Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

Nov 30, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CBS2

The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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Each individual is free to conceptualize marriage for themselves, any way they choose.

But legally, marriage is a fundamental right of the individual.

The only eligibility requirement for fundamental rights is being human.

Reasonable restrictions may be made only when a compelling and legitimate governmental interest can withstand judicial scrutiny. Most can agree with the courts that reasonable restrictions include age, ability to demonstrate informed consent, and not being closely related or currently married. Within those limits, gay people qualify.

While churches may place any restrictions they choose on their own ceremonies, the government can only restrict fundamental rights when a compelling and legitimate justification can be demonstrated.

Procreation ability has never been a requirement for marriage, and therefore fails as a legitimate qualification. Yet even that irrational excuse for discrimination ignores the fact that gay people can and do reproduce, and are raising children either biologically related or adopted. Denial of equal treatment under the law provides nothing to opposite sex couple families. It only harms same sex couple families needlessly.

Gay couples are seeking equally under the laws in effect, in the remaining states that do not yet recognize their marriages, and by the federal government.

Neither tradition nor gender provides a legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of this fundamental right.

As Justice Kennedy wrote about the founding fathers: "They knew times can blind us to certain truths and later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress."

Laws that treat gay people less than equal to straight people are laws that only serve to oppress. It is time to overcome the prejudices we were taught as children and stop harming our neighbors and family members by passing laws that dehumanize and harm gay citizens through denial of the legal equality promised in the founding documents and required by the 5th and 14th amendments to the constitution..
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KiMare wrote:
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Now you are losing it...
Snicker.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, In Valentine vote,Illinois Senate "APPROVES" Gay marriage! So you see Mr./Mrs./Ms. Mangina equality marches on! And there is simply nothing you can do to stop it! It's the right thing to do and the Constitutional thing to do! Your existence is "Moot"! Move along now little "IT"!
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Be specific, what don't you understand (smile);
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Giving up already???

SMile.
The sentence you keep parroting makes no sense. Constraint on evolutionary mating behavior? Marriage constrains nothing, married people can and do mate with others.

Care to cite some UNBIASED studies that say gay marriages are bad environments in which to raise children?
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I wonder how long it'll take the Neo-Nazi Far Right Christians to mobilize against this? It's just letting gays be married, what's the big freaking deal? I'm straight, and see no harm to society.
one nation under God that is America. Many folks put God first a and for those that do not that is their choice. However there are consequences to choices we make.
We Christians do tolerate all other choices however we are standing against being forced to approve, promote and otherwise advocate the choices they choose.----We are hated for our stand but that is okay. Stand with God's word we will till Jesus comes.
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just facts wrote:
<quoted text>one nation under God that is America. Many folks put God first a and for those that do not that is their choice. However there are consequences to choices we make.
We Christians do tolerate all other choices however we are standing against being forced to approve, promote and otherwise advocate the choices they choose.----We are hated for our stand but that is okay. Stand with God's word we will till Jesus comes.

I see your "One Nation Under God" and raise you "separation of church and state"

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Each individual is free to conceptualize marriage for themselves, any way they choose.
But legally, marriage is a fundamental right of the individual.
The only eligibility requirement for fundamental rights is being human.
I don't think your really thought about that assertion...

Most importantly, it makes the word marriage meaningless.

Second, it is not even legally true.

Third, you set your own prejudicial parameters without legitimate cause.

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Not Yet Equal wrote:
Each individual is free to conceptualize marriage for themselves, any way they choose.
But legally, marriage is a fundamental right of the individual.
The only eligibility requirement for fundamental rights is being human.
Reasonable restrictions may be made only when a compelling and legitimate governmental interest can withstand judicial scrutiny. Most can agree with the courts that reasonable restrictions include age, ability to demonstrate informed consent, and not being closely related or currently married. Within those limits, gay people qualify.
While churches may place any restrictions they choose on their own ceremonies, the government can only restrict fundamental rights when a compelling and legitimate justification can be demonstrated.
Procreation ability has never been a requirement for marriage, and therefore fails as a legitimate qualification. Yet even that irrational excuse for discrimination ignores the fact that gay people can and do reproduce, and are raising children either biologically related or adopted. Denial of equal treatment under the law provides nothing to opposite sex couple families. It only harms same sex couple families needlessly.
Gay couples are seeking equally under the laws in effect, in the remaining states that do not yet recognize their marriages, and by the federal government.
Neither tradition nor gender provides a legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of this fundamental right.
As Justice Kennedy wrote about the founding fathers: "They knew times can blind us to certain truths and later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress."
Laws that treat gay people less than equal to straight people are laws that only serve to oppress. It is time to overcome the prejudices we were taught as children and stop harming our neighbors and family members by passing laws that dehumanize and harm gay citizens through denial of the legal equality promised in the founding documents and required by the 5th and 14th amendments to the constitution..
As to the rest of your post;

SCOTUS has disagreed numerous times, not on a moral basis ever.

The differences between marriage with/without kids and gay couples;
A apple tree bearing fruit.
A apple tree not bearing fruit for some reason.
A walnut tree who never bears any fruit wanting to be a apple tree.
A walnut tree hanging apples on it's branches pretending to be a apple tree.

The claim that if the government doesn't 'require' apple trees to bear fruit, then it is discrimination not to call walnut trees apple trees too is simply silly.

Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Gay couples do not just fail in the primary essence of marriage, out of all relationships, they are the oxymoron of marriage.

Moreover, if you remove the element of procreation, you dumb down marriage to just a friendship. Hardly a cause for government interest, let alone selective discrimination.

Smile.

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Some Never Came Home wrote:
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Meanwhile back at the ranch, In Valentine vote,Illinois Senate "APPROVES" Gay marriage! So you see Mr./Mrs./Ms. Mangina equality marches on! And there is simply nothing you can do to stop it! It's the right thing to do and the Constitutional thing to do! Your existence is "Moot"! Move along now little "IT"!
However, the state of IL is about to collapse on the stupidity and corruption of it's politicians...

Short march I'd guess...

Snicker.

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squish wrote:
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The sentence you keep parroting makes no sense. Constraint on evolutionary mating behavior? Marriage constrains nothing, married people can and do mate with others.
Care to cite some UNBIASED studies that say gay marriages are bad environments in which to raise children?
Did someone squish your brain?

In other words, some married people break their vows and commit adultery? Isn't that a violation of the constraint of marriage?

I did site an unbiased study. The Regnerus study is the latest, largest, and most scientific study to date on seven family types.

It was professionally exonerated by peers of every single charge.

Lesbian couples rank last, behind single parents. Simply the fact jack.

Smile.

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I see your "One Nation Under God" and raise you "separation of church and state"
And I trump it with free speech.

Smirk.
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KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>Did someone squish your brain?

In other words, some married people break their vows and commit adultery? Isn't that a violation of the constraint of marriage?

I did site an unbiased study. The Regnerus study is the latest, largest, and most scientific study to date on seven family types.

It was professionally exonerated by peers of every single charge.

Lesbian couples rank last, behind single parents. Simply the fact jack.

Smile.
Your citation is not the latest, and as for the rest: http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/10/30/1110...

Ever heard of open marriage? Not every marriage is about monogamy, and that's not illegal.
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<quoted text>And I trump it with free speech.

Smirk.
What does free speech have to do with marriage?

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one nation under God that is America. Many folks put God first a and for those that do not that is their choice. However there are consequences to choices we make.
We Christians do tolerate all other choices however we are standing against being forced to approve, promote and otherwise advocate the choices they choose.----We are hated for our stand but that is okay. Stand with God's word we will till Jesus comes.
Why would you be opposed to gay and lesbian couples entering into legal, committed relationships?
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JUST GOOGLE: gay pride parade
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Why would you be opposed to gay and lesbian couples entering into legal, committed relationships?

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JUST GOOGLE: gay pride parade
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What does any parade have to do with the millions of gay people who did not attend it?

Do we also prevent straight people form legally marrying because of "girls gone wild" videos, spring break footage, and Mardi gras celebrations?

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And I trump it with free speech.
Smirk.
You can say what you wish, as always.

But when you support the creation of laws that are designed only to discriminate against people you don't like, where there is no rational state interest interest in that discrimination, expect a fight.

And history has shown it is a fight you will lose.

Nothing to smirk about, there.

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I don't think your really thought about that assertion...
Most importantly, it makes the word marriage meaningless.
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How can a word be rendered meaningless?

Isn't the purpose of all words to label something?

Now, if you are trying to say that something will render your own marriage meaningless, or your own concept of marriage meaningless, that sounds more like a personal problem.

You can't blame others for that sort of thing.

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A apple tree bearing fruit.
A apple tree not bearing fruit for some reason.
A walnut tree who never bears any fruit wanting to be a apple tree.
A walnut tree hanging apples on it's branches pretending to be a apple tree.
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We've asked you before where your fruit and nut theory is codified into current marriage law.

You have not yet supplied any valid references.

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KiMare wrote:
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It was professionally exonerated by peers of every single charge.
Lesbian couples rank last, behind single parents. Simply the fact jack.
Smile.
There is no valid peer-reviewed study that shows any such thing, as you well know.

You need to explain, in detail, how allowing those lesbian couples to legally marry would make it worse for their children. How does having legally married parents make any child's life worse?

When talking about marriage and children here, we aren't talking about who is allowed to raise a child - that's already encoded in law and isn't going to change.

We are only discussing whether or not having legally married parents is beneficial or harmful to a child.

Make your case.

Valid stats only, please.
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Spring break,Mardi gras etc... are NOT Straight Pride Parades.
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What does any parade have to do with the millions of gay people who did not attend it?
Do we also prevent straight people form legally marrying because of "girls gone wild" videos, spring break footage, and Mardi gras celebrations?

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