Protest set at church event about gays

Protest set at church event about gays

There are 15 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Nov 3, 2007, titled Protest set at church event about gays. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

A conference today at a Boone County church that aims to help people "struggling with unwanted same-sex attractions" is expected to be the target of protests by the families of gays who object to the meeting's ...

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SkyPilot

AOL

#1 Nov 3, 2007
Guess I will have to love those church folks but not condone their actions.
lastrep

Columbus, IN

#2 Nov 3, 2007
At a time when people are leaving the church in droves, churches concentrate their efforts on one segment of our society. Could that be why? Gays are only one group in a world population of sinners. Look at the splinter in the eye of another and ignore the plank in your own.
NancL

Oshkosh, WI

#3 Nov 3, 2007
Good for PFLAG!! Standing up to the bigotry of Focus on the Family is to be commended. FOF only does these things to raise money.
Bob

Linden, NJ

#4 Nov 3, 2007
lastrep wrote:
At a time when people are leaving the church in droves, churches concentrate their efforts on one segment of our society. Could that be why? Gays are only one group in a world population of sinners. Look at the splinter in the eye of another and ignore the plank in your own.
Jesus asked the rhetorical question, that when He returns will He find any faith? Jesus knew He will find very little faith on His return; so, it is no suprise "people are leaving the church in droves,..".
Average near eastside guy

AOL

#5 Nov 3, 2007
We had a great turn out this morning considering it was freezing and pitch black.. but we made a stand and had a presence. We'll be back there at 5pm tonight again as they all leave. Its ironic, in the past 15 years when pride has gone from a few hundred people each year to tens of thousands this year at pride.. and the protesters have evolved from 200+ back in the early 90's to 8 (That's right.. eight) this past June..
And now.. finally. Gay and gay friendly people, their families and other fair minded people are seeking out these fake Christian's where they hide. It hasnt gone quite full circle yet.. but watch out. We'll keep going until these Christian's start walking the walk. Compassion, charity, fairness, justice, equality. Those crazy liberal Christian Values long since forgotten and replaced with arrogance, selfishness, inhospitality, disregard, pride and righteousness and boastful persecution of others.
This to say nothing of the completely idiotic the idea is that if you just pray enough you wont be gay.. Come on folks.. if that were the case.. dont you think we'd all have been spared the last several years of scandals involving the Catholic church, Ted Haggard and the other ultra conservative religious nut jobs?.. For millennia people have been searching for a way to "FIX" the gay folks.. and nothing has worked.. maybe that's because its not supposed to work. Just maybe.. God in his infinite wisdom has a better grasp on life her on Earth than we do. Just maybe the test for humanity is to see if we can all just get along... Hmmmm.. Its the only thing we havent tried... Stop trying to fix people.. and work on YOU.
Born Gay

Circleville, OH

#6 Nov 3, 2007
People are born gay, straight or bisexual. They do not choose their sexual orientation any more than they choose the parents they are born to. The sad thing is, even in 2007, people think there is some sort of cure whether it be from religion or therapy. The truth is there is no cure because it isn't something needing to be cured. In this day and age when we are faced with so many problems, healthcare, taxes, education, crime, why do people insist on harping on this issue? Every time it is close to elections the gay issue is brought forth as a distraction, as a way to rile up the conservative religous right, as a way to legalize discrimination. Gay people don't mind you being straight, why should you mind them being gay? If it were indeed a choice, very few, if any, would choose to be something constantly discriminated against by those who claim to teach God's love.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Nov 3, 2007
There are bigger issues in the world than same-sex marriage. The Christian Right has lost all credibility and any moral authority they thought they had when the keep beating the drums of hatred and racism. Your god is not my god.
lastrep

Columbus, IN

#10 Nov 3, 2007
DougSmiley wrote:
There are bigger issues in the world than same-sex marriage. The Christian Right has lost all credibility and any moral authority they thought they had when the keep beating the drums of hatred and racism. Your god is not my god.
Please don't think that these extremists are in the majority in the so-called christian right. The same for the left, not everyone is liberal extremists that believe in sicialism.
Hmmmmmm

AOL

#12 Nov 4, 2007
Interesting that these comments are pro-gay.... that should tell this "church" something. Hey, while gays are praying away their sexual orientation, maybe they can change their eye color and DNA too.
St Elmos Fire

Indianapolis, IN

#13 Nov 6, 2007
Gay became very chic in the '80's!
Frodo

United States

#14 Nov 6, 2007
I have family that attends this church. They are very extreme in their views and have all but stopped talking to me (their gay family member). I feel fortunate to have found a church that preaches Christ, without all the exclusion and legalism. "Love one another". It is a pretty simple command. These folks need to get their head out of the old laws. Christ freed believers from the law and introduced the concept of looking inward (Some call it the Holy Spirit). Tell me, does it feel right to exclude people when put to the test of Christ's example of unconditional love.
James

AOL

#16 Nov 8, 2007
Interesting that ALL of the pro-gay commentary is essentially ad-hominem attacks on conservative Christianity.

Nowhere is there any real discussion of what Scripture says about homosexuality OR what the Love Won Out Conference is really about.

As for all gays being "born that way", I grew up knowing a young man who was completely dominated by his loud and emotionally abusive mother and sister, while his father remained distant physically (over-involved in work) and emotionally (very passive and would never stand up to his wife's ravings). Big surprise, with no affirmation of his masculinity and a constant drumbeat of negative experiences with the females closest to him in his developmental years this young man ended up in a gay relationship.

But of course the gay zealots would never allow any rational discussion of such issues affecting a person's sexuality.

OK, now that I've laid out the basis of a real discussion of the issue, let the bashing begin by the pro-gay zealots.
YoMaMa

Alpharetta, GA

#17 Nov 8, 2007
James wrote:
Interesting that ALL of the pro-gay commentary is essentially ad-hominem attacks on conservative Christianity.
Nowhere is there any real discussion of what Scripture says about homosexuality OR what the Love Won Out Conference is really about.
As for all gays being "born that way", I grew up knowing a young man who was completely dominated by his loud and emotionally abusive mother and sister, while his father remained distant physically (over-involved in work) and emotionally (very passive and would never stand up to his wife's ravings). Big surprise, with no affirmation of his masculinity and a constant drumbeat of negative experiences with the females closest to him in his developmental years this young man ended up in a gay relationship.
But of course the gay zealots would never allow any rational discussion of such issues affecting a person's sexuality.
OK, now that I've laid out the basis of a real discussion of the issue, let the bashing begin by the pro-gay zealots.
He made a "choice" because he was BISEXUAL. Only a BISEXUAL can "choose" to love either (or both) a man or a woman. Here are the stats:

10% of the population is born HETEROSEXUAL.
10% of the population is born HOMOSEXUAL.
80% of the population is born (to one degree or the other) BISEXUAL

Click here then scroll down a half-page to see the chart:

http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/research/ak-hh...

As you can see from this chart, your friend is normal.

Your friend can consider himself lucky to be BISEXUAL. He has twice as many people to choose from than someone who is 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual. If he is true to his feelings he cannot go wrong.
greenman

San Leandro, CA

#18 Nov 8, 2007
You have laid out nothing of the sort. There is no real discussion about the Scriptures unless all Christians can confirm one true translation. Also, your story about one man you know who is gay is from your point of view. So you have no true theory to posit, just your own opinions, which are not worth of discussion as they have been debated to death for decades now. You are relying on your faith as truth, and that is fine, but hardly worth anyone's time to discuss with you. Your faith is your business and nobody elses' business.
James wrote:
Interesting that ALL of the pro-gay commentary is essentially ad-hominem attacks on conservative Christianity.
Nowhere is there any real discussion of what Scripture says about homosexuality OR what the Love Won Out Conference is really about.
As for all gays being "born that way", I grew up knowing a young man who was completely dominated by his loud and emotionally abusive mother and sister, while his father remained distant physically (over-involved in work) and emotionally (very passive and would never stand up to his wife's ravings). Big surprise, with no affirmation of his masculinity and a constant drumbeat of negative experiences with the females closest to him in his developmental years this young man ended up in a gay relationship.
But of course the gay zealots would never allow any rational discussion of such issues affecting a person's sexuality.
OK, now that I've laid out the basis of a real discussion of the issue, let the bashing begin by the pro-gay zealots.
Watchdog

Alpharetta, GA

#19 Nov 8, 2007
Here is the current list of TOPIX trolls:

1. Straight Pride
2. Wil (and his 12+ sock puppets from Illinois)
3. Pizza Man
4. Real Man of Genius
5. American
6. Jose
7. James
8. Observer
9. Taylor

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