created by: Brown Eyed Teacher | Aug 8, 2012

Williamsburg, KY

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If a teacher sees students fighting, what should they do?

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  • Walk away, quickly.
  • Try to break the fight up
  • Call the school police officer
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Tuti Phruti

Cincinnati, OH

#21 Aug 21, 2012
Teacher in Training wrote:
I wouldn't do anything. Apparently kids can kill teachers without any serious consequences. My husband is a high school teacher, and I don't want him anywhere near these angry teenagers during a fight. Personally, I think the punishment for fighting in school should be far more severe now, so maybe there won't be as many.
There should be something done about the troubled kids BEFORE they reach High School. Some sort of decision should be made before they enter the fourth or fifth grade.

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#22 Aug 21, 2012
Tuti Phruti wrote:
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There should be something done about the troubled kids BEFORE they reach High School. Some sort of decision should be made before they enter the fourth or fifth grade.
i would agree with you except for the age. I would go with 8th grade, before high school though.
Jeff Boomhauer

Williamsburg, KY

#23 Aug 21, 2012
Really wrote:
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I understand your point. But reckless homicide, what the boys were charged with, is still in fact, homicide. Homicide as in murder. It was by their hands and actions that a teacher/war vet/state rep is dead. If the kids didn't want anyone to be hurt or possibly kids, then they should have not been physically fighting.
"Homicide as in murder"... WHAT???

Surely you are not trying to say that all homicides are murders... it just isn't LEGALLY correct! As I said before, MURDER requires INTENT... reckless homicide DOES NOT.

To find these kids guilty of MURDER the prosecution would have to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that these boys were fighting with the INTENT to draw Dwayne Bunch into the fight so they could kill him.

This did NOT happen... therefore, this was not in any way, shape or form... MURDER.

There are many types of crimes that fall under the category of "Homicide." Manslaughter and murder are just two of them. Saying that HOMICIDE is the same thing as MURDER is like saying that since all Cherokees are Native Americans, then ALL Native Americans must be Cherokee.

It's simple logic, people. I just made you a little bit smarter... you're welcome!

Since: Jul 12

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#24 Aug 21, 2012
I think teachers should let them fight. Personally I don't think kids these days have any respect for teachers. They don't have any respect for teachers or authority figures period. Teachers have a hard enough job teaching kids now. All kids seem to think about are texting, drugs, and sex. I know it's always been a problem some kids are prone to these behaviors, and it really falls back on the parents, then again you do have kids that are just bad. I don't think teachers get enough credit, but then again you do have a few bad teachers. So, it's a catch 22 either way, damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don't think teachers should jeprodize their safety. They should only get involved if they back some sort of back up.

If a teacher does get hurt I think there should be severe punishment, same goes for students. There should be some sort of mutual respect on both sides.

Since: Jun 11

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#25 Aug 21, 2012
Jeff Boomhauer wrote:
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"Homicide as in murder"... WHAT???
Surely you are not trying to say that all homicides are murders... it just isn't LEGALLY correct! As I said before, MURDER requires INTENT... reckless homicide DOES NOT.
To find these kids guilty of MURDER the prosecution would have to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that these boys were fighting with the INTENT to draw Dwayne Bunch into the fight so they could kill him.
This did NOT happen... therefore, this was not in any way, shape or form... MURDER.
There are many types of crimes that fall under the category of "Homicide." Manslaughter and murder are just two of them. Saying that HOMICIDE is the same thing as MURDER is like saying that since all Cherokees are Native Americans, then ALL Native Americans must be Cherokee.
It's simple logic, people. I just made you a little bit smarter... you're welcome!
you sir are..........correct
Tuti Phruti

Cincinnati, OH

#26 Aug 21, 2012
Bobwills20 wrote:
I think teachers should let them fight. Personally I don't think kids these days have any respect for teachers. They don't have any respect for teachers or authority figures period. Teachers have a hard enough job teaching kids now. All kids seem to think about are texting, drugs, and sex. I know it's always been a problem some kids are prone to these behaviors, and it really falls back on the parents, then again you do have kids that are just bad. I don't think teachers get enough credit, but then again you do have a few bad teachers. So, it's a catch 22 either way, damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don't think teachers should jeprodize their safety. They should only get involved if they back some sort of back up.
If a teacher does get hurt I think there should be severe punishment, same goes for students. There should be some sort of mutual respect on both sides.
I agree completely.

A teacher is there to teach scholastics, NOT be a referree, NOT be a pastor, NOT be a doctor.

A teachers job description is to teach scholastics.

Since: Jul 12

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#27 Aug 21, 2012
I agree wrote:
Kids fight all the time in my school. It's becuz they just get suspended for a few days (big punishment, 3 free days off school). The kids that r dumb enough to fight don't care about the effect suspension has on their grades anyway. So really, how are they being punished? I think a night in jail should be the punishment for high school fighters. A real slap on their legal records, instead of their wrists, would prolly prevent more fights.
I think that when it comes to fighting the habitual offenders shouldn't be suspended, but have to serve so many days or even weeks of hard manual community service, 3 days suspension is literally a vacation and actually a reward. I also think they should have a mental evaluation. Sometimes things at home or drug abuse is a factor to these behaviors. In school suspension is a joke too.

If this isn't already being implemented, it should be. That's just my personal opinion.
Jeff Boomhauer

Williamsburg, KY

#28 Aug 22, 2012
To all those who just say, "let the kids fight," what would you do in this scenario?

You come around the corner of the hallway and see two boys fighting. You don't know who threw the first punch or even WHY they're fighting. You let the fight go on and one if the kids beats the other pretty badly.

You later find out that the kid who got beat up tried every way in the world to keep from fighting. He tried to talk to the other kid instead of throwing punches. He tried to, as child psychologists say today, "use his words." He even turned to run away to avoid a physical confrontation, but the other kid caught him and started throwing punches. The punches you saw the peaceful kid throw were only in self-defense and as a last resort to protect himself from a fight he didn't want and tried to avoid.

Now how do you feel? A kid is taught to "use his words" and talk to his aggressor out of fighting. He is taught to run away if necessary to avoid a physical confrontation. He does these things and get beaten up for it... and on top of that... a cowardly teacher saw it happen and did NOTHING.

You people who would not intervene and would just "let the kids fight" are shi**ing on Dwayne Bunch's memory. Shame on you.

Mr. Bunch tried to protect those boys from physical harm. As a soldier, he understood what the ultimate sacrifice was all about. If he had died on the battlefield saving two young men from harm, he would have received a medal for heroism.

You people dishonor him by saying that his actions were meaningless, that his death meant nothing, and that YOU, in all your wisdom, would not have done what he did.

Of course you wouldn't have. Mr. Bunch was brave... YOU are NOT!
Tuti Phruti

Cincinnati, OH

#29 Aug 25, 2012
Jeff Boomhauer wrote:
To all those who just say, "let the kids fight," what would you do in this scenario?
You come around the corner of the hallway and see two boys fighting. You don't know who threw the first punch or even WHY they're fighting. You let the fight go on and one if the kids beats the other pretty badly.
You later find out that the kid who got beat up tried every way in the world to keep from fighting. He tried to talk to the other kid instead of throwing punches. He tried to, as child psychologists say today, "use his words." He even turned to run away to avoid a physical confrontation, but the other kid caught him and started throwing punches. The punches you saw the peaceful kid throw were only in self-defense and as a last resort to protect himself from a fight he didn't want and tried to avoid.
Now how do you feel? A kid is taught to "use his words" and talk to his aggressor out of fighting. He is taught to run away if necessary to avoid a physical confrontation. He does these things and get beaten up for it... and on top of that... a cowardly teacher saw it happen and did NOTHING.
You people who would not intervene and would just "let the kids fight" are shi**ing on Dwayne Bunch's memory. Shame on you.
Mr. Bunch tried to protect those boys from physical harm. As a soldier, he understood what the ultimate sacrifice was all about. If he had died on the battlefield saving two young men from harm, he would have received a medal for heroism.
You people dishonor him by saying that his actions were meaningless, that his death meant nothing, and that YOU, in all your wisdom, would not have done what he did.
Of course you wouldn't have. Mr. Bunch was brave... YOU are NOT!
So what you are saying is, teachers should take police training, and carry a badge. My understanding is, teachers are there to teach our students in scholastics, not take the law into their own hands. People who are trained to break up fights, are the ones who should be on site. At the beginning of the school year, you can tell which students are unruly. If those unruly students are permitted to run the school, then a police officer should be brougt on site, rather more than one.
Jeff Boomhauer

Winchester, KY

#30 Aug 25, 2012
Tuti Phruti wrote:
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So what you are saying is, teachers should take police training, and carry a badge. My understanding is, teachers are there to teach our students in scholastics, not take the law into their own hands. People who are trained to break up fights, are the ones who should be on site. At the beginning of the school year, you can tell which students are unruly. If those unruly students are permitted to run the school, then a police officer should be brougt on site, rather more than one.
Police training and carrying a badge are not requirements or any school employee to break up a fight.

Your "understanding" that teachers are to only teach scholastics is incorrect and misinformed. Allow me to inform you about the doctrine of "in loco parentis."

In Latin, it means, "in the place of the parents" and it deals mainly with the public schools and their duty to act in the place of the parents of their students, not only with respect to teaching scholastics, but also in the areas of moral instruction and safety, among others.

In 1995, the U.S. Supreme Court heard a case involving a public school system's policy of random drug testing for student athletes. The court upheld in Vernonia School District v. Acton that high schools could conduct random drug testing because it protects the well-being of students. The court further stated that its decision was made "because students in school are under state supervision, and as such, the state (and the school) is responsible for their well-being."

Students have a right under the law to be protected from harm by teachers, and that protection should be the same as any reasonable parent would provide. Dwayne Bunch understood this responsibility and had it in his heart to carry out the duty.

Schools are strapped for funding as it is... and now you suggest each school hire bouncers?
Tuti Phruti

Cincinnati, OH

#31 Aug 26, 2012
Jeff Boomhauer wrote:
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Police training and carrying a badge are not requirements or any school employee to break up a fight.
Your "understanding" that teachers are to only teach scholastics is incorrect and misinformed. Allow me to inform you about the doctrine of "in loco parentis."
In Latin, it means, "in the place of the parents" and it deals mainly with the public schools and their duty to act in the place of the parents of their students, not only with respect to teaching scholastics, but also in the areas of moral instruction and safety, among others.
In 1995, the U.S. Supreme Court heard a case involving a public school system's policy of random drug testing for student athletes. The court upheld in Vernonia School District v. Acton that high schools could conduct random drug testing because it protects the well-being of students. The court further stated that its decision was made "because students in school are under state supervision, and as such, the state (and the school) is responsible for their well-being."
Students have a right under the law to be protected from harm by teachers, and that protection should be the same as any reasonable parent would provide. Dwayne Bunch understood this responsibility and had it in his heart to carry out the duty.
Schools are strapped for funding as it is... and now you suggest each school hire bouncers?
Let a teacher who is qualified to do their job (teaching) break up a fight. They grab a student, break up a fight, and hurt that student. Not meaning to hurt that student, just doing their job, as you so put it. The student goes home crying to mommy and daddy. Tells mommy and daddy that they were man-handled by a teacher at school. Ooops! there goes a law suit, there goes that teachers job. Because mommy and daddy, are going to believe their child over a teacher. If a male teacher intervenes in two female students fight, there goes, he man handled me, he touced me inappropriately. Again, mommy and daddy believes their "innocent" child, and there goes a lawsuit. Call the police, let the police take it from there. Teachers are there to instill an education in our children. And, alerting the appropriate authority when violence occurs, yes that is a duty that they sould carry out.
Observant

Saint Paul, MN

#32 Aug 27, 2012
Tuti Phruti wrote:
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Let a teacher who is qualified to do their job (teaching) break up a fight. They grab a student, break up a fight, and hurt that student. Not meaning to hurt that student, just doing their job, as you so put it. The student goes home crying to mommy and daddy. Tells mommy and daddy that they were man-handled by a teacher at school. Ooops! there goes a law suit, there goes that teachers job. Because mommy and daddy, are going to believe their child over a teacher. If a male teacher intervenes in two female students fight, there goes, he man handled me, he touced me inappropriately. Again, mommy and daddy believes their "innocent" child, and there goes a lawsuit. Call the police, let the police take it from there. Teachers are there to instill an education in our children. And, alerting the appropriate authority when violence occurs, yes that is a duty that they sould carry out.
I think you are missing that Jeff guy's point. You're saying that it's better to let two students hurt each other, even to the point that one puts the other in the hospital to avoid risking a lawsuit? Bunch felt that protecting students was a priority and he wasn't worried about a lawsuit. Heroes take action, cowards find excuses.
Tuti Phruti

Cincinnati, OH

#33 Aug 27, 2012
Can anybody share how they feel? If a teacher breaks up a fight in school between 2 students, and one of those students just happened to be your child, and they were accidently hurt by the teacher, what would you do?
Tuti Phruti

Cincinnati, OH

#34 Aug 27, 2012
Observant wrote:
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I think you are missing that Jeff guy's point. You're saying that it's better to let two students hurt each other, even to the point that one puts the other in the hospital to avoid risking a lawsuit? Bunch felt that protecting students was a priority and he wasn't worried about a lawsuit. Heroes take action, cowards find excuses.
Being honest "Observant", if a teacher harmed your child while breaking up a fight they were in at school, would you sue that teacher?
What job could that teacher apply for, if they were let go by the school system?
Teachers have families that they have to support. So what if that teacher goes through a lawsuit, and is fired, seems to be some peoples attitude. Teachers should be trained in some form of self-defense, that way if they do intervene, the fighting would stop. What about if that teacher is up in years, say near retirement, and they come across two seniors who are fighting. Would anyone want their wife/husband to put themselves in that type of danger?
Superman

Williamsburg, KY

#35 Aug 27, 2012
Tuti Phruti wrote:
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Let a teacher who is qualified to do their job (teaching) break up a fight. They grab a student, break up a fight, and hurt that student. Not meaning to hurt that student, just doing their job, as you so put it. The student goes home crying to mommy and daddy. Tells mommy and daddy that they were man-handled by a teacher at school. Ooops! there goes a law suit, there goes that teachers job. Because mommy and daddy, are going to believe their child over a teacher. If a male teacher intervenes in two female students fight, there goes, he man handled me, he touced me inappropriately. Again, mommy and daddy believes their "innocent" child, and there goes a lawsuit. Call the police, let the police take it from there. Teachers are there to instill an education in our children. And, alerting the appropriate authority when violence occurs, yes that is a duty that they sould carry out.
Tuti Phruti, I bet you are just like your name sounds. If you are looking for a reason to justify standing by and letting other students hurt one another then you shouldn't be in the teaching profession. What are you going to do if it is your child? I know what I will do if my child is beaten up by another student and the staff turns their head the other way. You are liable for student safety on school property. If you are that big of a puzz then maybe you would be better off in Kindergarten, where you feel no threats for bodily harm or liability. Just sayin. http://lexington.massteacher.org/Documents/Su...
another issue

Williamsburg, KY

#36 Aug 27, 2012
the issue of law suit is real. Another issue that many times it is a female teacher while the fighters are males. Only solution...Get a job teaching at an orphanage...Dealing with kids is easy, it's their lazy, my kid does no wrong, your cafeteria food that we don't even pay for is no good, i can't pick my kid up from dhall cause i don't have a car, texting their kids while at school, not paying for damaged/lost textbooks, my kid's absence for the day was excused even though his local dr appointment was at 10 am, blah, blah, blah. Instead of thinking your role as aprent is to make your kids happy, why not raise them instead. I will continue to break up fights, Mr. Bunch would have continued to breakjup fights, because when we see them we react and don't think first. Bottom line though is that the majority of our parents are always looking for a free buck instead of a job to earn 1. Yes, my back hurts often, but I don't go to a Dr to get some disability check, I work and endure pain. My parents raised me to realize that life is not easy, you get nothing for free, and to take pride in a job well done. I hear kids taking pride in how them and their parents get money without doing a job well done. Gee, my parents must hvae been abusive, my happiness was not their priority...Raising me to be a productive, contributing member of our society, to obey rules and laws even if I don't agree with them, etc. Don't get me wronig, still some of those parents out there, and I applaud you, but the majority have a misguided view of pride.
Cub

Winchester, KY

#37 Aug 27, 2012
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Observant

Rochester, MN

#38 Aug 27, 2012
Tuti Phruti wrote:
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Being honest "Observant", if a teacher harmed your child while breaking up a fight they were in at school, would you sue that teacher?
What job could that teacher apply for, if they were let go by the school system?
Teachers have families that they have to support. So what if that teacher goes through a lawsuit, and is fired, seems to be some peoples attitude. Teachers should be trained in some form of self-defense, that way if they do intervene, the fighting would stop. What about if that teacher is up in years, say near retirement, and they come across two seniors who are fighting. Would anyone want their wife/husband to put themselves in that type of danger?
If my kid were beaten up by another kid and put in the hospital while a teacher just stood there and watched, I would sue. The teacher had a duty to protect my child.

If my kid were injured accidentally by a teacher who was trying to break up a fight, that would be acceptable. If someone is doing the right thing and accidentally hurts someone, they are not held legally liable unless they use excessive force.

If a teacher broke up a fight by threatening the fighters with a knife and one of the kids got cut, then sure, the teacher would be in trouble.
another issue

Williamsburg, KY

#39 Aug 28, 2012
Nice post Cub, but as you can see, the people that put that little symbols on here are the people described in my post
Observant 2

Corbin, KY

#40 Sep 3, 2012
Observant wrote:
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If my kid were beaten up by another kid and put in the hospital while a teacher just stood there and watched, I would sue. The teacher had a duty to protect my child.
If my kid were injured accidentally by a teacher who was trying to break up a fight, that would be acceptable. If someone is doing the right thing and accidentally hurts someone, they are not held legally liable unless they use excessive force.
If a teacher broke up a fight by threatening the fighters with a knife and one of the kids got cut, then sure, the teacher would be in trouble.
what if you husband got killed by trying to break up a fight? What would you do? I know what I'd do. I'd sue the school police officer(who wasn't there) the school system, and the kids who caused it.

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