Convention-al allure

Convention-al allure

There are 18 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jun 25, 2007, titled Convention-al allure. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Newly released designs of the Indiana Convention Center expansion will be put to use right away to promote the city to convention groups.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Indianapolis Star.

Jay

Redwood City, CA

#1 Jun 26, 2007
William Browne Jr. is Bart Peterson's Albert Speer.

Hey, Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job.

People dying in the streets and we're puitting up a fancy new building at taxpayer expense. I gotta find a place to live where things make sense.
TBB

Louisville, KY

#2 Jun 26, 2007
Jay, you are such a big complainer! Do you have a job or do you sit at your computer writing negative comments to every article that The Star publishes?
Go ahead, try to find a "place to live where things make sense". It's clearly obvious that you have no grip on reality. You distort facts and over-emphasize your negative views. Please find another place to live.
T-Bone

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Jun 26, 2007
Jay,

Instead of complaining, do something about it, why not join the Metro police department since you are so concerned. Become a positive for Indianapolis instead of a negative idiot all of the time.

One thing you are forgetting. Conventions bring lots of money into the city and decrease the demand on local citizens for taxes.

Go ahead a move to say, Detroit. I am sure that will help you feel comfortable.
Julie

United States

#4 Jun 26, 2007
I think it is interesting that the structural engineers on a project are never mentioned.
hmmmm

Redford, MI

#5 Jun 26, 2007
the building is nice, but far from the "landmark" that browne is stating...i think it's yet another missed opportunity for a signature piece of architecture for our fair city.
Snoop Doggie Dog

Palo Alto, CA

#6 Jun 26, 2007
Jay wrote:
William Browne Jr. is Bart Peterson's Albert Speer.
Hey, Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job.
People dying in the streets and we're puitting up a fancy new building at taxpayer expense. I gotta find a place to live where things make sense.
Jay, you're an A-HOLE!!!
Snoop Doggie Dog

Palo Alto, CA

#7 Jun 26, 2007
Julie wrote:
I think it is interesting that the structural engineers on a project are never mentioned.
What's your point? You think the building is going to fall flat as soon as it's built???
Chris

San Jose, CA

#8 Jun 26, 2007
Jay wrote:
William Browne Jr. is Bart Peterson's Albert Speer.
Hey, Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job.
People dying in the streets and we're puitting up a fancy new building at taxpayer expense. I gotta find a place to live where things make sense.
Jay, what kind of job was Mayor Goldsmith doing in 1997 and 1998, which are the years when Indianapolis had its HIGHEST murder rate? In any event, the Convention Center expansion is certainly not why the city/county has a crime problem. In fact, since the convention and trade industry is one of the larger sectors of the city and regional areas economy, the Convention Center expansion ensures that the thousands of people employed by businesses who depend on the convention and trade business will still have jobs. Also, the million or so convention attendees who come annually to Indianapolis (and who otherwise would have no reason to come here considering the local area is neither a major tourist spot, nor a major financial centre) pump hundreds of millions of dollars into the local economy and also pay hotel, car rental, and sales taxes while they are here.
If you want to complain about the Colt's stadium--I would mostly support you and agree the Colt's should be picking up most of the bill on that building. However, you are completely misguided in your remarks about the Convention Center.

The crime problems in Indianapolis have been a long-running issue which has been DECADES in the making. If public safety--and quite frankly, public education--had been a bigger priority and better funded over the years, then the city and metro wouldn't have such a big, expensive problem to fix now. Now, the city-county, as it must, is devoting a tremendous amount of resources toward public safety, and even more funding is coming with the local county income tax increase. Interestly; though, whenever the budget on public safety is raised, the same people who complain that enough isn't being done for public safety, then complain that "throwing money at the problem isn't the answer." In truth, they are partially right.

Government is not the entire answer to solving the problem of crime. At some point, the residents of the city need to take responsibility for their own community. Neighbors need to form neighborhood watch groups to keep an eye on the area, and also, community redevelopment groups to assist struggling areas and clean-up and beautification task forces to keep their surroundings clean and attractive and make it look like people care about the place and are watching what goes on.

Parents need to be responsible--they must ask where their children are going in the evenings, demand they go to school on time, do their school work, and behave in class. Churches need to reach out and offer mentoring and activities for youth and for individuals at-risk for falling into trouble.
Individuals must take personal responsibility learn how to peacefully settle their problems--a good portion of the violent crime in the city involves domestic violence and crimes of passion involving angry disputes with neighbors, friend, etc. The community needs to send the message loudly that violence is never an acceptable way to resolve a minor dispute.

Yes, there will always be the sociopaths and the individuals bent on committing criminal activity who need to be dealt with by the police (along with help from citizens through reporting crimes and cooperating with investigations--the whole "stop snitching" crap needs to go); however,many individuals can be steered away from criminal activity if they know the whole community is watching and will hold them accountable.
Crime

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Jun 26, 2007
I think the point is that if the city put as much energy and enthusiasm into fighting crime as they do into building football stadiums Indy would be a much better place to live.
Chris wrote:
<quoted text>
Jay, what kind of job was Mayor Goldsmith doing in 1997 and 1998, which are the years when Indianapolis had its HIGHEST murder rate? In any event, the Convention Center expansion is certainly not why the city/county has a crime problem. In fact, since the convention and trade industry is one of the larger sectors of the city and regional areas economy, the Convention Center expansion ensures that the thousands of people employed by businesses who depend on the convention and trade business will still have jobs. Also, the million or so convention attendees who come annually to Indianapolis (and who otherwise would have no reason to come here considering the local area is neither a major tourist spot, nor a major financial centre) pump hundreds of millions of dollars into the local economy and also pay hotel, car rental, and sales taxes while they are here.
If you want to complain about the Colt's stadium--I would mostly support you and agree the Colt's should be picking up most of the bill on that building. However, you are completely misguided in your remarks about the Convention Center.
The crime problems in Indianapolis have been a long-running issue which has been DECADES in the making. If public safety--and quite frankly, public education--had been a bigger priority and better funded over the years, then the city and metro wouldn't have such a big, expensive problem to fix now. Now, the city-county, as it must, is devoting a tremendous amount of resources toward public safety, and even more funding is coming with the local county income tax increase. Interestly; though, whenever the budget on public safety is raised, the same people who complain that enough isn't being done for public safety, then complain that "throwing money at the problem isn't the answer." In truth, they are partially right.
Government is not the entire answer to solving the problem of crime. At some point, the residents of the city need to take responsibility for their own community. Neighbors need to form neighborhood watch groups to keep an eye on the area, and also, community redevelopment groups to assist struggling areas and clean-up and beautification task forces to keep their surroundings clean and attractive and make it look like people care about the place and are watching what goes on.
Parents need to be responsible--they must ask where their children are going in the evenings, demand they go to school on time, do their school work, and behave in class. Churches need to reach out and offer mentoring and activities for youth and for individuals at-risk for falling into trouble.
Individuals must take personal responsibility learn how to peacefully settle their problems--a good portion of the violent crime in the city involves domestic violence and crimes of passion involving angry disputes with neighbors, friend, etc. The community needs to send the message loudly that violence is never an acceptable way to resolve a minor dispute.
Yes, there will always be the sociopaths and the individuals bent on committing criminal activity who need to be dealt with by the police (along with help from citizens through reporting crimes and cooperating with investigations--the whole "stop snitching" crap needs to go); however,many individuals can be steered away from criminal activity if they know the whole community is watching and will hold them accountable.
Some thoughts

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Jun 26, 2007
They are miffed that their taxes are going up and have to vent somewhere.
Steven

Plano, TX

#11 Jun 26, 2007
Julie wrote:
I think it is interesting that the structural engineers on a project are never mentioned.
Julie, May I venture a guess...either you are a structural engineer or you are related to one.
Say What

Fishers, IN

#12 Jun 26, 2007
Crime wrote:
I think the point is that if the city put as much energy and enthusiasm into fighting crime as they do into building football stadiums Indy would be a much better place to live.
<quoted text>
Please find a city the size of Indianapolis in this country that has a lower crime rate than we do. Because crime is talked about more and reported faster today than years ago the fact remains our crime rate is not that high when compared to other cities our size.
Steven

Plano, TX

#13 Jun 26, 2007
Jay wrote:
William Browne Jr. is Bart Peterson's Albert Speer.
Hey, Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job.
People dying in the streets and we're puitting up a fancy new building at taxpayer expense. I gotta find a place to live where things make sense.
Jay, Let me know when you are ready to move and I'll come over and help you pack your bags and hold the door open for you so it doesn't smack you in your little cry-baby, whiney-ass butt. Just as the new convention center will be an asset to our wonderful city, so too will you moving elsewhere.
Capetonian at Heart

Cincinnati, OH

#14 Jun 26, 2007
hmmmm wrote:
the building is nice, but far from the "landmark" that browne is stating...i think it's yet another missed opportunity for a signature piece of architecture for our fair city.
Yes..
Well, Indianapolis is luke warm piss after all.
Jay

Carmel, IN

#15 Jun 26, 2007
Sorry all. I am a grouch today. I just broke up with my boyfriend and he took all of the toys.
Jay wrote:
William Browne Jr. is Bart Peterson's Albert Speer.
Hey, Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job.
People dying in the streets and we're puitting up a fancy new building at taxpayer expense. I gotta find a place to live where things make sense.
Angered

Indianapolis, IN

#16 Jun 26, 2007
Hey lets spend a whole bunch more of our money, to make everyone else rich!!!
I say lets just give them a budget of say $500.000,000, thats what it will end up costing us.
Just raise our property and local payroll taxes, hell we don't pay that much in local income taxes anyway.
Chris

West Hollywood, CA

#17 Jun 26, 2007
Crime wrote:
I think the point is that if the city put as much energy and enthusiasm into fighting crime as they do into building football stadiums Indy would be a much better place to live.
<quoted text>
Again, the article is about the Convention Center expansion--not the Colt's stadium. I already agreed that the Colt's stadium should NOT have been a major priority of local government. However, the stadium is funded by a sales tax, not property taxes which are used to pay for police, courts, etc. While the sales tax may reduce the tolerance for additional taxes to pay for public safety, it does not in and of itself take money away from the public safety budget. In any event, as mentioned, the story is about the Convention Center.

I agree that public safety needs to be a top priority of local government. However, the crime problem didn't happen overnight, it didn't happen over the past 10 years--in fact, it slowly brewed over about the past 40 years or so. The Marion County Jail has been under federal oversight (which is just now being lifted) since the very early 1970's, and most of the neighborhoods were much of the violent crime occurs in the city have been rundown since at least the early 1960's. Local government and local residents put both public safety and public education below many other priorities. Now, the city has a huge (and I would say related) problems in both areas, which will cost a lot of money and take a lot of time to fix.

Also, my original comments stated that the crime problem needs not just action by local government, but by the whole community. If anyone thinks local government will solve everything--no matter how much money it spends on the problem--then they are sadly mistaken. Crime is a community problem which requires action by the community in several different areas.

But, getting back to the Convention Center expansion, I think it is an important public investment in an important segment of the local metropolitan economy. The Convention Center generates revenue for the city, it is not entertainment or recreation, it is a business facility. Large conventions have already gone to other cities because the Convention Center no longer offers enough space for the city to accommodate them. When the city loses a convention it loses millions of dollars per convention. Indianapolis is not a major tourist destination nor is it a major financial center. These are not people who would be in the city otherwise. They spend money while here and they also pay hotel, rental, and sales taxes. The expansion is money invested to generate more money.
Mick

Kirklin, IN

#18 Jun 27, 2007
hmmmm wrote:
the building is nice, but far from the "landmark" that browne is stating...i think it's yet another missed opportunity for a signature piece of architecture for our fair city.
Ah, you've never worked in an architecture office in Indiana, have you? There are plenty of architects in the city that have landmark and cutting edge ideas (Ratio being one of them), but the people of Indy are generally too conservative and closed minded for that type of architecture.

As an example, look at the architectural firm of HKS. They did two stadiums recently. One is the new stadium for Dallas, the other is Lucas Oil Stadium. Dallas' stadium is cutting edge architecture, cutting edge technology, and a landmark. Indianapolis' stadium is an old, tired, brick and limestone dog. If you squint your eyes it looks like every other building in Indianapolis. Most of the time it isn't the architect, it's the client.

And yes, Bill Browne called it a landmark, but what is he going to say, "Well, it's the best we could do given the budget constraints and poor taste in architecture by the client." Browne delivered a very good building, given the circumstances.

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