Psychiatrists Say Inmate Can Move To Less-Secure Facility -- Cr...

The Psychiatric Security Review Board, which had denied a similar request last year to move Edward Premo from the maximum-security building at the Whiting Forensic Division of Connecticut Valley Hospital, ... Full Story
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Dangerous

Burlington, VT

#1 May 31, 2008
This man is clearly a danger. We don't need to spend money on a psychiatrist to tell us this. Keep him locked down, he should not get any special freedoms. All we do is cater to these prisoners. Let's not forget what they did.
Keep Him Locked Up

London, UK

#2 May 31, 2008
You want another Cheshire?
Michael F Barrett

Trumbull, CT

#3 May 31, 2008
Here we go yet again: how this State loves to play with fire. This dirtbag, who has extensive expertise in explosives (see arrest in 1998), nearly KILLED three troopers. Poor baby was insane. He apparently wasn't insane enough to forget how to manufacture explosive devices including trip wires, nor was he insane enough to be unable to use a firearm against our protectors. He just needed medication. I thought that in a democratic society the majority rules and the gov't. represents the will of the people. Poll any 100 citizens and I'll bet 99 of them would say, "Keep this dangerous psycho where he is." The proposed transfer unit, "community preparation," bodes disaster. The two Troopers who lost careers and ended up permanently maimed derserve some semblance of security and justice. In a few years we'll be reading gruesome headlines: "State at fault for letting psychopath back into community."
Larry the Cable Guy

United States

#4 May 31, 2008
All I'm going to say is .....REMEMBER JESSICA SHORT
Resident

AOL

#5 May 31, 2008
DISGUSTED! This STATE SUCKS....This Doc wants to just put another notch in his belt and claim he's gotten this got better. BS! We forget the past all to easy!
Concerned Citizen

Simsbury, CT

#6 May 31, 2008
Michael F Barrett wrote:
Here we go yet again: how this State loves to play with fire. This dirtbag, who has extensive expertise in explosives (see arrest in 1998), nearly KILLED three troopers. Poor baby was insane. He apparently wasn't insane enough to forget how to manufacture explosive devices including trip wires, nor was he insane enough to be unable to use a firearm against our protectors. He just needed medication. I thought that in a democratic society the majority rules and the gov't. represents the will of the people. Poll any 100 citizens and I'll bet 99 of them would say, "Keep this dangerous psycho where he is." The proposed transfer unit, "community preparation," bodes disaster. The two Troopers who lost careers and ended up permanently maimed derserve some semblance of security and justice. In a few years we'll be reading gruesome headlines: "State at fault for letting psychopath back into community."
I am one of those 99!! It's easy to say that he's better on medication and does not pose a threat to himself or the community. Who is going to INSURE that this man actually TAKES that medication. Will he be observed as stringently in a less secure facility?? Why take that chance. Leave him where he is for all of our sakes!
CPC

Cheshire, CT

#7 May 31, 2008
Oh, he's okay as long as he takes his meds. We'll just hear another horrific story the day he decides not to take them.

These prisoner review boards never learn any lessons from the past. Give them a chance to do more harm...insane.
Captain Morgan

United States

#8 May 31, 2008
The Doctors up on that hill have a VERY poor and deadly track record with these determinations. When something happens, as it too often does, the doctors blame the citizens of Middletown for stigmatizing their patients for being mentally ill. We don't fear mentally ill people nearly as much as we fear the capricious imbeciles running the place.
No Way

South Hadley, MA

#9 May 31, 2008
The Doctors that even think he should be allowed to go on "trips" and that he is such a "model" for other patients should have their heads examined. The attempted murder of 3 State Troopers okay warrants a 100 year confinement to a maximum security Mental Health Hospital/Prison. Premo should be glad he is allowed to breathe air much less go on a nice, comforting "trip" with his happy pills. His urine is probably contaminating our water supply.
Angel Morales of Hartford

Naugatuck, CT

#10 May 31, 2008
Another menace practically let loose. What a shame. I wonder if this menace were Hispanic or African American, would this doctor rule in his or her patient in favor. Come on, its a miracle that these troopers are alive. Good Governor Rell do us all a favor, step in before its too late. Enough said!!!

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#11 May 31, 2008
Bottom line here.

Where is the accountability? Who loses their pension when, not if, this man stops taking his medication and leaves the grounds to kill someone?

The answer no one. Just like David Peterson's staff that day. No one payed for Jessica Short's horrific death, there was NO accountability. A child was murdered by a deranged man because no one was doing their job that day. What has changed since then? Nothing.

People have moved on but the mentality is still the same. There is no accountability. If that incident were to have happened at a private facility the state would have come down on them like a lead hammer and that facility would not exist today. Again, the people responsible? No doubts retired with not a thought in their minds for that small child.

Now the state wants us to believe things have changed?
Points To Ponder

Sandwich, MA

#12 May 31, 2008
Let's not forget the following two facts about Premo : 1. Premo is a former police officer himself. 2. Premo formerally worked for the U.S. Postal Service. He especially loved being a police officer and was glad that he was able to serve his community in that capacity. I remember reading that at various reports about him. I wonder how many other police officers are on the verge of becoming another Premo ?
CPC

Cheshire, CT

#13 May 31, 2008
Points To Ponder wrote:
Let's not forget the following two facts about Premo : 1. Premo is a former police officer himself. 2. Premo formerally worked for the U.S. Postal Service. He especially loved being a police officer and was glad that he was able to serve his community in that capacity. I remember reading that at various reports about him. I wonder how many other police officers are on the verge of becoming another Premo ?
So what's your point? A connection to the Post Office and the Police?

People with violent tendencies that need psychiatric care are not just limited to the postal or police force. Ever wonder about that?
Allen M

West Hartford, CT

#14 May 31, 2008
Yet another example of over-crowding and lack of proper facilities for CT's mentally ill.

The state shut down all the other mental health hospitals. Leaving CVH and its Whiting Forensic to pick up the load for the state. Whiting Forensic is where the criminally insane and most dangerous of mentally ill offenders reside - for treatment. Its not a prison, although it seems like that's what it has been forced to become. When patients have shown adequately positive results over considerable periods of time from medical treatment Whiting needs those beds available for people whose conditions - criminally insane and dangerous - have not been medically brought under control.

Its in all of our best interests to make sure more services, more beds, more staff and more oversight are available in CT. to the mentally ill.
Allen M

West Hartford, CT

#15 May 31, 2008
And nobody is talking about setting him free or releasing him. They are talking about moving him to a step-down unit in the same facility. Dutcher Hall is part of Whiting. Treatment models differ slightly because on the step-down unit the patients have already shown that their conditions are medically under control.

If proper and adequate staffing levels and supervision exists nobody is placed in harms way as a result. But do we trust Gov. Rell to make sure proper safeguars and staff are in place at the state facility?
looker

Fall River, MA

#16 May 31, 2008
put him to work at the house of uconns president

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#17 May 31, 2008
Allen M wrote:
And nobody is talking about setting him free or releasing him. They are talking about moving him to a step-down unit in the same facility. Dutcher Hall is part of Whiting. Treatment models differ slightly because on the step-down unit the patients have already shown that their conditions are medically under control.
If proper and adequate staffing levels and supervision exists nobody is placed in harms way as a result. But do we trust Gov. Rell to make sure proper safeguars and staff are in place at the state facility?
Allen this has absolutely nothing to do with who is Governor. This is about bureaucracy at it's best. Doesn't matter who is in charge. Sorry to say. The state is CTs largest employer, the unions are a much sought after endorsement. No one wants to mess with the unions.
Clyde

Hyannis, MA

#18 May 31, 2008
Just for the record, Dutcher is NOT physically connected to Whiting. It is simply another building on CVH's grounds, and actually quite a walk from Whiting's high security building. Dutcher is an old, 1940's era building, with locked unit doors but no external security such as a fence. The question to ask is, what would make the victim feel safe?
Allen M

West Hartford, CT

#19 May 31, 2008
Clyde wrote:
Just for the record, Dutcher is NOT physically connected to Whiting. It is simply another building on CVH's grounds, and actually quite a walk from Whiting's high security building. Dutcher is an old, 1940's era building, with locked unit doors but no external security such as a fence. The question to ask is, what would make the victim feel safe?
Dutcher is a very secure unit/facility.

Victims don't determine criminal justice or mental health treatment protocols. Victims and their advocates, and all of the public should of course be heard on such matters that affect our safety. But what the victim "feels" isn't at all relevant to what the medically necessary or appropriate course of treatment is.

Hospitals are not meant to be prisons and medical staff are not meant to be DOC prison guards. If additional security is needed at Dutcher along the exterior the state should work in coordination with DOC to ensure the public's safety (as well as specific victims in such cases). But the answer can't be keeping someone who doesn't require a certain medical level of treatment at that level of medical treatment just to satisfy others.
That would take us back to the days of forced lobotomies.
incaroads

Greenfield, MA

#20 May 31, 2008
Remember the murder of Jessica Short and the death of Main Street Middletown due to
de-institutionalization in the 1970's. Never Again.

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