wvsky

Charlottesville, VA

#21 Jul 26, 2012
Ridge Runner wrote:
I've read all the posts in this thread and no one has they're not in favor of drug testing welfare recipients. Without scienticic studies to find out what people's attitudes and opinions are about drug testing, you're just fumbling around in the dark for people's reasons to object.
Do we even have the resources to conduct drug testing? I understand it costs range between $40 & $100 per test so once that's multiplied by the number of welfare recipients taking multiple tests, you may be talking about a great deal of money. Shall we increase taxes for the project or just pull it out of a hat?
What happens if the tests are positive? Assuming the adult's welfare is terminated, what happens to the children who bear no blame for their circumstances? Do they get thrown into foster homes when West Virginia like many other states can barely keep up with the current demands for foster care and adoptions. Additional children in the foster care system means additional payments for more foster parents and more money to hire more CPS' workers to monitor the increased number of children in foster care. Shall we rely on the magic hat for this?
How many new civil servant jobs be needed to implement and monitor a drug testing program? This just doesn't miraculously happen out of the clear blue sky. Salaries have to be paid. Are you also ready to pay more taxes for additional personnel?
All of this and probably much more needs thought and we are being short-sighted if we just say test them for drugs without considering other related issues.
So "Ridge Runner" are you for drug testing or against it? Should I assume you think it needs more study?
Ridge Runner

Charleston, WV

#22 Jul 26, 2012
letslearntogether wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Sir or Madam,
I understand your plight for facts before statements, however you have to realize your audience. You also have to realize that there are stories published in the newspaper and on television every single day validating their point. If you thirst for knowledge and proof that badly, I suggest you use a search engine at the Daily News website, or google.
Thank you.
You're welcome but I have no plight. It was not I who made the statement that all welfare recipients are drug addicts. If I had made that sort of claim then I would have been prepared with some facts to support what I said. I'm not going to do her field work for her.
mommy

Logan, WV

#23 Jul 26, 2012
Ridge Runner Why don't you support welfare testing for drugs. I can't believe you aren't for drug testing what are you hiding. I have uncles, brothers, aunts, sisters, my daddy and inlaws they are on drugs but they get welfare. What is your problem
Ridge Runner

Charleston, WV

#24 Jul 26, 2012
wvsky wrote:
<quoted text> So "Ridge Runner" are you for drug testing or against it? Should I assume you think it needs more study?
As the CEO of Chick-Fil-A said, guilty as charged! Yes, I think it needs a careful study designed for West Virginia to make sure that drug testing and loss of welfare benefits outweight any other considerations. I'd be especially concerned about costs and any children who would be affected by the loss of benefits.

Did you know that such a law was previously considered in West Virginia and rejected by our legislators?

Ridge Runner

Charleston, WV

#25 Jul 26, 2012
mommy wrote:
Ridge Runner Why don't you support welfare testing for drugs. I can't believe you aren't for drug testing what are you hiding. I have uncles, brothers, aunts, sisters, my daddy and inlaws they are on drugs but they get welfare. What is your problem
My problem is with people like you who make up "facts" to defend bogus claims before the claim is proven. Educate yourself if you dare. There are several website devoted to drug testing and welfare receipients. You'll be surprised at some of the results you see.

I have a problem with adults who can't read with understanding. I never said I was opposed to drug testing and in certain circumstances its vital it be done. People who are responsible for the safety of others for example.

You have a family of drug abusers and welfare receipients. That does not make you an expert in the area.

Do you know, for example, that it could cost the State of Kentucky up to $18 million a year for testing all welfare receipents? And if required drug testing is implemented, its likely to be done on a random basis to limit those costs.
This sucks

Logan, WV

#26 Jul 26, 2012
I will say I am not in favor of drug testing anyone. 30 perecent of the time these test give a false positive. Do you take antacids, tylenol, bendryl, etc.Then you too could possibly fail a drug test. They are not accurate. I also view it as an attack against a persons constituential right, search and seisure and such as. Another chip away at civil liberties. I feel this is wrong and will cost tax payers more in the long run.
reprobateslayer

Logan, WV

#27 Jul 26, 2012
First of all, it's unconstitutional to make drug testing a prerequisite to receive welfare. The SCOTUS has said, "“The Fourth Amendment precludes suspicionless search… the drug test diminishes personal privacy.”

Secondly, where ever it's been challenged, it's been thrown out of court (see above) but only after the state has wasted the money defending it.

Finally, it just doesn't work. It costs more than it save in every known instance. Welfare recipients are no more likely to do drugs than anyone else. It's just another example of republican bumpersticker politics gone haywire.
think

Logan, WV

#28 Jul 26, 2012
why his all saying people on welfare .."that's on drugs well you need to ""watch the news and read the newspaper...they were politicial and teachers and coaches ..etc indicted on drug charges,,so don't cast those stones need to drug test all that's for teachers, policeman and put it this way in all jobs,,,
even people work specially those who work with our kids,,,
wvstateworker

Charleston, WV

#29 Jul 26, 2012
See...now you people need to read the fine print of this act...there are many loop holes these people get before their benefits actually get cut off. Drug testing is really not going to solve a thing.

Since: Dec 08

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#30 Jul 26, 2012
Mounty wrote:
<quoted text>
Well if they test people on welfare expect your taxes to go up to pay for it. If you pay taxes.
Well I work and pay taxes and I guarantee you that the drug tests would be cheaper than paying these folks to get high. With crooked business owners around you can cash in your food stamps for a small fee, you can trade your wic, kerosene vouchers, clothing vouchers and any other kind of assistance you receive for ready cash. You just have to be willing to give up a portion of it to the business doing the trading. So an average family of 4 receives 670 to 700 dollars in food stamps....wow. that is a lot of pills. If they cash in for $20 a hundred then that leaves quite a bit of money left over for pills. Shoot they are high who cares if the kids are crying cause they are hungry. Grandma and Grandpa will come and bring food cause they dont want the babies to starve. So there goes the welfare check the social security check and the food stamps for drugs. So yeah, I would rather spend my tax dollars making sure the people drawing benefits are feeding their kids and using the money for the purpose for which it was intended instead of neglecting their kids for their drug habits.
workthisway

Gilbert, WV

#31 Jul 27, 2012
This might be a possible solution:

1. Welfare druggie gets caught, will no longer receive benefits in their hands. They'll be monitored at the DHHR.
2. Welfare druggie has kids.
3. Kids would still be eligible for benefits, but the DHHR would handle those benefits instead of the parents.
4. DHHR would require receipts and explanations for everything in a sort of 'three-strike' phase. The third strike, the parents have everything cut off, no exceptions. Kids still receive at the DHHR.
5. Depending on the severity of the drug the parents could either face jail time, or a drug rehab program.

With the tax money that is saved from not supporting drug habits, it could fund these DHHR workers and the tests themselves. Of course that still presents the question since everyone thinks these cost 500 thousand a person, "Where will they get the money to fund the workers/drug testing?"

Being honest, do we know 100% what our government spends on random junk that could be cancelled? State, local, national. We do not know what in all our tax dollars go to. I bet if we were given an itemized list as to what we wanted to support and what we didn't, they could weed out the fraudulent or backwards spending. I wouldn't be surprised if there are several people who would voluntarily pay higher taxes to support the testing, as long as it got the druggie to clean up their act and actually contribute to a better society.

I know I would. I gladly would. I hate seeing what drugs are doing to this place.

I don’t see how any of you could support these drug habits when they’re not only dangerous to their health, but ours as well. You’ve heard about the drug violence that’s rampant all over the state (It's on WSAZ EVERY night), do you really want it to continue?
Snake

Holden, WV

#32 Jul 27, 2012
Ridge Runner wrote:
Mommy made the accusation that most people on welfare are on drugs. That's not something you'd know unless you got the information from some other source. So what was the source or are you just making it up? Yes didn't ask you about your family. Yes asked you where you got the information that support your statement.
here ya go:
i wont say most people on welfare are on drugs but, most everyone one i know that is on welfare, is on drugs....lets say 99% of those i know that are on welfare, are on drugs....

sure, test everyone of the recipents....
if they test pos., cut em off....
i'm over the hill as far as age, had major back surg., on disability and i can hardly get any pain med.s to help with daily severe pain cause of the punk junkies that have ruined the privelige of pain relief for all of us....
cut em off if they test with a meer trace of any drug....
they DONT NEED IT "period"
Ridge Runner

Charleston, WV

#33 Jul 27, 2012
Snake, you've said it in a common sense manner based on what you personally know and observe. You have the start of a winning arguement.

And I especially like what workthisway said about requiring receipts. If this were carefully monitored you should be able to catch some of the abusers along with some of the businesses who help them with their frauds.
Snake

Holden, WV

#34 Jul 27, 2012
Ridge Runner wrote:
Snake, you've said it in a common sense manner based on what you personally know and observe. You have the start of a winning arguement.
And I especially like what workthisway said about requiring receipts. If this were carefully monitored you should be able to catch some of the abusers along with some of the businesses who help them with their frauds.
its simple......
if the states would offer a reward, even a small reward for the arrest and conviction of abusers of welfare funds, wheather it be of food stamps or state moneys...these strung-out drug junkies would rat each other out for a few $'s to buy another pill.....
pill-head punk junkies cant be trusted, they will rat one another out, includeing the buisness that take food stamps in trade for cigs and beer....all ya need is a small reward....

once ya get the drug-junkies ratting on each other, eventually there will be none...
a house (or group) divided cant stand
wvsky

Charlottesville, VA

#35 Jul 27, 2012
Ms Knowitall wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I work and pay taxes and I guarantee you that the drug tests would be cheaper than paying these folks to get high. With crooked business owners around you can cash in your food stamps for a small fee, you can trade your wic, kerosene vouchers, clothing vouchers and any other kind of assistance you receive for ready cash. You just have to be willing to give up a portion of it to the business doing the trading. So an average family of 4 receives 670 to 700 dollars in food stamps....wow. that is a lot of pills. If they cash in for $20 a hundred then that leaves quite a bit of money left over for pills. Shoot they are high who cares if the kids are crying cause they are hungry. Grandma and Grandpa will come and bring food cause they dont want the babies to starve. So there goes the welfare check the social security check and the food stamps for drugs. So yeah, I would rather spend my tax dollars making sure the people drawing benefits are feeding their kids and using the money for the purpose for which it was intended instead of neglecting their kids for their drug habits.
Great argument, I agree with you.
Voice Of Reason

Murfreesboro, TN

#36 Jul 27, 2012
it's an act of socialism. We live in a country where rights have been thrown out the window. you ain't free mfer now here pee in this cup before we give you benefits just like the illegals next door has.
Preserve the constitution

Logan, WV

#37 Jul 27, 2012
and show some mercy. People on pills are SICK. Plain and simple. They need help. Just how do you think cutting off their food stamps and subjecting everyone to the piss cup is going to help. The government has many useless programs where millions of our tax dollars are spent and the best some of you can come up with is strave the poor. Shame on you.
Preserve the BillORights

Gilbert, WV

#38 Jul 27, 2012
Preserve the constitution wrote:
and show some mercy. People on pills are SICK. Plain and simple. They need help. Just how do you think cutting off their food stamps and subjecting everyone to the piss cup is going to help. The government has many useless programs where millions of our tax dollars are spent and the best some of you can come up with is strave the poor. Shame on you.
Someone is guilty of not reading the entire thread. If you had, you would see that people have suggested ideas to prevent their starvation. Shame on you.
Preserve the constitution

Logan, WV

#39 Jul 27, 2012
Preserve the BillORights wrote:
<quoted text>
Someone is guilty of not reading the entire thread. If you had, you would see that people have suggested ideas to prevent their starvation. Shame on you.
Which is why I wrote SOME people. Reread what I wrote before you challenge. There are a few people in this discussion that do show social consciousness, but many who don't.
mommy

Logan, WV

#40 Jul 27, 2012
Well school will be starting soon. Those welfare druggies will have more money to spend on dope. You ask how is this. Kids will get free lunch. Less money will be spent on food. Dang welfare druggies.

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