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Dec 27, 2012
 
One True Digger wrote:
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No it wouldn't. Punishment does not seem to be a deterrent. Most people would never commit a crime thinking that they are going to get caught. Those who do commit robberies are at the point of not caring what happens if they do get caught.
Prisons and jails are overflowing. If incarceration was enough to make them "think twice" then why is this the case?
Dig this Digger: If there was a law which was made known across the country that said that the automatic death penalty would follow soon after a person was convicted of killing by the gun there would be less killing by the gun. Of course our justice system would have to follow the law and do it every time. Killing a few gun killers soon after they were convicted would send an entirely different message that the criminal gets now. Some say that killing a killer by the state is cruel punishment and it is, but it is not as cruel as taking a human life of a person who did nothing to deserve death.

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Dec 27, 2012
 

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Dig this Digger: If there was a law which was made known across the country that said that the automatic death penalty would follow soon after a person was convicted of killing by the gun there would be less killing by the gun. Of course our justice system would have to follow the law and do it every time. Killing a few gun killers soon after they were convicted would send an entirely different message that the criminal gets now. Some say that killing a killer by the state is cruel punishment and it is, but it is not as cruel as taking a human life of a person who did nothing to deserve death.
Sounds like you're confusing state and federal jurisdiction.
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Dec 27, 2012
 
People kill people,no guns,no way,a criminal will find a different method,and it will never happen,the people would not lay down and take it,my point being you can kill by other means than a gun,homemade bombs,or whatever a gun is just a convenient way to get it done.as far as assault rifle,s in hunting they are not allowed,any firearm that holds more than 5 rounds is not allowed to hunt with,and as far as protection most go for a handgun not an assault rifle,me i personally prefer a double barrel shotgun,i don,t have to worry about missing,especially if i,m half asleep,and i know it doesn,t take a direct hit to get the job done,besides ammo.for assault(large cal) is to expensive,i can reload my shotgun shells and put what i want for the shot(rock salt can burn like hell) not ban assault rifle,s but keep a close record of who owns them and why,there are several laws on the books for owning assault rifle,s,special permits for one that i can think of.
Green Hornet

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Dec 28, 2012
 
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The most commonly used murder weapon in the US is the baseball bat. Let's ban them.
Tell that to the Chicago police.
Green Hornet

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People kill people,no guns,no way,a criminal will find a different method,and it will never happen,the people would not lay down and take it,my point being you can kill by other means than a gun,homemade bombs,or whatever a gun is just a convenient way to get it done.as far as assault rifle,s in hunting they are not allowed,any firearm that holds more than 5 rounds is not allowed to hunt with,and as far as protection most go for a handgun not an assault rifle,me i personally prefer a double barrel shotgun,i don,t have to worry about missing,especially if i,m half asleep,and i know it doesn,t take a direct hit to get the job done,besides ammo.for assault(large cal) is to expensive,i can reload my shotgun shells and put what i want for the shot(rock salt can burn like hell) not ban assault rifle,s but keep a close record of who owns them and why,there are several laws on the books for owning assault rifle,s,special permits for one that i can think of.
Marty, I agree with much that you say except the banning of assault rifles. I have a shotgun to protect my family and I would not want all guns banned. I would welcome a proceedure which would identify all legal gun and link them to their owners. I also would like legislation which would require gun owners to keep them under lock and key. That would protect us from accidential killings and it would help us avoid having guns fall into the hands of nuts who kill in mass. Criminals who use guns to rob and kill are another thing and really more of a problem to the people of this country than the occasional crazy. They kill every day. Laws making guns used in crime a more serious crime demanding more punishment would help, but would not cure this problem. I favor a national law in this regard.

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Dec 28, 2012
 
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Marty, I agree with much that you say except the banning of assault rifles. I have a shotgun to protect my family and I would not want all guns banned. I would welcome a proceedure which would identify all legal gun and link them to their owners. I also would like legislation which would require gun owners to keep them under lock and key. That would protect us from accidential killings and it would help us avoid having guns fall into the hands of nuts who kill in mass. Criminals who use guns to rob and kill are another thing and really more of a problem to the people of this country than the occasional crazy. They kill every day. Laws making guns used in crime a more serious crime demanding more punishment would help, but would not cure this problem. I favor a national law in this regard.
Again you seem to be confusing state and federal jurisdiction. What is a "national law"?
Sherlock Holmes

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Dec 29, 2012
 
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Again you seem to be confusing state and federal jurisdiction. What is a "national law"?
Elementary, my dear Digger. If you don't have the deductive powers to understand I can't tell you.

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Dec 29, 2012
 
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Elementary, my dear Digger. If you don't have the deductive powers to understand I can't tell you.
That's a failed clever attempt at saying "I don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about."

I assume that by "national law" what they mean is a federal law. For federal law to apply, the crime would need to fall under federal jurisdiction. Most robberies do not. In fact what most people think of as a "federal offense" really isn't unless certain conditions are met.

Someone robbing a couple in their home at gunpoint would not fall under federal law. Nor would someone robbing a Subway.

This would mean that each state would have to adopt the same law with the same punishment. Good luck with that!

Now deduce that, cocksucker.

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Dec 29, 2012
 
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What a bunch of bull. So the CIA kills school children? Do you believe in the Easter Bunny too?
My friend, many years ago I reacted the same way you did when I was told such things. Naturally I thought the person was a moron too. That is, until I decided to do some research on it to disprove my friend. After the first year I was convinced that he was right. Before denouncing my statement as BS you should at least check into it. And if you think the CIA doesn't assassinate people, or engage in false-flag events, you should watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Thanks to an ex-CIA whistleblower, the CIA were forced to produce an assassination pistol during U.S. Senate testimony in 1975. This pistol, referred to as a "heart attack gun", shoots a tiny, frozen poisonous dart into the victim - without it being felt - and the poison melts into the bloodstream and gives you a fatal heart attack. However, during the autopsy, the poison is undetectable and the result is that the person died of a natural heart attack.
If they had technology like that back then, imagine what they have now.

BTW, did you know that legitimate declassified CIA documents are available to the public? The CIA have admitted to doing things unimaginable, even killing children, and it's not because I say so, it's because they say so. You can make fun of me, but I am presenting well-documented proof of one of my allegations. There is so much more, too.

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#32
Dec 30, 2012
 
Yes a lot of this is true,i still believe the gov.had something to do with the kennedy assainations,a friend told me once while he was serving in vietnam that the gov. Ordered them to dispose of anyone who could be a threat to their safety,children included,our gov.is capable of anythng and we would never know it.there are several gun laws on assault/auto.weapons,these laws don,t always work and never will,a true criminal will get what he or she want,s somehow,legal or ilegal,no more gun laws will do a thing to curb crime on any level at any place,probition didn,t work,made thing,s worse,more gun laws will only mess up and confuse legal gun buyer,s/owners even more,and cost taxpayer,s out the ass to pass them,more severe punishment for criminals and more prison,s,less rights for the criminals while they are serving their sentence,s,criminals have to many right,s and prison is more appealing for some,go to some of the nursing home,s in ky and other state,s and see how they are treated,criminal,s deserve a lot less,but keep whinig that their right,s are being violated,i,ve seen some of these nursing home,s and how they are treated,it is not nice to see,criminal,s need to be treated with a lot less compassion for they deserve a lot less,i for one is getting disgusted with the way thing,s are and we need change,in the other direction,in my opinion a criminal has lost his rights(or hers) when they commit a crime and sent to prison.
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Dec 30, 2012
 
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That's a failed clever attempt at saying "I don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about."
I assume that by "national law" what they mean is a federal law. For federal law to apply, the crime would need to fall under federal jurisdiction. Most robberies do not. In fact what most people think of as a "federal offense" really isn't unless certain conditions are met.
Someone robbing a couple in their home at gunpoint would not fall under federal law. Nor would someone robbing a Subway.
This would mean that each state would have to adopt the same law with the same punishment. Good luck with that!
Now deduce that, cocksucker.
Ignorance on your part cannot be made null by crude name calling. Each post that you make proves the state of your mind, and Doctor Watson deduces that it is confused and lacking in competence.
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Dec 30, 2012
 
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
What part of "Shall not be infringed " do people not understand?

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Dec 30, 2012
 
moneytalks wrote:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
What part of "Shall not be infringed " do people not understand?
What part of "well regulated militia" do people not understand?
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Dec 30, 2012
 
One True Digger wrote:
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What part of "well regulated militia" do people not understand?
bart please exlain it to us.....after all you are smarter than anyone on the Supreme Court...
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Jan 4, 2013
 
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Jan 4, 2013
 
Guns are the only thing between us and full blown tyranny
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#39
Jan 4, 2013
 
well the gun haters won't like this but....

According to the FBI annual crime statistics, the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outnumbers the number of murders committed with a rifle.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...
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Jan 4, 2013
 
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False. A baseball bat isn't even listed. Fails.
FBI: MORE PEOPLE KILLED WITH HAMMERS, CLUBS EACH YEAR THAN RIFLES

By AWR HAWKINS, Breitbart.com

According to the FBI annual crime statistics, the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outnumbers the number of murders committed with a rifle.

This is an interesting fact, particularly amid the Democrats' feverish push to ban many different rifles, ostensibly to keep us safe of course.

However, it appears the zeal of Sens. like Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Joe Manchin (D-WV) is misdirected. For in looking at the FBI numbers from 2005 to 2011, the number of murders by hammers and clubs consistently exceeds the number of murders committed with a rifle.

Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.
And so the list goes, with the actual numbers changing somewhat from year to year, yet the fact that more people are killed with blunt objects each year remains constant.

For example, in 2011, there was 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs.

While the FBI makes is clear that some of the "murder by rifle" numbers could be adjusted up slightly, when you take into account murders with non-categorized types of guns, it does not change the fact that their annual reports consistently show more lives are taken each year with these blunt objects than are taken with Feinstein's dreaded rifle.

Another interesting fact: According to the FBI, nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists each year than are killed by murderers who use rifles.

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Jan 4, 2013
 
info wrote:
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FBI: MORE PEOPLE KILLED WITH HAMMERS, CLUBS EACH YEAR THAN RIFLES
By AWR HAWKINS, Breitbart.com
According to the FBI annual crime statistics, the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outnumbers the number of murders committed with a rifle.
This is an interesting fact, particularly amid the Democrats' feverish push to ban many different rifles, ostensibly to keep us safe of course.
However, it appears the zeal of Sens. like Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Joe Manchin (D-WV) is misdirected. For in looking at the FBI numbers from 2005 to 2011, the number of murders by hammers and clubs consistently exceeds the number of murders committed with a rifle.
Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.
And so the list goes, with the actual numbers changing somewhat from year to year, yet the fact that more people are killed with blunt objects each year remains constant.
For example, in 2011, there was 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs.
While the FBI makes is clear that some of the "murder by rifle" numbers could be adjusted up slightly, when you take into account murders with non-categorized types of guns, it does not change the fact that their annual reports consistently show more lives are taken each year with these blunt objects than are taken with Feinstein's dreaded rifle.
Another interesting fact: According to the FBI, nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists each year than are killed by murderers who use rifles.
Sure that's true when you only include a rifle whereas most of the time it's a handgun. But if you stack "blunt objects" vs. "firearms", firearms are still the #1 murder weapon.

The author attempts to use "weasel words" knowing that his low-education readers will take away from his column that "more people are killed with baseball bats than guns."

And again I will point out, a "baseball bat" isn't even listed.
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Ban the idiots that want to ban guns and impeach any man in our White House that wants to take away our second amendment or any other constitutional right that will leave guns only in the hands of the criminals. Doesn't any of you morons that want to ban guns from the American people realize that is just what the communist democrats want. They are trying to disarm us while they are sending weapons to the rdical muslims,great way to have a radical take over of our country. Don't forget Obama is a muslim.

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