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DeMoulas appeal again slows Stop & Shop plans

There are 91 comments on the Lowell Sun story from Oct 4, 2008, titled DeMoulas appeal again slows Stop & Shop plans. In it, Lowell Sun reports that:

Super Stop & Shop hit another red light in the construction express lane as DeMoulas Supermarkets Inc.

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Carlisle, MA

#84 Mar 8, 2009
Jack wrote:
<quoted text>.sir!! you have to take into considerations where hannaford rec;s there peppers if it is say at there Maine location then that price reflects transportation chgs....I myself have hauled produce for a good 15yrs and I will say hannaford tends to purchase a higher grade of produce over say MB..stop&shop also rec a better quaility then MB...
I agree and Stop and Shop can be good if it at least gets a decent volume. I don't like the Chelmsford MA store and I never have. I used to like the Hudson NH Stop and Shop (and I thought for a good amount of time that S&S in Hudson NH beat all the competitors with all the coupons they offer like $5 or $10 off $50 order, but now I am a bigger fan of Hannaford. Right now, I think Stop and Shop is higher than MB and Hannaford. Hannaford is the same price as Market Basket; explanation for that is you'd pay higher prices for groceries, health and beauty supplies, and cleaning supplies, and that is offset by lower prices for select other items around the store and on store brand. But I think you can get better quality and better service at Hannaford and still pay the same dollar amount for at least the mix of groceries I buy each week.

BTW, people who say Market Basket is 20%+ lower than Hannaford better get their eyes checked; maybe vs Shaws depending how you shop, as you can get some pretty amazing deals if you follow the weekly specials that MB can come nearly as close to matching, but that's it.
phil

Middleboro, MA

#85 Mar 11, 2009
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Carlisle, MA

#86 Mar 14, 2009
phil wrote:
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Stop and Shop was good for about a year or so after it opened in Hudson NH. It got very good volume for a year up there. I shopped there until 6 months ago as it just has gone downhill as they lost more and more customers. I switched to Hannaford and they are just as good as Market basket right now.
Paul

AOL

#87 Nov 21, 2012
Do some price comparison now,Hannaford and Shaws are way higher than MB on everything!
Korp

Boston, MA

#88 Nov 21, 2012
It isn't everything; maybe exclusively to the deli when you talk Stop and Shop. With double coupons and Stop and Shop's deals on buying multiple items in the same traction, I've gotten Kashi crackers (a healthier alternative to Triscuit) down to $1.50 by buying 4 or 5 at a time; lowest I've seen at Market Basket is $2.50. A lot of people perceive Hannaford to be priced much higher than it is but they have a more upscale selection like all natural deli meat (this is not carried at MB) but if you stick to the sale prices, it's the same. And let me know the value of your time standing in MB's weekend and holiday lines which can easily extend to be 20-30 minutes once you add deli and cash register waits. Some of the pricing difference is a function of better quality/size too. Sure, you can get 5 cucumbers for $1.99 at MB or you can get em for $.50 each at Hannaford but MB's are about 25% smaller.

And if you compare Trader Joe's is far cheaper on many natural items and wholesale clubs are far cheaper than MB too (some of the differences being 40%). I can get boneless skinless chicken for $1.77/lb at Sam's Club; at MB (and Hannaford and Stop and Shop too) it is $2.99/lb unless it is on sale.

I'll at least agree with you at Shaw's.
Florida Retiree

Tampa, FL

#89 Nov 24, 2012
Paul wrote:
Do some price comparison now,Hannaford and Shaws are way higher than MB on everything!
When finish, then go to Sam's for your meat and poultry and WalMart for the rest of your food order and you'll see a significant savings. DM meat is not chewable as well as the others. Try a Sam's Filet Mignon and you'll be hooked.

Since: Apr 12

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#90 Nov 26, 2012
Florida Retiree wrote:
<quoted text> When finish, then go to Sam's for your meat and poultry and WalMart for the rest of your food order and you'll see a significant savings. DM meat is not chewable as well as the others. Try a Sam's Filet Mignon and you'll be hooked.
Sams?? What are you kidding me? I make it a point to NEVER support Wal Mart!

Since: Apr 12

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#91 Nov 26, 2012
From someone whos worked at Market Basket AND Stop and Shop, I can give you people the rundown on how I think both are mostly on what they are like to work for or maybe a little bit about being a customer in both too.. Here goes:

Pros and cons to Market Basket:

Pros: A more European style supermarket that happened to expand as 1st generation Greek Americans ran it I believe, don't fully know but it seems like thats the case.

It has an authoritarian National Socialist type feel to it. If this ideology comes back into style, you can bet Market Basket will get huge by then as they will benefit off that even more. I think the general employee base is Pro European as well.. certainly not a bad thing as I tend to be as well.

People are nice and even though theres no benefits if you start at the front end, if you move up, you do get more so its not such a bad deal I suppose if you stick it out. I would have by now but I had to leave the area due to personal reasons but all in all it can be a nice experience if you do all the right things and it is a job after all.

Behind on technology.. most people will say its bad Market Basket doesn't advertise or use the internet or use high technological equipment, but this is actually what I like about them and this is actually what makes Market Basket alright in my book. We need less complicated structures, more simpler ways to do things.. you make more work for yourself by using the fanciest new gadgets often times.

They encourage that you aren't rude to customers of course and even look at them as you bag or whatever, but they do NOT and never will force anyone to be overly polite like some companies do OR better yet the Texas Market Basket does this very well or Bel Air in CA does.. Thank god I don't have to say "Have a nice day" in a fake tone to customers as I am sure in MA, they'd complain about me for doing that. Be real, its the Massachusetts way after all.

Cheap prices, good products and deli items. I believe they exclusively have a seafood dip they kept getting in there for potato chips as well but they have like seafood and lobster dip.. I never seen it in Stop and Shop though or Hannaford or anywhere else.

I worked with this drunk guy, even though he was annoying trying to ask me to do his jobs for him, it provided entertainment especially when he stood outside drinking all the time but when the managers caught him, he was in trouble. Sometimes it was the highlight of the day though. He was out there and was like How ya doin? nice day today... while he was drinking trying to hide it in his juice bottle.

Cons:

Restrictive in dress code and you have to shave regularly, but if you can get past this again, not a bad place to be and the work isn't really that hard so.. give or take right?

Too cheap. Again though, it is an old fashioned style market and even with expansion, it will always be this way... no fancy equipment so again, give or take.

One thing I didn't like about MB, its a small thing about the job but if you work at the front end, they have you get gas for their own parking lot vacuum because they are too cheap to pay someone to do it so I drove across the street with my car and filled the gas container up and if I smelled like gasoline in front of customers oh my. So yes I didn't like that part about it at all.

Too many managers at the HS level. It seemed like they were always giving someone a blue and maroon jacket like it was a competition.. I don't care to compete sorry!

Since: Apr 12

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#92 Nov 26, 2012
Onto Stop and Stop Chelmsford location now:

Pros:

Liberal dress code. You could wear jeans if you wanted along with the S&S collar shirt. You also could grow a beard if you wanted, same with Trader Joes. I like the woodsman look sometimes. I looked grunge like that in HS so I kinda looked like that on the job with long sideburns lol.

Clean store, nice overall feel in a good location right outside of Chelmsford Center.

Cons:

Most managers seemed rude, workers at the time didn't seem too interested in meeting anyone new either. Its Chimsford don't forget lol.

Douchebag kids from Nashoba Tech sometimes drove by when I was out there doing my job trying to start crap with me.

Less of the Boston feel but that goes for most Chelmsford businesses.
Korp

Boston, MA

#93 Nov 26, 2012
GiovanniTheGreat wrote:
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Sams?? What are you kidding me? I make it a point to NEVER support Wal Mart!
The point is Sam's operates so efficiently that there really is negligible amount of labor to put product on the shelf to sell. Many of the products available at Sam's is easily 30% off MB pricing; although 20% of what they sell is about the same price. They may be a bit ahead of what MB pays for part timers too just starting out.

If you are concerned about how companies treat their workers, go to Trader Joe's. Part timers start at $10 an hour and many earn $15-$17/hr after just a few years with the company. Assistant managers make $80k/yr and managers make $120k/yr on average, which is unheard of in retail.

There really hasn't been much of a comparison on pricing against other stores like MB because TJ's carries much better quality product but the fact is TJ's has lower pricing more often than higher pricing on their products. MB sells those fruit bars for $2.99 (at best) for a 16.5 ounce package; they may sell a pack of 6 and you get 4 at TJ's but they are bigger bars and they weigh out to be a slightly smaller package at 16 ounces total for $1.99. That is a huge difference. For ice cream, a lot of what they put out is comparable to Ben and Jerry's and sells for $3.99-$4.49/quart. There is organic soy vanilla ice cream at $3.29 per quart; although Stonyfield's frozen yogurt is along the lines of this but a bit different, it is on the same idea and sells for $2.69/pint at MB. Even at the NH price of $3.49 for Charles Shaw wine ($2.99 is MA's price), I can't think of a better value at MB. MB can't hold a candle to the selection and pricing on TJ's nuts plus TJ's has a better selection of salt free nuts as I need to keep sodium down in my diet. I haven't seen anything come close to TJ's herb dough at $1.19/pound package. Plus, the TJ's Joe Joe's (their version of an Oreo) has a better mix of ingredients and isn't anymore expensive than what other stores charge for Oreos.

Since: Apr 12

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#94 Dec 9, 2012
Korp wrote:
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The point is Sam's operates so efficiently that there really is negligible amount of labor to put product on the shelf to sell. Many of the products available at Sam's is easily 30% off MB pricing; although 20% of what they sell is about the same price. They may be a bit ahead of what MB pays for part timers too just starting out.
If you are concerned about how companies treat their workers, go to Trader Joe's. Part timers start at $10 an hour and many earn $15-$17/hr after just a few years with the company. Assistant managers make $80k/yr and managers make $120k/yr on average, which is unheard of in retail.
There really hasn't been much of a comparison on pricing against other stores like MB because TJ's carries much better quality product but the fact is TJ's has lower pricing more often than higher pricing on their products. MB sells those fruit bars for $2.99 (at best) for a 16.5 ounce package; they may sell a pack of 6 and you get 4 at TJ's but they are bigger bars and they weigh out to be a slightly smaller package at 16 ounces total for $1.99. That is a huge difference. For ice cream, a lot of what they put out is comparable to Ben and Jerry's and sells for $3.99-$4.49/quart. There is organic soy vanilla ice cream at $3.29 per quart; although Stonyfield's frozen yogurt is along the lines of this but a bit different, it is on the same idea and sells for $2.69/pint at MB. Even at the NH price of $3.49 for Charles Shaw wine ($2.99 is MA's price), I can't think of a better value at MB. MB can't hold a candle to the selection and pricing on TJ's nuts plus TJ's has a better selection of salt free nuts as I need to keep sodium down in my diet. I haven't seen anything come close to TJ's herb dough at $1.19/pound package. Plus, the TJ's Joe Joe's (their version of an Oreo) has a better mix of ingredients and isn't anymore expensive than what other stores charge for Oreos.
Well Trader Joes seems just as hard to get into as Newbury Comics was when I was back east. I don't think you will get TJ to come into towns where Market Basket dominates though because many people in MA are set in their ways and like their MB's to shop at. TJ does have good value for how expensive some say it is. Some stuff is but the bargains you do get I'd say can beat MB.

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