ACLU: Men's Central Jail fosters 'cul...

ACLU: Men's Central Jail fosters 'culture of violence and fear'

There are 19 comments on the Daily Breeze story from May 5, 2010, titled ACLU: Men's Central Jail fosters 'culture of violence and fear'. In it, Daily Breeze reports that:

The Men's Central Jail in downtown Los Angeles fosters a "culture of violence and fear" that allows guards to routinely deliver brutal beatings to prisoners, resulting in broken bones and other severe injuries, the ACLU alleged in a report released Wednesday.

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Letting People Know

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#1 May 5, 2010
Who cares, they are criminals anyway and do not deserve to have rights.
OMG

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#2 May 5, 2010
OMG!!! Please tell me that it is not true!!! Jail actually is a violent place? And according to Mary Tiedeman, project director of ACLU Southern California, she routinely saw bruises and marks on prisoners which were caused by "boot marks" and flashlights. Gee, I did not know that ACLU has a CSI team? Hmmm, how about if you don't want to get your butt kicked by the deputies or other inmates, don't commit any crimes!!! Maybe ACLU should bring some calming green teas and aromatherapy candles to the jail so everyone could have a harmonious day.......
Floyd

United States

#3 May 5, 2010
LA County is Gladiator School, it has been that way for a long time.
Gladiator in Torrance

Torrance, CA

#5 May 5, 2010
Lower jail populations are you crazy they commented crimes you are risking peoples lives here. No jobs in California how do you expect a repeat offender to change his ways. Menís central jail tagged as the most barbaric of any jail or prison oh really. Oh well no one said it was going to be a dam cakewalk in jail. Who is going to pay for this extra funding to purchase electronic monitoring devices? What is the cost to have device monitored once there clamped onto ankle? What is the cost for diversion programs? Since you mentioned it lets see the dollars and cents here.
Casey

Winnetka, CA

#6 May 5, 2010
They are criminals! we should make the place so horrible they wont ever want to go back! Im talking tent cities in the desert, big rocks into small rocks, bread and water!!! They will be done being a criminal real freakin quick! The more comfortable you make it, the less they care about coming back!
Jerrys kid

El Segundo, CA

#8 May 5, 2010
That "50 year old jail " (twin towers?) was completed, brand new about 10 years ago. It was attached to an older building that has been remodeled, rennovated and added to for maybe the last 50 years. Very little remains from the original facility. The present place is well equipped with video cameras.
We must remember why these poor innocents are in custody (criminal acts)and not cited out on their own recogniscence (felony or poor release risk). Ask anyone that has had the misfortune to end up there for an all expenses paid weekend. Mind your own bid-ness, drop the bad atty-tude, drop the thug life posture (nobody will believe you anyway) and follow simple directions. You will get out unscathed, without any problems. Forget your manners, you will most likely get thumped by someone in custody who is violent in nature (which is why he is there).
Holy cow DB

United States

#9 May 5, 2010
Could this be a worse slanted acticle?
Dr Wight

El Segundo, CA

#10 May 5, 2010
Yup. Denise or Larry could write it.
Mich

Sun Valley, CA

#11 May 6, 2010
I'm always amazed at people that wish inmates to suffer cruel and unusual punishment. Do you folks not understand our Bill of Rights or is it some self righteous insanity/delusion you're experiencing?

A guy breaks into a house and steals $3000 worth of stuff. What is appropriate punishment? Lock the creep in a small cell 24/7 with 9 other guys with no opportunity to stay clean so wounds develop and spread staff infections. Surroundings are filthy, food horrible, possibility of getting raped and/or shanked constant. Would it be that unconscionable to provide the creep access to showers, decent food, education, and a safe environment to serve the sentence? Would it not be prudent to prepare the inmate for being a productive person when they return to the outside world?

You people know better than to treat a pet dog poorly, as you know that dog will become a biter/ problem animal. But you can't translate such to humans?

The entire criminal justice system is a train wreck and certainly placing a man into barbarian conditions doesn't help society. We could learn much from the Norwegians. http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2008/02/nor...
Typical

Victorville, CA

#12 May 6, 2010
Maybe they would like to be in the Maricopa County Jail in Arizona (Sheriff Arpaio). Living in tents in 110 degree weather, wearing pink underwear, no coffee, no lifting weights so they can get stronger when they get out and commit more crimes, watching the Disney Channel. As the great Sheriff states, "if our troop in Iraq can fight for our country in 120 degree weather in full combat uniform" then these criminals can live in tents, and wear pink underwear. These people are criminals and our troop fighting for America are not" Sheriff Joe Arpaio for President!!!!
Jeff

Redondo Beach, CA

#13 May 6, 2010
Isn't obvious the place fosters a culture of violence and fear. That is a good thing - it is jail and not to be a country club. Those inmates created fear against the innocent.
Tamerlane

Tallahassee, FL

#14 May 6, 2010
Jeff wrote:
Isn't obvious the place fosters a culture of violence and fear. That is a good thing - it is jail and not to be a country club. Those inmates created fear against the innocent.
I fail to see how making criminals worse is a benefit to society.
Letting People Know

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#15 May 6, 2010
Mich wrote:
I'm always amazed at people that wish inmates to suffer cruel and unusual punishment. Do you folks not understand our Bill of Rights or is it some self righteous insanity/delusion you're experiencing?
A guy breaks into a house and steals $3000 worth of stuff. What is appropriate punishment? Lock the creep in a small cell 24/7 with 9 other guys with no opportunity to stay clean so wounds develop and spread staff infections. Surroundings are filthy, food horrible, possibility of getting raped and/or shanked constant. Would it be that unconscionable to provide the creep access to showers, decent food, education, and a safe environment to serve the sentence? Would it not be prudent to prepare the inmate for being a productive person when they return to the outside world?
You people know better than to treat a pet dog poorly, as you know that dog will become a biter/ problem animal. But you can't translate such to humans?
The entire criminal justice system is a train wreck and certainly placing a man into barbarian conditions doesn't help society. We could learn much from the Norwegians. http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2008/02/nor...
Why should society pay for these idiots and their mistakes. I do not need any hippie crap about equality and stuff like that. Make the conditions horrible, make the punishments severe and watch crime go down. Sorry hippie guy, go listen to your Dead CD's and wear your tie dyed shirts but it does not work with lawless idiots who do not respect others
Rose

Indio, CA

#16 May 7, 2010
It's the WHOLE JUSTICE SYSTEM that needs REFORM! ALONG WITH THE CORRECTIONAL SYSTEM AND IT'S PEOPLES THAT ARE THE CORRECTIONS.THERE MUST BE LIABILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO THE ABUSERS THAT ARE EXCESSIVE,THE INJURIES TELL ALL!THEN THERE IS THE UNSEEN ABUSE MENTAL AND INTERNAL.

KNOW GOD SEE'S ALL, AND ALL THINGS.
You have no idea

Bakersfield, CA

#17 Jun 18, 2010
Do you know why HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of people are there? The inablity to bay bail or even fines as low as 100 dollars due to the econmy, job loss, the INABILTY TO PAY FOR CAR REGISTRATION or renew drivers liscences. YES--THOSE kinds of "criminals" are held. Those awaiting trial, those who were booked into the system and booked out with warrants to appear. The FEAR was so great from the few hours held that the FEAR of being sent back was GREATER then the fear of eventually being caught. Until you have seen it, you don't know. Heads kicked in because the deputies were BORED. Wards TRASHED because someone tried to make a makeshift PILLOW out of SOFT GOODS. Or a blindfold to sleep in the middle of the room where the lights are never off. what about when they turn the water off as punishment---in the two very public toilets used by hundreds of inmates.
i USED to be like you. I used to say "throw the book at them" i used to say "lock them up and throw away the key> Until keys were gouged into ears and books were LITERALLY THROWN into someone eye--why? Because the guards showed up and saw inmates talking--which is NOT against the rules.
And if you think it's bad on the inside, you wait until your family has to deal with it on the outside. Expensive parking for a visit...familys who can't pay a fine can't cough up the money to park, or get phone calls (which is a complete scam) I always thought we had the best justice system in the world, until I had to deal with it. It's true, we treat our dogs better.(and i love my dogs) but if someone treated your dog like this, you would be outraged. Where is the outrage when it is your fellow man? Or someone with untreated OCD who cannot afford treatment--massive mental issues run rampant..and not just in the inmates. I hope you will take my word for it, because I would not wish this sort of treatment on anyone. even the clueless.
I have never been a fan of the ACLU, but my hat is off to them. And you really have no idea.
Moko

Redondo Beach, CA

#18 Jun 19, 2010
OMG wrote:
OMG!!! Please tell me that it is not true!!! Jail actually is a violent place? And according to Mary Tiedeman, project director of ACLU Southern California, she routinely saw bruises and marks on prisoners which were caused by "boot marks" and flashlights. Gee, I did not know that ACLU has a CSI team? Hmmm, how about if you don't want to get your butt kicked by the deputies or other inmates, don't commit any crimes!!! Maybe ACLU should bring some calming green teas and aromatherapy candles to the jail so everyone could have a harmonious day.......
What do you expect from a group that had Tony Villar as president of. I blame the ACLU for tearing down our leagal system.
el redondo

Los Angeles, CA

#19 Jun 20, 2010
You speak the truth, brother. Close friend ensnared into the "system" told me everyone should spend a night in jail. Didn't know what the hell he meant until I did. Animals do get better treatment than prisoners. Please remember these "criminals" could be you one day. Innocent people have been put to death in this country. Not everyone in jail is guilty. Afford them humane treatment. The homeless end up there for nothing more than existing, but unable to pay ever increasing fines.
You have no idea wrote:
Do you know why HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of people are there? The inablity to bay bail or even fines as low as 100 dollars due to the econmy, job loss, the INABILTY TO PAY FOR CAR REGISTRATION or renew drivers liscences. YES--THOSE kinds of "criminals" are held. Those awaiting trial, those who were booked into the system and booked out with warrants to appear. The FEAR was so great from the few hours held that the FEAR of being sent back was GREATER then the fear of eventually being caught. Until you have seen it, you don't know. Heads kicked in because the deputies were BORED. Wards TRASHED because someone tried to make a makeshift PILLOW out of SOFT GOODS. Or a blindfold to sleep in the middle of the room where the lights are never off. what about when they turn the water off as punishment---in the two very public toilets used by hundreds of inmates.
i USED to be like you. I used to say "throw the book at them" i used to say "lock them up and throw away the key> Until keys were gouged into ears and books were LITERALLY THROWN into someone eye--why? Because the guards showed up and saw inmates talking--which is NOT against the rules.
And if you think it's bad on the inside, you wait until your family has to deal with it on the outside. Expensive parking for a visit...familys who can't pay a fine can't cough up the money to park, or get phone calls (which is a complete scam) I always thought we had the best justice system in the world, until I had to deal with it. It's true, we treat our dogs better.(and i love my dogs) but if someone treated your dog like this, you would be outraged. Where is the outrage when it is your fellow man? Or someone with untreated OCD who cannot afford treatment--massive mental issues run rampant..and not just in the inmates. I hope you will take my word for it, because I would not wish this sort of treatment on anyone. even the clueless.
I have never been a fan of the ACLU, but my hat is off to them. And you really have no idea.
Too Bad

United States

#20 Jun 20, 2010
What planet r u from, I can safely say. I will never end up in jail. It is. Not a fun place & should never be, IT IS JAIL not Disneyland!
el redondo wrote:
You speak the truth, brother. Close friend ensnared into the "system" told me everyone should spend a night in jail. Didn't know what the hell he meant until I did. Animals do get better treatment than prisoners. Please remember these "criminals" could be you one day. Innocent people have been put to death in this country. Not everyone in jail is guilty. Afford them humane treatment. The homeless end up there for nothing more than existing, but unable to pay ever increasing fines.
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Letting People Know

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#21 Jun 23, 2010
#1 way to stay out of jail, do not put yourself in a situation that will have you wind up there. Lose the idiot friends and losers, don't hang out with loser gang bangers, and if you have to ask if something being done is bad, most likely it is.

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