Wal-Mart coming to long vacant East H...

Wal-Mart coming to long vacant East Hills shopping center site

There are 59 comments on the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette story from Feb 16, 2007, titled Wal-Mart coming to long vacant East Hills shopping center site. In it, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that:

V.W.H. Campbell Jr., Post-Gazette The former East Hills Shopping Center, which once was the home of discarded tires and trash, could soon be the site of a Wal-Mart Supercenter.

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Eddie

United States

#1 Feb 17, 2007
Great, another place for moms to drop off the kids and abandon them. Have you ever gone to the Wal-Mart in North Versailles? It is like a third world country. You have kids catching football, riding bikes in the toy aisle. You have people waliking around shopping, on their cell phones & eating chips/chicken and drinking pop that they haven't even paid for. I have been in Wal-Marts in other areas including N Carolina & S Carolina and have never never seen one like this. It is not the fact that it is a Wal-Mart, but, it is the area. If this new one opens, it will be the same exact thing. Heck, maybe if it does open, the N Versailles one will improve???
obillyboy

Fredonia, NY

#2 Feb 20, 2007
I think it would be a welcome addition to the area. Right now there is basically no where local to shop. Residents in the area have to travel a distance to get groceries. It has to look better than the vacant lot that there is now. It was starting to look like quite an eye sore and will help give the area new life. I still remember the downfall of the old shopping center when the two Wilkinsburg cops were killed there.

“Clinton is a Liar, Period!”

Since: Jan 07

Pittsburgh, PA

#3 Feb 20, 2007
This has got to be Wal-Mart's way of creating a scene where shoplifting tactics can be observed and new storewide action taken. Kind of a training camp for shoplifting security. I give this 2 years at most - if Rendell wont pony up the losses so Onarato can be considered for governor this store will close.
Hope

Charleroi, PA

#4 Mar 14, 2007
obillyboy wrote:
I think it would be a welcome addition to the area. Right now there is basically no where local to shop. Residents in the area have to travel a distance to get groceries. It has to look better than the vacant lot that there is now. It was starting to look like quite an eye sore and will help give the area new life. I still remember the downfall of the old shopping center when the two Wilkinsburg cops were killed there.
I agree, but this IS pittsburgh we're talking about, and there will always be those people who will never have anything positive to say about anything that is happening in a Black neighborhood.

Welcome Wal-Mart!
Eddie

United States

#5 Mar 15, 2007
I give it 2- 3 years, and it will close. Wal- Mart will figure out that it made a mistake. Fopr the area's sake, I certainly hope that this does not happen. It will be an improvement to the area and a shot in the arm. I have a family member who works in an area Wal-Mart, N Versailles, and the shoplifting is horrendous. They are finding chicken bones and half finished bottles of pop in with clothes, appliances, toys, etc.... If I was dying of thirst or starving, I would NEVER think of drinking or eating something without first paying for it. I have witnessed it myself numerous times. I see people leaving their 3 or 4 kids in the toy department by themselves without supervision, playing with toys, etc.... I see people walking around talking on their cell phones for the whole store to hear, swearing & carrying on, like they are not in public. I see people going up to a register which is 20 items or less with about 100 items. I see people at a register, with a ton of food, the best of meats, and using their Access Card to pay for hundreds of dollars of food. I see these same people in the parking lot, putting their hundreds of dollars of food into their Escalades and Navigators. I see these same people putting their carts up against someone's car because they are too lazy to put it back.. Then, I see these same people pulling out of a Handicapped Parking Space and they do not look handicapped, nor do they have a Handicapped placard in their windshield. What gives? This happens at Wal- Marts more than anything,close to the inner- city. A lot of people don't care, and a lot do not have any pride, unfortunately. I hope I am wrong with this new one, and I hope it does well and is successful.
Hope wrote:
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I agree, but this IS pittsburgh we're talking about, and there will always be those people who will never have anything positive to say about anything that is happening in a Black neighborhood.
Welcome Wal-Mart!
Mackenzie

United States

#6 Apr 4, 2007
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white lightning

Mckeesport, PA

#7 Oct 7, 2007
Why do these people think East Hills failed in the first place ? Look what happened to the
K-Mart near Kennywood. Shoplifting & the fear of lawsuits over security made it better business sense to just close. Eddie was right, that Wal-Mart is a good place to take your kids to teach them what can happen if you don't work hard & get an education, Just look around,it's a 24/7, 365
days a year zoo with no admission.
To Whitey and Eddie

Plano, TX

#8 Oct 17, 2007
Why are you in the hood anyway? You are probably best staying at Abercrombie and Fitch! Maybe we could add some shopping products at your local Starbucks? The inner-city areas do have quite a few decent folks who would enjoy the convienience
of having a variety of products under one roof! It's all good in the hood! If you had such a bad experience, stay in the Suburbs! You must be penguin fans!
White Lightning

Mckeesport, PA

#9 Oct 17, 2007
First off, never been in A&F & never will, don't like coffee & don't waste my time on ANY pro sports with the millionaire crybabies. Grew up in Duquesne & McKeesport & still don't live in the suburbs.Never said there were no decent people there. Now that I 'splained that, don't tell me there ain't no truth to what we said. Either you never been there or you're just plain denying it. I've seen people in that Wal-Mart roll hams on the floor at the check-out because they didn't want them or eating hot foods from the deli & dumping the container in sporting goods & not pay for it.
You call these 'decent people', I sure as hell don't. I work every day for a living & can't afford to spend the money they do. In fact I look around & wonder which one is my welfare family I have to pay for. The stores get robbed blind & how would you stay in business if people steal what you paid for. Like I said , I don't live in the 'burbs' & if you got no where to shop, why don't you move away from them 'decent people'.
I'll drive somewhere else to shop, I ain't taking food home to my family that some low-life threw on the floor.
Eddie

Saltsburg, PA

#10 Oct 18, 2007
Oh man, where to begin with this one.

First of all, White Lightning right on the money again.

I've never lived in the suburbs, never been to an Abercrombie & Fitch, I don't like Starbucks Coffee. Matter of fact, I probably buy myself some clothes every couple of years. When I do, it's on clearance and most likely at Kohl's or even Goodwill. Hell, I'm not ashamed to say that.Remember, I am a working man and the working man gets the shaft because of the lazy asses who can't seem to get a job. I have lived in McKeesport virtually my entire life, and to be perfectly honest with you, I like where I live. Tell me , since I live in this city, does that mean I should shoplift? Get Welfare? Access? Steal purses? Does this qualify me for a shoplifting event & eating frency @ Wal-Mart and on the store's dime? I am not speaking to the entire Wal- Mart crowd, but, am addressing the idiots who steal food, walking around the store eating food and haven't even paid for it and won't. I bust my ass, and so does my wife, and we are the ones suffering with high grocery prices because of some punk with no morales. We are so sick of paying some low- life's way through life. Every time I am in a store and I see some Welfare bum whipping out their Access Card, I say " they must know I just got paid".
I look out for my family first. My son, my wife, my mother, siblings, and then me. Sorry pal, but, I am not looking out for you. Oh, the Penguin fan comment? I have no idea what this has to do with anything. By the way, I am a fan to the local sports teams, but, they do not rule my life. They could all lose the rest of their games, and move away and I would survive. I do not live in a fantasy world. Sounds like you may.
To Whitey and Eddie wrote:
Why are you in the hood anyway? You are probably best staying at Abercrombie and Fitch! Maybe we could add some shopping products at your local Starbucks? The inner-city areas do have quite a few decent folks who would enjoy the convienience
of having a variety of products under one roof! It's all good in the hood! If you had such a bad experience, stay in the Suburbs! You must be penguin fans!
White Lightning

Mckeesport, PA

#11 Oct 19, 2007
One other question, how does the are near Wal-Mart in North Versailles become the 'hood'? Maybe at the first of the month when the Access cards come in. And why, please tell me why, when people have a chance to leave the inner cities or ghettos as some call them, still want to take the 'hood mentality' with them. You get a home, take care of it, cut the grass, pick up the garbage, clean the walks in the winter, take some pride in where you live, yourself & work to make things better for your family. It's all we have in this world, so let's make it better.
RELKO

United States

#12 Oct 20, 2007
Wal-Mart, Why don't you try the MOON ?
Paul

Milwaukee, WI

#13 Oct 22, 2007
Eddie wrote:
I've never lived in the suburbs, never been to an Abercrombie & Fitch, I don't like Starbucks Coffee.
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Yeah, but you and White Lightning are still a racists. I hope you'd agree with me.
Eddie wrote:
I see these same people putting their carts up against someone's car because they are too lazy to put it back.
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Yeah, lets assume the same thing will happen in East Hills just because the residents there have the same color of skin.


Ever wonder what kind of generalizations put "these people" into the position they're in? The same kind of racist logic that you have. The black male unemployment rate is almost 10%, compared to the 4.5% national average.( http://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publis... )
Don't be so quick to call "these people" lazy.

Become a little more educated before you start making generalizations about the entire East Hills neighborhood population.
Awayatwork

Arlington, TX

#14 Oct 23, 2007
Yeah, Paul
I think we can all agree on who the real racist is. Oh wait, you cannot be called a racist.. lets try activist. How can you be blind to the fact there is a problem here? We got to blame this on someone, so of course, lets blame the white man. It’s a lot more difficult to get up everyday and go to work and bust your ass for living than it is "hustle" in the village. That is why the higher rate of unemployment. I'm sorry; they aren’t just handing out good jobs with out any credentials. I really don’t get what you’re trying to prove by your post. In some ways, it proves the point.

My generalizations haven’t put anyone anywhere. I think all of us that replied are "educated" enough to make generalizations about the east hills because we see it everyday.
Paul

Milwaukee, WI

#15 Oct 23, 2007
Awayatwork,

The unemployment rate for African American males is not double the national average because they are out "hustling."

I'm not saying there aren't risks associated with putting a commercial development in a predominately black neighborhood, I was pointing out the unfairness of White Lightning and Eddie's generalizations about black people.

The City of Pittsburgh is working hard to transform this area, from what it was--a dysfunctional public housing project and an incredibly unattractive vacant shopping center--into a potentially beautiful and desirable place to live and shop.

Everyone needs to stop shooting down the possibility of this development being successful and give it a chance.
Eddie

Saltsburg, PA

#16 Oct 23, 2007
Racist?

Paul,because I am talking about people abusing the system, whether it is Access/Welfare, or stealing from Wal- Mart, why am I a racist? Tell me where I made a racist comment? When did I say White/Black/Oriental, or whatever?

Sounds like you have your own ideas already of who is abusing the system.

Paul

Milwaukee, WI

#17 Oct 23, 2007
Excuse me for making the inference, but we are talking about a potential development in a black neighborhood, and theres no need for me to quote your obvious bias against a certain group of "these people" whom you seem to have seen abusing the system.

All I'm saying is that it is unfair to imply that you will see the same conditions as seen in N. Versailles simply because (again an inference) that this development is planned for a black neighborhood.

I think that, along with the public improvement of the adjacent residential zone, this store has the potential to help further improve the area. Seeing people putting hundreds of dollars worth of food into Navigators and Escalades wouldn't make me question that improvement.
White Lightning

Mckeesport, PA

#18 Oct 23, 2007
You act as if we have no exposure to black people.
I've worked for years on all 3 shifts with guys who grew up in those areas, the Hill, Homewood-Brushton. In their words, they told me they didn't want to raise their families there. Most of them had moved years ago out beyond Monroeville & elsewhere. What you have in many of these old steel-towns are many whites & blacks
that don't have the drive to better themselves.
And the unemployment excuse don't cut it. I lost my job, making good money in the mill in 1982. Most of the mills, Westinghouse plants and the businesses that supplied them closed. There had never been or could there ever be again so many unemployed people in this valley. I went from almost $15 an hour to $4 an hour because $4 bucks an hour was better than no dollars an hour. There are jobs out there & you can at least work until a better job comes along. But you have to try, work one job while you seek another. It took me 5 years to make over $8 an hour, and I kept looking. There just ain't no excuses for a lazy man, I don't care what color he is.
White Lightning

Mckeesport, PA

#19 Oct 23, 2007
Another thing, the drugstore which had been right
down the road from East Hills for over 50 years was forced to close a year or so ago. It was the only place for the people there, including the elderly to get their medicines. It survived for years in a mostly black neighborhood & all was fine. It's not the black people as a whole that contribute to the problem, it's the wanna be thugs who won't find a job, it was the thugs who repeatedly robbed this drug store until the old owners were forced to close after years of supporting the area. Call em like you see em.
Paul

Milwaukee, WI

#20 Oct 23, 2007
I'm sure there are plenty of people who fit into the category of "lazy" in East Hills. I'm sure that there will be instances of unacceptable behavior at the Wal-Mart in East Hills. But I can't say that without also acknowledging that I've witnessed all types of that unacceptable behavior in stores like the Wal-Mart in Fox Chapel.

East Hills in its heyday was a place that would have been considered a desirable place to live--for anyone.

The city has put a lot of work and money into the redevelopment of the housing in East Hills. Wal-Mart has potential to stimulate the economy. With a little time, East Hills might be able to lose to stigma.

This store was not meant to just be some training camp for shoplifting and security, its part of a bigger picture to save a community.

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