2011
Emelye Waldherr wrote:
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Do you ask everyone you meet to drop their pants to prove they really are who they say they are? Your criteria are fallacious and your logic is extremely wanting.
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Your publishing of your opinions against this bill constitute an attack against trans people. It seems you are trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth here. You attack a bill that would reduce the harm done to trans people while causing no harm to the rest of the state and then you claim you don't attack them?
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Employers are already prohibited from terminating employees in Massachusetts on the basis of sex, race, sexual orientation, nationality, etc. yet they still manage to get rid of unproductive and unprofitable employees. Adding gender identity to the current law will not make any significant difference to those employers who use honest and valid criteria to hire and fire. The only "right" that will be removed would be the ability to legally base hiring, firing and general work conditions on gender identity, a criterion that has nothing to do with the ability of a person to do a job.
13 states and over 120 other counties, cities, towns and villages (Boston, Cambridge and Northampton, MA included) already have laws that include gender identity to their nondiscrimination laws. I haven't seen a shred of evidence from those places that any of the things you fear about this law would actually come to pass in Massachusetts. This bill is fair, it's very necessary and your opposition to it is deplorable.
You are a person that was born a male and now present yourself as female. Your bias is noted and your opinions are understood. I don't agree with you.

“Indeed, I am!”

Since: Feb 09

As if it mattered . . .

#23 May 15, 2011
Wondering wrote:
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You are a person that was born a male and now present yourself as female. Your bias is noted and your opinions are understood. I don't agree with you.
OK, thank you for sharing that.

“Indeed, I am!”

Since: Feb 09

As if it mattered . . .

#24 May 15, 2011
Wondering wrote:
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You are a person that was born a male and now present yourself as female. Your bias is noted and your opinions are understood. I don't agree with you.
Do you think your cisgender/cissexual privilege has biased you in ways that you perhaps don't even recognize yourself? It goes both ways, you know.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#25 May 16, 2011
Emelye Waldherr wrote:
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Do you think your cisgender/cissexual privilege has biased you in ways that you perhaps don't even recognize yourself? It goes both ways, you know.
I'm happy with who I am, hope you are too.
Homeless Guy

Merrimack, NH

#26 May 16, 2011
Emelye Waldherr wrote:
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Not funny. At all. Your so called "joke" just illustrates how ignorant you are about trans people and trans women especially. It also advances the erroneous and transphobic belief that trans women are "really men." You probably won't understand this because you are sitting in a position of cissexual male privilege but, take it from one of the people you just mocked with that "joke," 'tain't funny at all.
The belief that trans women are "really men" and the accompanying belief that they are deceivers are the biggest motivating factors behind the violent physical assaults and murders of trans women all over the world. Your "joke" promotes those beliefs and tries to give them validity. That's why this is not a joking matter.
ROFLMAO!!!

Oh, it's a joking matter - ALL DAY LONG! The fact that you try to legitamize such a ridiculous notion that somone should change teh sex that they were born as is truly hilarious. As is the way that many of these "Transgendered" fools act.

There is simply nothing that you can EVER say that will change that. If you have to convince everyone that something is normal, then, by its intrinsic nature, it isn't. But, one thing is for sure - your claims that its someohow normal are funny all day long and into the night.

http://www.danistroom.com/inspirations/jokes/...

“Indeed, I am!”

Since: Feb 09

As if it mattered . . .

#27 May 16, 2011
Homeless Guy wrote:
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ROFLMAO!!!
Oh, it's a joking matter - ALL DAY LONG! The fact that you try to legitamize such a ridiculous notion that somone should change teh sex that they were born as is truly hilarious. As is the way that many of these "Transgendered" fools act.
There is simply nothing that you can EVER say that will change that. If you have to convince everyone that something is normal, then, by its intrinsic nature, it isn't. But, one thing is for sure - your claims that its someohow normal are funny all day long and into the night.
http://www.danistroom.com/inspirations/jokes/...
It's very obvious there's nothing that I can say that will convince a numbskull like you but there are reasonable and intelligent people who read these threads and they might just get it. The fact that scientists and doctors disagree with your outdated notions of sex and gender is just one reason why your so called "jokes" are clearly based in animosity and prejudice.

Junior high school humor may appeal to some people and most of us have grown past that stage.
Homeless Guy

Merrimack, NH

#28 May 16, 2011
Emelye Waldherr wrote:
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It's very obvious there's nothing that I can say that will convince a numbskull like you but there are reasonable and intelligent people who read these threads and they might just get it. The fact that scientists and doctors disagree with your outdated notions of sex and gender is just one reason why your so called "jokes" are clearly based in animosity and prejudice.
Junior high school humor may appeal to some people and most of us have grown past that stage.
Well, scissor me timbers!

Yup, correct! A numbskull like me that knows exactly who I am could never be convinced of anything from anyone that can't even figure out what parts they have in the nether region.

I have no animosity toward transgendered people. I feel bad for you. You aren't even bright enough to figure out whether you have an innie or an outie.

It breaks down to "X" and "Y" Chromosomes. I could care less what sex you "Want" to be. You are the sex that you were born as. I can't help it if you aren't bright enough to figure that out. Get your DNA tested and deal with it.

BTW, I heard that there were 3 kids in your family - 1 of each sex......
Homeless Girl

Pittsfield, MA

#29 May 17, 2011
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>I doubt very much that I look down upon women.I stand by my former statement;which does include myself?
Before or after the operation?

I'm with Homeless Guy. You need help and alot of it.

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