Daniels open to U-turn on toll plans

Daniels open to U-turn on toll plans

There are 111 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 15, 2007, titled Daniels open to U-turn on toll plans. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Gov. Mitch Daniels on Thursday linked the future of his proposed private toll bypasses to public opinion, saying he's "not interested in proceeding" if Hoosiers don't embrace the projects.

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Toll Road

Louisville, KY

#1 Mar 16, 2007
Come on Indiana ..Get with it..
Indy has needed an Interstate bypass besides I-465...
465 was almost outdated before it was completed...
Mitch, daylight savings is a great thing and so is your proposed toll road...
Gez Hoosiers, get off your horses or go feed them..Leave progress alone

A Democrat from Johnson County
Toll Road

Louisville, KY

#2 Mar 16, 2007
Maybe the construction will stop the dern flooding in some of the lowlands....along the proposed route..
I-465 is a deathtrap...to small to handle current traffic...what is going to happen in the near future...Close more lanes...repair and re-open the same...wrong
BY-Pass instead of a toll road ???
OH, by the way (GO I-69) also

Professional driver
Toll Road

Louisville, KY

#3 Mar 16, 2007
Can we name it Dave Letterman Memorial Toll Road...
nope

Milwaukee, WI

#4 Mar 16, 2007
Wake up and smell the thorns.

People do not want this .
Wayne

United States

#5 Mar 16, 2007
Two and a quarter years in office and he finally makes a determination based upon what the people want!
Prism

San Francisco, CA

#6 Mar 16, 2007
Hancock county is going to experience growth and there is nothing anyone can do about that. The folks who are arguing that we need to maintain our agricultural identity are in a state of denial. Having no plan is nat a plan. The corridor could run right next to, or through my property, but I still think it's the right thing to do. We gotta have a plan, or the growth we experience will be counter productive.
Embarrassed

AOL

#8 Mar 16, 2007
People do not want this because there is a minority of people in this state who don't want anything that has to do with change...and they have a loud voice leading them in Pat Bauer. Instead of being a state others look to as an example, we're still going to be the laughing stock of the nation...so much potential. And the only thing we really have to bitch about is daylight savings time, something the rest of the world has lived through for decades. Yea, I'm embarrassed.

Since: Mar 07

South Bend, IN

#9 Mar 16, 2007
This bypass would be a good thing, Being in transportation, 465 can not handle anymore trucks. People look at the companies that want to come here. Don't complain when about job in the future when there are not any.
Bill

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Mar 16, 2007
To the people north of Indianapolis of course they want it, because it does not affect their lives. It is typical to take land away from the farmers and say its progress. Farming is a big business in Indiana. Keep it that way. Save the family farms from outside business. People of Shelby County want their rural areas and keep the traffic in Marion County.
Yea Right

Milwaukee, WI

#11 Mar 16, 2007
Prove to me this connector will bring 1 high paying professional white collar job that will last years after the concrete is poured on this road.

We are talking PERMANENT jobs, not the temporary construction jobs.
Encouraged

Champaign, IL

#12 Mar 16, 2007
The ICC was an ill-conceived idea from its inception that flew in the face of an INDOT study and was (and is) motivated as a means to fund construction of the I-69 extension south to Evansville without tolling that road. It would not solve any local congestion. That congestion is made up primarily of commuter traffic into downtown Indianapolis. If, in fact, Daniels is being sincere and this is not another tactic of lulling people into a false sense of comfort that their voices are being heard, I'm encouraged.
Jeff

United States

#13 Mar 16, 2007
To all you that say Indiana residents don't want change I disagree. We do not want to be forced to give our land to someone who is going to profit from it. The good of the public is not served, only the good of the corporation that gets the land. Also - building this connector will not get truck traffic off of 465. Especially if it is a toll road. Common sense...
Lets take a hard look at where something like this is really needed - like the ne corner of 465 where it is a mess almost every day.
It must be getting closer to election time as Mitch is finally starting to listen to the people...
Base opinion on fact

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Mar 16, 2007
Before we get into the hicks verses the bricks. I would like to point out some facts concerning this hot topic.

The state paided $850,000 for a study concerning not only the ICC, but other transportation projects. It's called the CISTMS (pronouned systems) report. You can review it on the INDOT web site. To make a long story short the report itself said the ICC tollway would not have the impact suggested and should not proceed. This is a state report paided for with your money. Not some special interest group or a bunch of country tree huggers. Now when the state got it they tried to bury it. Why, because it did not support what they wanted to do. Through a sue using the Freedom of Information Act they have to release it. However because it did not support what the Gov. office wanted to see. They of course said the report was faulity. That gocking itself should tell you volumes as to how this project is being moved along. I am not asking you to take my word for it. But before you start supporting this or protesting that, look into the facts. Section 4 pages 86 and 87 of the CISTMS report would be a good start and I would suggest reading the entire 137 page report.

One last thing at 25 million a mile for a 75 mile toll way you are looking at a 1.875 billion in construction costs. That does not include the cost of the property that can be taken for $3000 an acre and sold for $10,000 to the private company. It will take approximately 1500 acres to run from Mooresville to Anderson. Then the private company will shell out another 3 to 4 billion (up front) to operate it over a 50 to 99 year lease. Do you know what the expect income over that period of time is? Over $400 billion. Now does it sound like a good deal. Maybe for the private company holding the lease. Not for the Indiana tax payer.

Everyone is entitled to they opinion. Whether I aggree or not I will fight for both yours and my right to voice it. All I ask this that you please look into the fact and base opinion on them. The CISTMS report would be a good start.
Governor Daniels

Indianapolis, IN

#15 Mar 16, 2007
Honestly citizens, I do not care about your opinions. By the way, you can refer to me as King Daniels, or your majesty.
No more tolls

Louisville, KY

#16 Mar 16, 2007
Toll Road wrote:
Come on Indiana ..Get with it..
Indy has needed an Interstate bypass besides I-465...
465 was almost outdated before it was completed...
Mitch, daylight savings is a great thing and so is your proposed toll road...
Gez Hoosiers, get off your horses or go feed them..Leave progress alone
A Democrat from Johnson County
If it is so needed why does the INDOT study from 2005 say it's not needed?

What about mass transit? That's progress. Doing what we've done for decades is not progress.

“"THIS IS NOT A TEST!"”

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis, IN

#17 Mar 16, 2007
Thanx, Mitch. You're finally showing some common sense. We do not need another big cement thing for dead-fossil-burning vehicles to tool around on. At the expense of Indiana farmland and greenspace. Thanx, again
No more tolls

Louisville, KY

#18 Mar 16, 2007
Embarrassed wrote:
People do not want this because there is a minority of people in this state who don't want anything that has to do with change...and they have a loud voice leading them in Pat Bauer. Instead of being a state others look to as an example, we're still going to be the laughing stock of the nation...so much potential. And the only thing we really have to bitch about is daylight savings time, something the rest of the world has lived through for decades. Yea, I'm embarrassed.
What about this plan is change? Nothing. We've been building roads for our auto's for a century and the problems just get worse.

If you really want change why not try thinking outside the box?
Jeremy

AOL

#19 Mar 16, 2007
If this is such a great idea, why stop with Hancock County? Why think so small?

Let it also go through Hamilton County. Let it go right next to Your man Mitch's million dollar mansion. Let it cut a broad swath right through out all the million dollar estates.

If it is good for the farm fields, it will be excellent for Hamilton County.

Show us that it has nothing to do with rich and poor classes, and getting more money to Mitch's friends. Let everyone see the progress and jobs.
Star reader

Bridgeport, WV

#20 Mar 16, 2007
I have friends in Greenfield and Shelbyville and they hate the ICC idea. They live there because they like living in rural and semi-rural communities. Put the "progress" somewhere else and leave the farmers, wildlife and country-dwellers alone! Not everything has to be about progress and money. Widen 465 if they have to, but nah, that's too logical.
No more tolls

Louisville, KY

#21 Mar 16, 2007
Just my voice wrote:
This bypass would be a good thing, Being in transportation, 465 can not handle anymore trucks. People look at the companies that want to come here. Don't complain when about job in the future when there are not any.
In Franklin at the I65 exit we built a business district and spent millions of dollars installing infrastructure for this area. Almost all of the land set aside for new businesses has gone unused. This idea that a road will automatically bring jobs is nonsense.

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