Woman's right to have a child.

Woman's right to have a child.

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Since: Apr 12

Glassboro, NJ

#2 Jan 27, 2013
I hope you all can help spread the word as well, since this petition won't even show up on the public view for the search engine until it has 150 signatures. I'm currently at 50 signatures. 100 to for that checkpoint. :3
The Man

Merchantville, NJ

#3 Jan 27, 2013
Can you elaborate on this?

Since: Apr 12

Glassboro, NJ

#4 Jan 28, 2013
The Man wrote:
Can you elaborate on this?
The point of the petition is that if women's healthcare can include treatments for health while not having children, it should be able to cover treatments for a safe pregnancy. For example, a woman who is prone to ectopic pregnancies would have to save about $12000 just for the IVF and follow-up appointments for the implantation. I know a woman who is now going to therapy over the grief of a third failed pregnancy,(1 due to miscarriage and two due to ectopic pregnancy.) because her egg implanted in her fallopian tubes instead of the uterus and the pregnancy had to be terminated 3 weeks in. However most insurance companies see fertility treatments as completely unnecessary and do not offer coverage for such things. Not even most state insurance coverages will pay for it. Last I checked, only 15 states mandate such coverage on their own. The way I see it, if we could make such a large fuss over a woman's right to birth control, we can be just as fussy over a woman's right to safely experience childbirth. After all, the termination is covered as an emergency procedure, as it is life-threatening... why not cover the treatments to avoid such a life-threatening state? There are several other problems with infertility that nearly 10% of women suffer from and many will never be able to treat them so they can have a child... that isn't to say that all problems with infertility are treatable, but those that are should be.
Jerseyboy for life

Goshen, IN

#5 Jan 28, 2013
As long as I'm not paying for her right,then alright go for it....Otherwise we're taxed enough with the right to abort crowd....And the baby mama crowd as well...

Since: Apr 12

Glassboro, NJ

#6 Jan 28, 2013
Jerseyboy for life wrote:
As long as I'm not paying for her right,then alright go for it....Otherwise we're taxed enough with the right to abort crowd....And the baby mama crowd as well...
Fair enough... i don't think it should change the amount that people are paying into their insurance and such by much for this... it's not like there are billions of people who are suddenly gonna want these expensive procedures. It shouldn't really cost more on taxes than what the healthcare plan already does... and even if it does... I don't really see why the increase should make more than a few cents of difference per person. Then again, I'm not an economist or financial expert of the like... so I personally can't make any promise. That's up to the admin... if they even take it into consideration, which won't happen without the signatures. And there's still the chance that they'll just say "no" in the end anyway... Still I think it's worth petitioning for.:)
The Man

Merchantville, NJ

#7 Jan 28, 2013
The problem is it is a elective procedure. Just like breast inplants,face lifts etc. In no way would the woman's health be in danger if it wasn't performed.
If this is allowed what other things will insurance companies have to pay for? Tummy tucks?
If this woman and her/husband/boyfriend can't come up with the $12,000 for the treatment can they afford a child? It costs something like 1/4 million to raise a child. And yes,insurance premiums will go up as a result of this. Do you think the insurance companies will just eat this rather large expense?
How about all the woman who pay lower car insurance rates refund it to the men? We are all equal right?
Some insurance policies don't cover organ donations.
Isn't that a little more important?

Since: Apr 12

Glassboro, NJ

#8 Jan 28, 2013
The Man wrote:
The problem is it is a elective procedure. Just like breast inplants,face lifts etc. In no way would the woman's health be in danger if it wasn't performed.
If this is allowed what other things will insurance companies have to pay for? Tummy tucks?
If this woman and her/husband/boyfriend can't come up with the $12,000 for the treatment can they afford a child? It costs something like 1/4 million to raise a child. And yes,insurance premiums will go up as a result of this. Do you think the insurance companies will just eat this rather large expense?
How about all the woman who pay lower car insurance rates refund it to the men? We are all equal right?
Some insurance policies don't cover organ donations.
Isn't that a little more important?
I don't see it the same way... For example, an ectopic pregnancy can be life threatening. I feel that in such cases when pregnancy becomes life threatening, the option of fertility treatments is no longer a cosmetic elective, but a treatment for the health and safety of mother and child. Also, problems with infertility can be psychologically damaging to a woman, and being refused treatments that could solve the issue certainly doesn't help. And I do know that some insurance companies don't cover organ donors but most do and the biggest problem is a shortage of donors. There is a petition on that idea already up and running.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pas...

but almost none cover for infertility. In fact, while trying to help my older sister search for one, the only insurance company available to her with coverage of IFV was Aetna, and they are out of her affordable budget range. I can't speak for others on this, but even if it only cuts the price in half, she'd like coverage... for now, she's stuck trying to save the $12000 and hope no further complications related to it come up.
The Man

Merchantville, NJ

#9 Jan 28, 2013
A less than well endowed woman could argue that she needs breast implants for her emotional well being.
As I said in my last post. "If you can't come up with the $12,000 how are you going to pay the 1/4 million it costs to raise a child?"
Wanting to become pregnant is not a illness.
Look,it is a so called womans health issue. Often run by feminists.
Can you explain the big disparity in funding and public awareness between breast cancer ad prostate cancer? They each kill about he same number,yet prostate cancer gets about 12 the funding of breast cancer!

http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/05/breast-canc...

Since: Apr 12

Glassboro, NJ

#10 Jan 28, 2013
The Man wrote:
A less than well endowed woman could argue that she needs breast implants for her emotional well being.
As I said in my last post. "If you can't come up with the $12,000 how are you going to pay the 1/4 million it costs to raise a child?"
Wanting to become pregnant is not a illness.
Look,it is a so called womans health issue. Often run by feminists.
Can you explain the big disparity in funding and public awareness between breast cancer ad prostate cancer? They each kill about he same number,yet prostate cancer gets about 12 the funding of breast cancer!
http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/05/breast-canc...
If you care so much for the disparity in the funding and such of the two cancers then make or sign a petition on that. To me, this is and issue which has no comparison to cosmetic surgery in the case of women who need them, and $12,000 up front is very different from slowly spending as much as $250,000 over the course of about 18 years.(avg $13,888 a year, about $1057 a month). And much of the money for a child can be saved and accumulated through the many services available, such as trust funds, all of that Gerber brand stuff, etc... Now lets look at this idea of just saving for a year before and planning out the pregnancy accordingly. There's still the matter of saving the money for other issues that may come along, and this is money that, at the time, would normally be put towards the items needed to welcome the baby, so that would mean even more time saving and planning before you get started. It seems a lot easier to me, for a person to pay into their insurance plan, and cash in on even a halved price with them. I'm not looking for full coverage... but at least a small discount to the fees, a payment plan, a waiver... something! However The petition is best left vague to give the administration space to work out whatever they feel they need to work out.
bill

Wilmington, DE

#11 Jan 29, 2013
Can't afford the procedure,can't afford the insurance that will pay for it.
Maybe they can't afford the kid either?,
That is the problem today,everybody wants a handout.
Can people not just take care of themselves anymore?
Must government or insurance "meaning taxpayers and insurance premium payers" be on the hook for everything?
They want something they can't afford and wish for others to pay for it. Pregnancy isn't a disease or illness.

"While helping my older sister search for one" Shouldn't it be while helping my older sister and her husband?

Since: Apr 12

Glassboro, NJ

#12 Jan 29, 2013
bill wrote:
Can't afford the procedure,can't afford the insurance that will pay for it.
Maybe they can't afford the kid either?,
That is the problem today,everybody wants a handout.
Can people not just take care of themselves anymore?
Must government or insurance "meaning taxpayers and insurance premium payers" be on the hook for everything?
They want something they can't afford and wish for others to pay for it. Pregnancy isn't a disease or illness.
"While helping my older sister search for one" Shouldn't it be while helping my older sister and her husband?
Her husband is too busy working on his business that's gotten a bit of a jump start recently... which is the reason they started looking at having a kid in the first place... Finances were finally coming together well enough that they could find it feasible to do so with comfort. And if you know anything about Aetna insurance... in general the company is an ass to its clients... I know, I have their insurance since that's what's provided through my mom's job. When I graduate and start working, I intend to try just about anyone else possible. They say they cover everything, but everything is such a hassle because they deny just about everything beyond a generic brand pill until they have doctors tell them at least twice that their dumbasses. And in my sister's case, she budgeted everything based on what's being spent currently on her current insurance plan. Aetna is far more expensive and she doesn't want to have to overhaul her budget for that, when she doesn't like them in the first place. And when I say, "helping my sister." My brother-in-law only knows how to bring money in, not how to budget and utilize it an shop around with it. They keep to the classic routine. Man brings home the bacon, while wifey keeps track of how and when to cook it. So thanks for trying to pass judgement a decent hardworking lower-middle class couple, that you know little to nothing about.
bill

Wilmington, DE

#13 Jan 29, 2013
No matter how you say it they can't yet afford to have a child. Perhaps your stay at home sister could gasp,get a job?
The Man

Merchantville, NJ

#14 Jan 29, 2013
I don't pretend to know your sister and brother inlaws situation. But if they are lower-middle class as you say what will a child do for teir financial situation?
Your sister won't be working and expenses will increase.Along with stress.

Since: Apr 12

Glassboro, NJ

#15 Jan 29, 2013
bill wrote:
No matter how you say it they can't yet afford to have a child. Perhaps your stay at home sister could gasp,get a job?
She did have a job... until her fibromyalgia got really bad and she had to go out on disability. That's why their finances were so messed up until now. But she finally found a medication that makes the fibromyalgia at least manageable and is looking to find work as a medical assistant again... once the doctors give her the okay... She says she's feeling really hopeful though... and is sick of staying home all day while her husband is off working and her two stepdaughters are at school. She'd like to find something more to do than housework while no one gets home till after 3.
The Man

Merchantville, NJ

#16 Jan 29, 2013
Many people myself included see a probem with this. She can't work but can chase a 2 year old all day?
And insurance should pay to set this in motion?
So the taxpayers give her money and the insurance should pay for this?
Sorry,doesn't pass the common sense test in my book!
Remember Octomom? She was on disability and had all those kids. This isn't nearly as bad. But isn't a wise move. IMHO.
The Man

Merchantville, NJ

#17 Jan 29, 2013
Right to have a child? What about the responsibility of making a good decision? Why should the wants of one become the financial obligation of many?

Since: Apr 12

Glassboro, NJ

#18 Jan 30, 2013
The Man wrote:
Many people myself included see a probem with this. She can't work but can chase a 2 year old all day?
And insurance should pay to set this in motion?
So the taxpayers give her money and the insurance should pay for this?
Sorry,doesn't pass the common sense test in my book!
Remember Octomom? She was on disability and had all those kids. This isn't nearly as bad. But isn't a wise move. IMHO.
if you're concerned over her budgeting skills, have no fear. The insurance not covering for the treatment was unexpected, but from before the fibromyalgia hit her, she'd been planning up for this... This isn't some sudden, "well we're fine now so lets give it a go decision." before this ectopic pregnancy she recently went through, she'd been saving up and making changes for almost 2 years, they moved from their apartment to a full house to make sure there was plenty of room, they began slowly buying supplies and furniture for the kid, and even had a nursery room set up with gender neutral colors almost a year before they even tried to get pregnant. Then her health took a nasty turn, she got pink-slipped while still trying to fight and appeal for disability because she just couldn't function at her job. About 3 months ago the doctors finally found a treatment that has her pain more manageable... and since you don't seem to know how fibromyalgia works, there are a couple different ways that fibromyalgia can keep a person from being able to work steadily. Here are a couple of examples:

1. The most common is that the pain is too bad for the person to even move.
2. The pain is focused in a way or place such that sitting still is even worse.

My sister's job was a desk job, she had to sit and type, call, file, etc... She couldn't stay seated because of her condition and couldn't stay in front of that computer to do her job. Now that's not to say that she didn't occasionally have a day when she'd be in serious pain and not want to leave bed,and she didn't even realize how her pain was functioning until that patterns became more noticeable later on, but she found that keeping busy and moving was a good distraction... so once she was able to get disability and could comfortably stay home without worrying about bills so much, she started getting stir crazy from not being out job searching all day anymore. She started rearranging furniture and decorations and cleaning more than she probably needed to clean, to keep from getting entirely stir crazy... mind you her body would absolutely hate her for it later, and she'd go to bed as soon as the kids were settled and their dad was home to take over. Now that her doctor found a treatment for the pain that seems to be working very well, she's hoping to start moving on. She has no problem getting work done around the house and is even able to stay up and do more with her step-children. She wants to find some work that would bring in a bit more than the disability check meant to cover bills. When she stopped her birth control she started looking into that Gerber "grow up" plan that they offer. She had a fair amount set aside for initial expenses, and a bit more set aside to pay her copay at the number of doctor appointments she knew she'd have... now that copay fund is going to a psychiatrist for the therapy she needs after having an ectopic pregnancy. And her "baby supply" savings are the base for that fertility treatment... It's not really too big a financial setback that the treatments aren't being covered... but it knocks her plans back by at least half a year because she's not about to pay $12000 and not have the amount she wants saved for the baby already saved... and of course she needs a buffer amount on top of that in case of further complications with her insurance company. and payments.... Now is that extensive enough to get you to stop being so skeptical of someone who in my opinions seems perfectly capable?

Since: Apr 12

Glassboro, NJ

#19 Jan 30, 2013
The reason I made this petition is because it just feels unfair to me. A woman spends so much time planning and preparing to have a baby only to be told that she can't because she's prone to complications that are fixable and when she tries to fix it her insurance won't even help cut the price in half or anything. But when the pregnancy becomes life-threatening they'll cover the surgery to terminate it just fine, because it's about $3k or so cheaper... if it's the difference they're worried about then only cover what you would for the termination later and let the planning mom figure out $3k... That seems perfectly reasonable to me. But to just deny it because you somehow equate safety in planned parenthood to a boob job? Dick move.
bill

Philadelphia, PA

#20 Jan 30, 2013
A woman's right to have a child? So woman in prison on welfare or are unfit to be mothers have this right to?,
How about the individuals right to keep the fruits of his/her labor rather than funding the wants of others?
Have some people become to accustomed to hand outs that they now feel entitled to whatever they want irregardless of who has to pay for it?
The Man

Merchantville, NJ

#21 Jan 30, 2013
Welcome to the age of narcissism.

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