Muslims feel uncomfortable in hospita...

Muslims feel uncomfortable in hospitals ...

There are 201 comments on the southtownstar.suntimes.com story from May 16, 2013, titled Muslims feel uncomfortable in hospitals .... In it, southtownstar.suntimes.com reports that:

A state regulatory board indicated it plans to reject a plan to build a Muslim-friendly surgery center in southwest suburban Orland Park.

But several board members said they sympathize with a problem they hadn’t realized exists: the discomfort that followers of Islam — especially modesty-conscious Muslim women — feel about using any of the existing hospitals ...

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dash

Faisalabad, Pakistan

#145 May 23, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Can you quote the verse that says this? Thank you.
u qouted 9.5 n not 9.6 thatsays

(6. And if anyone of the Mushrikin seeks your protection then grant him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur'an) and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.)
dash

Faisalabad, Pakistan

#146 May 23, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Does it mean the peace one attains when they submit to the will of Allah or does it mean non violence like the word peace usually means?
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Since when does anybody dislike fighting for their rights or fighting to protect themselves or their family? The only time some people dislike fighting is when it is offensive fighting rather than defensive and they think that offensive fighting is unnecessary. That's what was going on in that verse.
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Sura 9:5
"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them,"
It says wherever YOU find THEM, it doesn't say if THEY find YOU and attack you.
"and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush,"
Lie in wait for them in ambush. Does this sound like defensive fighting to you?
"then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
If they become Muslims, then leave them alone.
The meaning of this verse is quite clear. There are many many more that I can provide. Have you ever even read the Quran? I'm beginning to think that you haven't.
there is a whole background of this verse . muslims n mushrikins had a treaty during that treaty mushrikins did every possible harm to muslims thats why Allah told muslims that after the sacred month u can give them what they deserve! muslims were so nice that during that treaty they never did anything to mushrikins!
sick of it

Adams, NY

#147 May 23, 2013
dash wrote:
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we are learning reading asking n understanding islam since our births. so yes these things might seem awful when seen superficially! there are some reasons for the facts u wrote so opposingly.although u wont accept the resons as well.
women are protected in islam . yes islam does protect me. im a women n a doctor n respected by men in hospitals.
when i walk in a local bus men of my society do give me seat even if they have to stand up for the rest of their travel just because im a women . if im walking in a jam packed bazar no man dare touch me ! so thats the respect i get . does that happen in america ?
Just because you supposedly have reasons for denying people all kinds of human rights is NOT an excuse for denying people those rights. Human rights are human rights, and rationalization does not excuse violating these rights. Islam protects you. Horsesh*t. Islam oppresses you, denies you rights, and you're so cowed and beaten that you accept it. Embrace it, even. You poor stupid cow.
dash

Faisalabad, Pakistan

#148 May 23, 2013
sick of it wrote:
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Just because you supposedly have reasons for denying people all kinds of human rights is NOT an excuse for denying people those rights. Human rights are human rights, and rationalization does not excuse violating these rights. Islam protects you. Horsesh*t. Islam oppresses you, denies you rights, and you're so cowed and beaten that you accept it. Embrace it, even. You poor stupid cow.
plzz ellaborate ur human rights that u feel i dont have! u think its basic right of every women to show men their body parts!
im not denying any one 's rights u big [email protected] i never said this . plzz get ur iq level checked i feel u are a MORON!
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#149 May 23, 2013
dash wrote:
<quoted text> plzz ellaborate ur human rights that u feel i dont have! u think its basic right of every women to show men their body parts!
If they choose to. It's up to them. They aren't allowed to be publicly naked, but if they want to dress in a slutty fashion, that's their right to. People might not have much respect for them and they usually don't, but you can't force them to dress the way YOU want.
dash

Faisalabad, Pakistan

#150 May 23, 2013
^^ thats what happens in pak too but muslim girls are mostly modest . if they dont wanna wear burka nobody forces them but they wear good clothes covering all the body parts . there are sluts here too! u cant change them . everyperson's not the same n they are not meant to !
sick of it

Adams, NY

#151 May 23, 2013
dash wrote:
<quoted text> plzz ellaborate ur human rights that u feel i dont have! u think its basic right of every women to show men their body parts!
im not denying any one 's rights u big [email protected] i never said this . plzz get ur iq level checked i feel u are a MORON!
Your cult DOES deny people rights; you just can't admit it, or you're too foolish and brainwashed to see it. What if it was warm and you wanted to go hijab-free or burka-free to escape the heat? You would not be allowed to do this. What if your father died and you wanted to get just as much money from the estate as your brothers? You would not be allowed to do this because of ISLAM. Thus, your rightful inheritance is denied you. What if you wanted to testify against a man who had wronged you? A man's testimony carries twice the weight of a female...so the male would be believed before you would, even if the male was a liar. And YOU think this is fair and good? And this happens because of ISLAM. Men are allowed to beat their wives 'lightly', but you are not allowed to beat your husband if he is being a jerk. This is not fair, and this is ISLAM. Suppose you and your husband get divorced. Your husband automatically gets the children, even if he is a worthless idiot. Why does he get the children? Because intolerant islam, expressed through Shariah law, says he does. This is not fair, and this is ISLAM.

You support islam, so you are complicit in denying these rights to others. If you think islam is right, then you think denying rights to people is the right thing to do. You need to do a lot more reflection about your cult and stop just accepting everything that the imam tries to cram into your head. My IQ level is fine; I think you might need a muslim version of the test though...the regular test doesn't go low enough to suit the typical muslim's needs and abilities.
dash

Faisalabad, Pakistan

#152 May 23, 2013
sick of it wrote:
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Your cult DOES deny people rights; you just can't admit it, or you're too foolish and brainwashed to see it. What if it was warm and you wanted to go hijab-free or burka-free to escape the heat? You would not be allowed to do this. What if your father died and you wanted to get just as much money from the estate as your brothers? You would not be allowed to do this because of ISLAM. Thus, your rightful inheritance is denied you. What if you wanted to testify against a man who had wronged you? A man's testimony carries twice the weight of a female...so the male would be believed before you would, even if the male was a liar. And YOU think this is fair and good? And this happens because of ISLAM. Men are allowed to beat their wives 'lightly', but you are not allowed to beat your husband if he is being a jerk. This is not fair, and this is ISLAM. Suppose you and your husband get divorced. Your husband automatically gets the children, even if he is a worthless idiot. Why does he get the children? Because intolerant islam, expressed through Shariah law, says he does. This is not fair, and this is ISLAM.
You support islam, so you are complicit in denying these rights to others. If you think islam is right, then you think denying rights to people is the right thing to do. You need to do a lot more reflection about your cult and stop just accepting everything that the imam tries to cram into your head. My IQ level is fine; I think you might need a muslim version of the test though...the regular test doesn't go low enough to suit the typical muslim's needs and abilities.
u are living in 19th century ! i dont wear burka n its not necessary .all thats needed is u should be covered by what ever material! n we could beat our husbands that depends on types of husband n the attitude of women if she is hot tempered , u know!
n now adays U DONT WANT TESTIMONY FROM MALE OR FEMALE FOR EVIDENCE FORENSIC TESTS ARE ENOUGH TO PROVE RAPE OR VIOLENCE !
IF A WOMEN GET DIVORCED CHILD IS IN HER CUSTODY FOR 12 YEARS AFTER THIS ITS CHILD'S WISH !

so CAVE MAN come out of ur cave !
that proves i have better iq then urs!:p
oh well

Chicago, IL

#153 May 23, 2013
I have no respect for Muslim woman because they have no respect for themselves. Having to cover every body part so men don't see it. Also the fact that dogs are treated better than Muslim woman by Muslim men.
dash

Faisalabad, Pakistan

#154 May 23, 2013
oh well wrote:
I have no respect for Muslim woman because they have no respect for themselves. Having to cover every body part so men don't see it. Also the fact that dogs are treated better than Muslim woman by Muslim men.
what r u taking abt! ur kinds dont even respect their mothers!
muslim women dont need it from u ! they give u a [email protected]
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#155 May 23, 2013
dash wrote:
^^ thats what happens in pak too but muslim girls are mostly modest . if they dont wanna wear burka nobody forces them but they wear good clothes covering all the body parts . there are sluts here too! u cant change them . everyperson's not the same n they are not meant to !
Okay, so you understand. The west is not as bad as they tell you and what you see on TV or commercials. If a woman dresses slutty, men won't complain, they'll look, but they also won't try to rape her because they can't control themselves. There's always exceptions, but far less than you think, and if they do something like that, they run a great risk of being punished very badly. And the woman doesn't have to bring four witnesses to prove it under the assumption that she is always stupid and her testimony is not trustworthy like in Muslim culture. It's a lot easier to prove for women in the west and their testimony is not worth half of a man's.

But even a lot of men won't have any real respect for that woman and the other women will call her a slut. It's not nearly what people might tell you, but I know that Muslim countries have a history of immediately painting the US as evil and they paint this whole false picture for you so that they can control you and keep you in Islam.

It's just freedom, and people with the right common sense know what to do, and then there are stupid ones that don't. There's problems with freedom, but people can change that anytime they want, but the benefits outweigh the problems. When I see a woman in the US with a hijab on during the summer, I think it's really stupid looking. Old women wear things like this when it's cold to keep the heat from escaping their head like anybody else wears a hat. But for women to wear that just to make a statement that they are different and not slutty, is stupid. But I don't tell her to take it off, I just kind of shake my head and kind of laugh.

Plenty of women dress conservatively, and believe me, I'm happy that "some" do, such as heavier women (inside joke). But they don't have to wear a stupid, unnecessary scarf over their head. It simply looks dumb and unnecessary. But it's THEIR decision and nobody has the right to tell them how to dress so that they won't offend you. If you don't like it, then don't look and ignore her. Nobody forces you to look.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#156 May 23, 2013
dash wrote:
Quran says fight for your rights with terrorists , killers ,rapists , haters ,gangsters.
You said it better than I ever could, loser.
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#157 May 23, 2013
Only one name under Heaven given...
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...
oh well

Chicago, IL

#158 May 23, 2013
dash wrote:
<quoted text>what r u taking abt! ur kinds dont even respect their mothers!
muslim women dont need it from u ! they give u a [email protected]
My kind? Humans...Unlike what Muslim men treat their spouses like?! Trust me I don't and will never give the respect. You dirty scum of the earth Muslim!
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#159 May 23, 2013
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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You said it better than I ever could, loser.
And she seems like she is one of the good ones, so pay attention to what happens when the right questions are asked and their real ideas and feelings come out. Even from the good ones with peaceful smiles on their face. This is what I have been trying to do. It's all there, but it's hidden beneath half truths they tell you, and nobody bothers to probe any more deeply. But it's there. It's there in all of them because it's there in their scriptures. And like I said to you earlier, make no mistake, Islam is EVERYTHING to them, not an optional philosophical concept as some are able to treat Judaism and Christianity as. It is a complete way of life that is even far more political and legal than it is religious. There is no give to Caesar what is his and give to God what is his in their religion.

It is injustice whenever Allah's rule does not rule the land, and even if they can't do anything about that right now, it is always on their mind. It HAS to be because this is what their scriptures tell them. And it is called a religion of justice. And this religion is very very specific, so there is little hope in it being reformed because there is no room or ambiguities to do that in their religion.

The Catholic church sucked, even if they have reformed, but at least they could be reformed because Jesus never told them to do anything of the things that they did. But the same cannot be said for Islam. It's an entirely different ballgame. And when Muslims perceive injustice, such as Allah's law not ruling the land, it's fight fight fight. Even if that means starting the fight in verbal ways or little backdoor ways until they gain enough power to do this in front door ways.

They cannot think any differently because their scriptures require them to do so. So if they behave differently, it's only because they can't do what is on their minds yet. Yet.
See the light

El Paso, TX

#160 May 23, 2013
Just wondering what Muslim's will do when the next President doesn't kiss their butt.
best buy

East Greenwich, RI

#161 May 23, 2013
Basil Muhammad wrote:
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Muslims practice a higher styandard of hygeine than Westerners.
They wash their asses, not wipe with paper.
Muhammad said wipe your butt with an odd number of stones.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbik9p_muham...
best buy

East Greenwich, RI

#162 May 23, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Yes, because Muslim men can't control themselves, so women have to suffer because of this and can't wear whatever they feel like.
An imam in Australia said that women who are not covered up is like putting uncovered meat in front of a cat.
dash

Faisalabad, Pakistan

#163 May 24, 2013
Seeker
I nevrr told u I'm the good one I'm a very ordinay person! U know a lot about islam but u are like that oily pot that's never gonna get wet with water
U are nevr going to absorb it no matter how much u read it. I told u not to bang ur head in unknown paths! Just keep straight!
I'm not a good muslum either! N I'm not prrfect.

Let us live with our ways, u can't change us as we can't change u! Stop fighting like nuts in front of screens , get some life there are billions of other prob out there, n islam's doesn't have to do anything with your lives try to solve other problems this prob gonna solve itself!
Half of the ppl sitting n posting in this forum are totallt unemployed!

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#164 May 24, 2013
best buy wrote:
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An imam in Australia said that women who are not covered up is like putting uncovered meat in front of a cat.
I remember that nut. Is he still in Australia?

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