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Case of bullied teen who killed himself goes to Ohio Supreme Court | The Columbus Dispatch

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The Ohio Supreme Court will hear an estate case involving a bullied teen who killed himself.

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Kermit Snow

Box Elder, MT

#1 Jan 31, 2011
I think the parents have a right to sue the school, if as they say, the teachers and school officials knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it. This type of behavior has been in the news a long time and schools need to take action to stop it. They need to take action against the students doing the bullying and if that doesn't help, they need to take some type of action against the parents.
It must stop

Dublin, OH

#2 Jan 31, 2011
These kind of stories make me so sad. I pray for peace.
it isnt about that

Columbus, OH

#3 Jan 31, 2011
While I agree parents should be able to take action against schools when this behavior is allowed, it isn't always that simple. Plus, this case is about something else...there was no established estate for the kid when his parents filed the suit. It's a probate issue right now - not an immunity issue.
Will Burns

United States

#4 Jan 31, 2011
Why does a state court get to decide on the merits, rules, time, etc on a Federal suite. Shouldn't the judges in the Federal court decide that?
Not a federal case

Columbus, OH

#5 Jan 31, 2011
This is a state case filed in the Ohio courts. And, sometimes Federal cases do get sent back to state court for clarification on state law.
Muscle

Columbus, OH

#6 Jan 31, 2011
My question is did the boy tell his parents. If so what did they do?
dude

Columbus, OH

#8 Jan 31, 2011
Kermit Snow wrote:
I think the parents have a right to sue the school, if as they say, the teachers and school officials knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it. This type of behavior has been in the news a long time and schools need to take action to stop it. They need to take action against the students doing the bullying and if that doesn't help, they need to take some type of action against the parents.
So they are going to sue the school system which is already broke, who ultimately get paid by the citizens. I didn't bully this kid. Did the parents do anything to prevent this. Does every kid who gets bullied get to sue the school?

It's like the chicken and the egg. What came first? School or bullies. They have always been there and always will be despite how many p.s.a celebrities put out.
Reader

United States

#9 Jan 31, 2011
This story had previously been reported well by the Cleveland Plain Dealer. I'm surprised his sister isn't a party to the lawsuit. The school district may well be broke however we must make sure our teachers are receiving the most excellent benefits no matter how badly it hurts those paying the taxes.
Michael

Chillicothe, OH

#11 Jan 31, 2011
In my opinion, if the school administration did nothing to report the bullies activities to their parents, then yes they should be held 100% accountable. School should be a safe place for ALL students. Any bullying of any type should not be allowed to continue.
Deb N

Lima, OH

#12 Jan 31, 2011
Bullying is out of control in schools right now. Heck when I was in school kids did the same thing I know, but they didn't have the internet and other ways to bully along with what was going on in school. I do think that they should be able to sue the school district, if indeed the teachers and staff knew what was going on and did nothing. I'm not sure about the estate thing, cause I'm not a lawyer, but I do think they should be able to sue for the loss of their son.
Wake Up Parents

Zanesville, OH

#13 Jan 31, 2011
Ultimately, it is the parents' job to know what is going on in their children's school lives and to defend their children against bullying. That means getting involved and getting in the face of other parents and law enforcement when necessary.
hamburger pimp

Columbus, OH

#14 Jan 31, 2011
Public school = prison for kids until they're old enough to get a job (ha ha, what job?).
Reader

Columbus, OH

#15 Jan 31, 2011
Wake Up Parents wrote:
Ultimately, it is the parents' job to know what is going on in their children's school lives and to defend their children against bullying. That means getting involved and getting in the face of other parents and law enforcement when necessary.
So your stance is that parents are expected to know everything that goes on during the school day, and to resolve any problems outside of school. Meanwhile, school officials, who have a legal responsibility to know what is happening in their schools, and specifically to respond to put an end to any known bullying, have a lesser responsibility?

Nice logic there.
Really Come on

New York, NY

#16 Jan 31, 2011
Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
So your stance is that parents are expected to know everything that goes on during the school day, and to resolve any problems outside of school. Meanwhile, school officials, who have a legal responsibility to know what is happening in their schools, and specifically to respond to put an end to any known bullying, have a lesser responsibility?
Nice logic there.
So wait, what you are saying is the 1 administrator to 75 kids ratio is supposed to monitor without cameras and electronic devices every single child on every foot of ground the school owns ? And yet every child should have a mother and a father. So 1 adult to 75 kids vs 1 kid to 2 parents ?
This suicide crap is just another example of our country's demise. when does personal responsibility kick in ? should the child have died ? no. that is a tragedy. but if mom and dad spent time with the kid he would have confided in them. tell me my child has an issue with someone at school i will spend every waking moment to be sure it's taken care of. should he have died ? no. but as a child i was bullied and beat up very frequently. i had no father and grew up half asian in an all white school. but i'll tell you, i never once thought about killing my self. does the school hold some blame, if they were notified and failed, certainly. Do they need more teachers ? absolutely. they parents are greiving, as they should. but they are as much to blame as the school they want to bankrupt and ruin so all the rest of the children in the system can suffer because they failed as parents.
Robert from UA

Mount Morris, MI

#17 Jan 31, 2011
Couldn't agree with 'really come on' any more. Hit the nail on the head there. These kids and their parents need to take responsibility. Suing the school and making every other child life less rewarding won't bring the child back. If you really wanted to fix the problem they would get out and help instead of suing. That would actually fix the situation. The school didn't cause now force the suicide.off they want to sue someone they should sue the parents of the child who was the bully.

Since: Dec 09

Austin, TX

#18 Jan 31, 2011
Kids don't always tell parents what is going on...even when they are asked directly. The school does have some responsibility, as they are responsible for the child's care when the child is out of the parents' care. Remember, school is compulsary, meaning required by law. So, unless the parents can afford and want to home school, then the school has to take some responsibility for occurrances in the child's life and communicating that to the parents. Of course, just like parents, the child may not tell the school everything that is going on either...and bullying isn't usually something that occurs in full view of school officials.
Really Come on wrote:
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So wait, what you are saying is the 1 administrator to 75 kids ratio is supposed to monitor without cameras and electronic devices every single child on every foot of ground the school owns ? And yet every child should have a mother and a father. So 1 adult to 75 kids vs 1 kid to 2 parents ?
This suicide crap is just another example of our country's demise. when does personal responsibility kick in ? should the child have died ? no. that is a tragedy. but if mom and dad spent time with the kid he would have confided in them. tell me my child has an issue with someone at school i will spend every waking moment to be sure it's taken care of. should he have died ? no. but as a child i was bullied and beat up very frequently. i had no father and grew up half asian in an all white school. but i'll tell you, i never once thought about killing my self. does the school hold some blame, if they were notified and failed, certainly. Do they need more teachers ? absolutely. they parents are greiving, as they should. but they are as much to blame as the school they want to bankrupt and ruin so all the rest of the children in the system can suffer because they failed as parents.
Bobcat33024

Hollywood, FL

#19 Jan 31, 2011
What a typical lawyer type answer; not a "yes" or "no" on the issue if the school did nothing to stop the bullying but that "the estate didn't exist at the time the suit was filed".....
Irish Curse

Pickerington, OH

#20 Jan 31, 2011
Hey its probably good that Ohio is cuting public school funding nearly everywhere. 1 teacher to 40+ students in classroom shoud do fine. But hey at least residents aren't paying increased property taxes.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#21 Jan 31, 2011
Really Come on wrote:
<quoted text>
So wait, what you are saying is the 1 administrator to 75 kids ratio is supposed to monitor without cameras and electronic devices every single child on every foot of ground the school owns ? And yet every child should have a mother and a father. So 1 adult to 75 kids vs 1 kid to 2 parents ?
This suicide crap is just another example of our country's demise. when does personal responsibility kick in ? should the child have died ? no. that is a tragedy. but if mom and dad spent time with the kid he would have confided in them. tell me my child has an issue with someone at school i will spend every waking moment to be sure it's taken care of. should he have died ? no. but as a child i was bullied and beat up very frequently. i had no father and grew up half asian in an all white school. but i'll tell you, i never once thought about killing my self. does the school hold some blame, if they were notified and failed, certainly. Do they need more teachers ? absolutely. they parents are greiving, as they should. but they are as much to blame as the school they want to bankrupt and ruin so all the rest of the children in the system can suffer because they failed as parents.
Despite considerable promotion of the contrary, mothers are not really psychic.

There are legal requirements for the reporting of any incidence of bullying. So the actual eyes available--even without working security cameras (although many schools and school buses do have them) is considerably greater than 1 adult per 75 children. Even greater than the roughly 1 per 25-30 per class. Any adult who knows of bullying is required to make a report to the principal. What typically happens, however, is that adults who are aware of bullying behavior dismiss it as being "normal" or a part of some two-way interaction in which both parties are at fault.

Further, schools have tended to resist the kinds of efforts that work to prevent bullying because it requires them to deal specifically with exactly the kinds of harassment that frequently underlies bullying. Because the adults are not ready or willing to accept that some people (including students) are gay, for instance, we hand out bland "everybody be nice" messages. Likewise, we have a hard time looking at racial issues or biases against immigrants.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#22 Jan 31, 2011
Robert from UA wrote:
Couldn't agree with 'really come on' any more. Hit the nail on the head there. These kids and their parents need to take responsibility. Suing the school and making every other child life less rewarding won't bring the child back. If you really wanted to fix the problem they would get out and help instead of suing. That would actually fix the situation. The school didn't cause now force the suicide.off they want to sue someone they should sue the parents of the child who was the bully.
Does UA stand for Upper Arlington?

If there ever was a place likely to turn a blind eye to bullying, it is UA, in my experience. I have known some great people to come out of UA, but I am also familiar with some very disturbing cultural trends when it comes to who is in and who is out and the degree to which this is normalized.

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