Baptist Verson of Book of Mormon

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“"LDS Christian"”

Since: Nov 07

Indianapolis, IN

#1 May 23, 2009
So many people are intrigued or curious about the Mormons and what we believe. Through the years I have seen what Anti-Mormons are putting out there to scare their flocks away from investigating the Mormon Church. Many times it's all about 'sheep stealing' and 'boundary maintenance.' The scare tactics amount to noting more than bearing false witness and I thought this thread would be a good way to share some great information so people can learn that they don't need to fear their Mormon neighbors or the missionaries if they should knock on their doors. The missionaries are only looking for those who are looking for more in their lives and are taught to not argue with those who have no desire to change their preferred religion. They are respectful young people who many times are treated with lots of disrespect. The missionaries also do all sorts of service work, no strings attached which is part of being a good Christian. Things like helping people move or many other types of service. I have had two brothers and two sons serve missions and one son even helped coach the local high school wrestling team and the town did a newspaper article about it.
http://levimele.blogspot.com/
These missionaries are regular kids who give two years of their lives to serve the Lord and when you are in the service of your fellow man you are also in the service of the Lord. So those who have needs don't hesitate to call the Mormon missionaries to come and help you. I went through my son's mission after he came home and met many non-members friends he had made who love these missionaries and they invited us to dinner. It's not just about sharing the 'Good Word.' It's being real saints, good neighbors and respecting diversity and any Mormon will jump in and give help not just the missionaries.
Mormons want to live in peace with their neighbors but also want to be understood and that means we want people to have the correct information about what Mormon believe not the lies, half-truths and misconceptions the Anti-Mormons use. A great quote from a famous Christian comes to mind.
"I think we may accept it as a rule that whenever a person's religious conversation dwells chiefly, or even frequently, on the faults of other people's religions, he is in a bad condition."
-C.S. Lewis (Collected Letters Vol. 3 p. 209).
In the spirit of being understood I wanted to share about an interesting person, a Baptist Minister who preaches from the Book of Mormon. He is a very interesting Baptist Minister who has a website and is attacked for his views he has but under fire he has an amazing Christlike attitude and I think that is how most Christians want to be...at least I do. Here is he's great article:

The Baptist Version of The Book of Mormon
Protestant Doctrines within the Book of Mormon
by Lynn Ridenhour,
Southern Baptist Minister
http://www.centerplace.org/library/bofm/bapti...

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“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#2 May 23, 2009
Hannah, I couldn't have said it better myself. It amazes me at the number of people who call themselves christian and then engage in the type of behavior you see on these forums.

Sometimes you find those of other faiths who want to learn about us, out of curiousity and to broaden their knowledge. They mean no ill will and are very respectful.
Then theres the rest.

Baptist and mormons could actually get along quite well, if some of them would take the time to learn for themselves and not follow the crowd.
Kentucky Mormon

Helenwood, TN

#3 May 23, 2009
Here in the Whitley city area, I think people are afraid to open their doors when they see a Mormon missionary there. It is so sad for the missionaries for they do not understand this behavior and only want to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I would like to invite anyone to ask any questions they may have on this forum. You may be in a church that is preaching against us or about us and think your pastor would be mad if you talked to a Mormon and asked questions. They may have even went so far as to tell you you will "go to h..." if you talk to a Mormon or even touch or look at a book of Mormon.

Please do not be decieved about us. We love our community and only want us to come together to talk and understand each other.

This is your chance to ask questions anomyously with fear of reprecussion.

Please be repectful and you will get respect in return.
Kentucky Mormon

Helenwood, TN

#4 May 23, 2009
Sorry..............WITHOUT fear of reprecussion. My bad.

“"LDS Christian"”

Since: Nov 07

San Francisco, CA

#5 May 23, 2009
Kentucky Mormon wrote:
Here in the Whitley city area, I think people are afraid to open their doors when they see a Mormon missionary there. It is so sad for the missionaries for they do not understand this behavior and only want to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I would like to invite anyone to ask any questions they may have on this forum. You may be in a church that is preaching against us or about us and think your pastor would be mad if you talked to a Mormon and asked questions. They may have even went so far as to tell you you will "go to h..." if you talk to a Mormon or even touch or look at a book of Mormon.
Please do not be decieved about us. We love our community and only want us to come together to talk and understand each other.
This is your chance to ask questions anomyously with fear of reprecussion.
Please be repectful and you will get respect in return.
Is it really that bad where Mormons are treated this way? I know when I moved to Indiana there was an area that had a significant Anti-Mormon following.
When I grew up in New Mexico and later lived in Reno, Nevada the Mormons were respected. Is this attitude common in the East or the South and what particular or dominate Christian religion are most of these people?
I have ran across a lot of Anti-Mormons on Topix and I know from experience how nasty they can be but I just chalked it up to people who were anonymous on the internet and having at it when in real life I would bet they would not act that way to strangers or even ones they know.

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#6 May 23, 2009
Hannah Rebekah wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it really that bad where Mormons are treated this way? I know when I moved to Indiana there was an area that had a significant Anti-Mormon following.
When I grew up in New Mexico and later lived in Reno, Nevada the Mormons were respected. Is this attitude common in the East or the South and what particular or dominate Christian religion are most of these people?
I have ran across a lot of Anti-Mormons on Topix and I know from experience how nasty they can be but I just chalked it up to people who were anonymous on the internet and having at it when in real life I would bet they would not act that way to strangers or even ones they know.
yeah, kentucky mormon has spoken the truth :)
Like kentucky we live in the bible belt. Mormons are treated as odd or strange. I guess in some ways we are, but not in the ways they portray us to be. It seems to me that the worst are the baptist, it may be different in kentucky. Here they are scared of us. Because they have been taught to be and because they usually haven't a clue to our beliefs. Many times when I talk to a baptist person who shows up at my door tracking, they are surprised to hear that we are not so different from the mainstream christian church.
Sure our doctrine is different, but our beliefs in christ are the same. They don't realize that we accept him as our savior. Every once and a while, they will leave my doorstep more confused about their own faith than they are mine. They start understanding that our beliefs make sense.
Its a sad thing that many will not accept the missionaries.
Lehi

Oneida, TN

#7 May 23, 2009
I had an man tell me that he wouldn't come to our church because we close our prayers in the name of Joseph Smith. When I assured him that we didn't and closed them in the name of Jesus Christ, he just laughed and walked away. Actually I was glad he did.lol

I talked with a life long friend of mine once about the Book of Mormon and he asked me if I knew why he was a Baptist and when I said no, he said it was because of John the Baptist. I looked at him kind of puzzled and he told me that John the Baptist was the first Baptist. I offered to study with him on some things about the Bible and he said no because he thought I was going to try and trick him, maybe it was the smile on my face.:)

I have also talked to people that said their pastor told them to never look at the Book of Mormon because it was evil and since they respect him as a pastor the will not even touch one. One lady said that if she touched one, her hands would burst into flames. The elders I was with couldn't believe it but after a month or so in this area they would believe anything.

One elder had the perfect impression of a beer bottle on his back, someone tossed it from a moving car and knocked him off his bike. I couldn't talk him into making a police report about the incident.

One elder had a bike accident on Jenny's Branch Rd. and knocked his front teeth out. I got a call from his companion at one of the local doctor's clinic informing me about it and that they told him there was nothing they could do for him. Took me about 4 minutes to get to them and gave him a blessing and had a prayer while standing in front of the clinic, I was in tears as I was the branch president and there was so much blood.

I drove them to the emergency room (95 mph in my old truck) at the hospital in Scott Co. Tn. where the doctor on duty was our Elders Quorum President. He asked why they didn't at least clean his wounded lip and suture it and the elder said they kept looking at his name tag and saying that they couldn't help him. The elders parents gave me a visit when he went home to thank me for taking care of their son.

I could go on as it does get worse but you get the general idea. Welcome to the Bible belt.
i beleive

Urbandale, IA

#8 May 23, 2009
i know that mormons are real and there really great to people they have so much love to give out i know they put many hours of laboring for love in my home we loved the missionares so willing to lend a hand keep up the good work
Mechanic45

Helenwood, TN

#9 May 23, 2009
Okay. Sounds like an interesting subject. So let me start by asking this question: what will Mormonism provide that God through the bible will not?

btw, I'm not afraid of any repercussions
Godly

Wartburg, TN

#10 May 23, 2009
Mechanic45 wrote:
Okay. Sounds like an interesting subject. So let me start by asking this question: what will Mormonism provide that God through the bible will not?
btw, I'm not afraid of any repercussions
Keeps a baptist from going to hell.
wise man

Oneida, TN

#11 May 23, 2009
Godly wrote:
<quoted text>Keeps a baptist from going to hell.
Thats not the way to show respect for people and their believes. Now say your sorry.

“"LDS Christian"”

Since: Nov 07

United States

#12 May 23, 2009
Mechanic45 wrote:
Okay. Sounds like an interesting subject. So let me start by asking this question: what will Mormonism provide that God through the bible will not?
btw, I'm not afraid of any repercussions
I think today we often share the same assumptions the Pharisees in the Bible shared. The Pharisees were not wrong in doctrine; they were wrong in assumption. They assumed-if they knew the Word of God, they knew God. Wrong assumption. You can know the Word of God and not know the God who wrote it. Believing the Bible or the Book of Mormon for that matter won’t save you. Believing in the living Christ as testified of in the Bible and the Book of Mormon will save you. In other words, they didn’t nail a book to the tree that awful day. These books won’t bleed. It takes the spilt blood of Christ to save us all, to atone for our sins and make it possible for us to make it back into our Father's presence. Jesus said an interesting thing to the Pharisees one day. He said…
“…[Ye] search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life [but you don’t] and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life…”(John5:39,40)
Interesting. The Pharisees assumed since they knew the scriptures, they knew God. But our Lord told them “…ye THINK ye have eternal life…” Then he concluded, saying in essence,“…but you don’t…” And then those awful words,“…ye will not come to me, that ye might have life…” Truly, one of the saddest passages in all of scripture. The Pharisees were too busy studying the Word to recognize God when He was standing right in front of them. They were too busy studying their scriptures. So God walked off. There are Pharisees in all religions, denominations and sects. What I do know is that the Book of Mormon is like a manual, sort of speak, for the 'Born Again' process and is a second witness to the Bible of the divinity of Jesus Christ.
I challenge you to read the article by the Baptist Minister about the Book of Mormon and if inspired then read the Book of Mormon. In it's pages are some of the most beautiful scriptures to delight the soul and give nourishment to all those who hunger for knowledge. Many misjudge without even knowing the beauty of the scriptures and the sweet testimonies contained within the pages that lead us to that personal relationship we all want with our Savior.
http://www.centerplace.org/library/bofm/bapti...
Kentucky Mormon

Oneida, TN

#13 May 24, 2009
Mechanic45 wrote:
Okay. Sounds like an interesting subject. So let me start by asking this question: what will Mormonism provide that God through the bible will not?
btw, I'm not afraid of any repercussions
Continuing Revelation.

Latter-day Saints agree that the biblical canon is closed-that no new books should become part of the Bible. This does not mean, however, that all scripture is closed or that God, who opens and closes the heavens, cannot and will not continue to reveal his will.

There are many needs for revelation beyond the Bible. For one thing, many facts remain unreported in the New Testament. For example, on the Mount of Transfiguration and for forty days after his resurrection, Jesus instructed his apostles (see Matthew 17:1-13; Acts 1:1-3). Although the Bible is silent on what happened during these events, Latter-day Saint revelations disclose that Jesus taught his apostles important principles, gave them priesthood authority, and endowed them with spiritual gifts on these occasions. Likewise, the Gospel of John reports that Jesus told the Jews that he had "other sheep" besides them and that these others would also "hear" his voice (see John 10:16).

The Bible is one of the books within the LDS standard works, and thus doctrines and practices of the Latter-day Saints are in harmony with the Bible. There are times, of course, when latter-day revelation provides clarification or enhancement of the intended meaning in the Bible. But adding to the canon is not the same as rejecting the canon. Supplementation is not the same as contradiction. All the prophets, and the Savior himself, brought new light and knowledge to the world; in many cases, new scripture came as a result of their ministries. That new scripture did not invalidate what went before, nor did it close the door to subsequent revelation.

Thats my view for your question.
Glad you don't fear any repercussions.
Sorry about the spelling/wording error.
Mechanic45

Wartburg, TN

#14 May 24, 2009
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text>yeah, kentucky mormon has spoken the truth :)
Like kentucky we live in the bible belt. Mormons are treated as odd or strange. I guess in some ways we are, but not in the ways they portray us to be. It seems to me that the worst are the baptist, it may be different in kentucky. Here they are scared of us. Because they have been taught to be and because they usually haven't a clue to our beliefs. Many times when I talk to a baptist person who shows up at my door tracking, they are surprised to hear that we are not so different from the mainstream christian church.
Sure our doctrine is different, but our beliefs in christ are the same. They don't realize that we accept him as our savior. Every once and a while, they will leave my doorstep more confused about their own faith than they are mine. They start understanding that our beliefs make sense.
Its a sad thing that many will not accept the missionaries.
Good post, Not Ashamed. Let me dispel some of the apprehension against Mormons, more to show I can be a little more open minded: last year there was the incident about the polygamists compound (can't remember where it took place), which probably left alot of the country at the least skeptical about the Mormons. I on the other hand am reminded of how industrialist Howard Hughes built some hotels in Las Vegas, and staffed them with only Mormons, because they had a reputation for being honest.
For what it's worth...
Mechanic45

Wartburg, TN

#15 May 24, 2009
Hannah Rebekah wrote:
<quoted text>
I think today we often share the same assumptions the Pharisees in the Bible shared. The Pharisees were not wrong in doctrine; they were wrong in assumption. They assumed-if they knew the Word of God, they knew God. Wrong assumption. You can know the Word of God and not know the God who wrote it. Believing the Bible or the Book of Mormon for that matter won’t save you. Believing in the living Christ as testified of in the Bible and the Book of Mormon will save you. In other words, they didn’t nail a book to the tree that awful day. These books won’t bleed. It takes the spilt blood of Christ to save us all, to atone for our sins and make it possible for us to make it back into our Father's presence. Jesus said an interesting thing to the Pharisees one day. He said…
“…[Ye] search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life [but you don’t] and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life…”(John5:39,40)
Some good thoughts, HR. Sorry I had to edit your post. Topix has a limit of 4,000 characters.
But that doesn't quite answer my question. Yes it does take more than just knowing the scriptures, it also takes putting them into practice
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
And look at how another Pharisee understood those principles:
Act 5:34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;
Act 5:35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.
Act 5:36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.
Act 5:37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
Act 5:38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
Act 5:39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
Can you find those 'weightier matters' in that passage?
Now I pose the question, is not the bible enough to lead us to salvation? You remarked that the Book of Mormon was a manual for the born again process, so I guess what I'm asking is where does the bible fall short that the book of Mormon would have to 'pick up the slack'?
Let's also not forget that the devil knew the scripture (Mt chapter 4), but what did Christ use, as an example to us, to withstand Satan?
Hope to hear from you.
Mechanic45

Wartburg, TN

#16 May 24, 2009
Kentucky Mormon wrote:
<quoted text>
Continuing Revelation.
Latter-day Saints agree that the biblical canon is closed-that no new books should become part of the Bible. This does not mean, however, that all scripture is closed or that God, who opens and closes the heavens, cannot and will not continue to reveal his will.
Okay. Does that include the Qu'ran?
And don't worry about the spelling. I see some that are a lot worse than yours

“"LDS Christian"”

Since: Nov 07

United States

#17 May 24, 2009
Mechanic45 wrote:
<quoted text>Good post, Not Ashamed. Let me dispel some of the apprehension against Mormons, more to show I can be a little more open minded: last year there was the incident about the polygamists compound (can't remember where it took place), which probably left alot of the country at the least skeptical about the Mormons. I on the other hand am reminded of how industrialist Howard Hughes built some hotels in Las Vegas, and staffed them with only Mormons, because they had a reputation for being honest.
For what it's worth...
Just curious if people are informed enough to know that the FLDS Polygamist, the ones in Texas you mentioned are a complete different Church than LDS, the Mormons headquarter in Salt Lake City? They call themselves Mormons and shouldn't because the LDS Church has the copyright to that name and by the laws they are to defend their right to that title, that name.
To say that those polygamist groups are the same as us is the equivalent as saying that the Lutheran Church is the same as the Catholic Church. The FLDS and other polygamist groups have broke from the Mormon Church and have formed their own complete different Church. Just like all those Protestant Groups that broke from the Catholic Church.
They have nothing to do with us in anyway, there is no interaction between the groups and they don't even like us as well. They keep to themselves and are suspicious of everyone. The LDS Church has not practiced polygamy for 100 years and anyone found doing that is excommunicated. We do not apologize for our heritage of polygamy as it was sanctioned by God the same as the Patriarchs in the Bible. People have a very screwed up idea about polygamy. The early Christians practiced polygamy. The AnaBaptist that many of the Baptist Churches spring from were polygamist and that is one of the reasons that they were killed at the time of Martin Luther's time. Martin Luther himself okayed polygamy and the Reformation's first synod sanctioned it. Most people are not educated or informed about polygamy and it's history. If you don't want to believe me then Google it. You will find Born Again Evangelical Christian Polygamists who are practicing Polygamy today and they defend this practice on their websites as not only being in the Old Testament but it is taught in the New Testament. There are ancient writings by the Ebonites and others that claim that Christ was not only married but was a polygamist. And for those who feel that Christ was married it is NOT LDS doctrine by the Church that he was. So members are free to believe what they want about that. There are some Mormons who think he might have been and others who think he was not. I personally think he might have been and it doesn't much matter to me one way or the other. Whether he was or wasn't does not change my testimony of him as my personal Savior and the atonement he made for all of us.

Luther Said: Polygamy Is Permissible
"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." (De Wette II, 459, ibid., pp. 329-330.)
Mechanic45

Wartburg, TN

#18 May 24, 2009
For what it is worth, folks, I do want everyone to understand that I am engaging in this discusssion with the human soul in mind, and that the price for our salvation was too high, as will be the consequences, to be mislead. Peace.
Later, folks
Mechanic45

Wartburg, TN

#19 May 24, 2009
Hannah Rebekah wrote:
<quoted text>

Luther Said: Polygamy Is Permissible
"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." (De Wette II, 459, ibid., pp. 329-330.)
Interesting isn't it? That the man that could find about 95 grievenences (sp) against the Catholic church could not fathom the same scripture held to one man and woman in a marriage.
At least as far as the NT goes

“"LDS Christian"”

Since: Nov 07

United States

#20 May 24, 2009
Mechanic45,
The use of the word 'manual' is descriptive and is my word and how I see it and that is my personal belief. The Bible teaches about becoming Born Again but the Book of Mormon elaborates and expounds even more, it backs up this beautiful and vital teaching and expands it even more to our knowledge and understanding. It tells what you will be like when you experience this process and has a much richer explanation of what its all about.
And I think Paul said it well,“…I know WHOM I have believed, and am persuaded that HE is able to keep that which I have committed unto him…”(2 Timothy 1:12) Paul said he knew in WHOM he had believed--not in WHAT he believed. To say it another way--Christ is the TRUTH, the Bible and the Book of Mormon are the truth about the TRUTH, and one’s theology is the truth about the truth about the TRUTH. One can know the truth about the TRUTH and not know the TRUTH. Our Lord said it this way,“…I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me…”(Jn.14:6) Other words, ultimate TRUTH is a person, not a doctrine. Doctrine points us in the right direction and is “…truth about the TRUTH…” Which is why I firmly believe--my best & only defense is my personal testimony. Like Paul, I too say,“…I am not mad, most noble Festus, but speak forth the words of truth and soberness…”(Acts 26:25). Paul was a very learned man in the scriptures, he was a Pharisee who sat at the feet of Gamaliel who was the great teacher of the Law, and he could have taken another route--the route of apologetics and exegesis of argument and polemics before the king. Knowing his life was on the line, Paul chose instead, to bear his personal testimony.“…At midday, O king, I saw…” And Paul goes on to tell of his wonderful, amazing personal experience with the risen Christ. The king, in his disbelief, said,“…Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad…”(vs.24).

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