Toss party evidence, Trudeau asks

Toss party evidence, Trudeau asks

There are 179 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Sep 4, 2007, titled Toss party evidence, Trudeau asks. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Evidence collected during a graduation party at former Colts quarterback Jack Trudeau's Zionsville home could be thrown out if a judge rules in favor of his attorney's request to suppress it.

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fluteman greg

Palo Alto, CA

#178 Sep 5, 2007
opinion wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong...They were responding to the scene of a noise complaint and went to the source of the noise.
No, in my opinion you're wrong. The police definitely have the right to go to the house and either warn the owners about the noise or even make a citation, but they do not have the right to conduct searches without permission.
come on

AOL

#179 Sep 5, 2007
zville wrote:
Is anyone remembering that the week before a Zionsville youth is now in a wheelchair for life because of underage drinking and driving? That is part of the reason for the big crack down.
That has what to do with the Trudeaus? That youth chose to drink and drive. Is the BCSD still looking for the person or persons who supplied him with alcohol. NO!
They are concentrating on their witch hunt against the Trudeaus!
Those 2 cases have nothing to do with each other, NOTHING! Trudeaus didn't cause that! A very poor decision by a zville kid who should have known better than to drink and drive!
jake

Louisville, KY

#180 Sep 5, 2007
fluteman greg wrote:
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No, in my opinion you're wrong. The police definitely have the right to go to the house and either warn the owners about the noise or even make a citation, but they do not have the right to conduct searches without permission.
They do if they have probable cause that an illegal activity is taking place. I think the question becomes, is a phone complaint probable cause? In the absence of any physical evidence such as an empty beer can or seeing someone staggering drunk, perhaps not. Then again, you might argue that Trudeau confiscating keys and maintaining a clipboard constitutes probable cause.
Zionsville Zeal

Indianapolis, IN

#181 Sep 5, 2007
Maybe the problem is not the police, I agree. Maybe the problem is NOSEY or VINDICTIVE NEIGHBORS
come on

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#182 Sep 5, 2007
zville wrote:
Is anyone remembering that the week before a Zionsville youth is now in a wheelchair for life because of underage drinking and driving? That is part of the reason for the big crack down.
This has nothing to do with the Trudeaus.
This Zionsville youth chose to drink and drive and he should have known better. I feel deeply sorry for him but He made the life changing decision to drink and drive. It's as if the Trudeaus are being punished for this kids horrible decision. These cases have nothing to do with each other, NOTHING! Are the BCSD looking for the person or persons who supplied this young man with alcohol, NO, they are continuing their witch hunt against the Trudeaus.
fluteman greg

Palo Alto, CA

#183 Sep 5, 2007
jake wrote:
<quoted text>
They do if they have probable cause that an illegal activity is taking place. I think the question becomes, is a phone complaint probable cause? In the absence of any physical evidence such as an empty beer can or seeing someone staggering drunk, perhaps not. Then again, you might argue that Trudeau confiscating keys and maintaining a clipboard constitutes probable cause.
Sounds reasonable. I guess the judge is expected to make a ruling wrt reasonable cause soon.
Dr Crippen

Duncan, OK

#184 Sep 5, 2007
Zionsville Zeal wrote:
Maybe the problem is not the police, I agree. Maybe the problem is NOSEY or VINDICTIVE NEIGHBORS
exactly it. the police were tipped off to the party by disgruntled Z-ville kids who weren't invited.

Trudeau's was the last graduation party of the summer.
r e b

Peoria, IL

#185 Sep 5, 2007
hypocrites wrote:
I guess NO ONE here every drank at high school parties, or at prom or football games when they were in high school. High school drinking is a part of the growing up experience. It's to prepare oneself to the college party scene. Isn't better for teens to be drinking with adult supervision around instead of by themselves?? Sure the legal drinking age is 21 but its still sad to think that our some of are soldiers have died in battle but were not legally allow to consume alcohol.
Just because we use 18 year olds for war fodder doesn't make them adults. Do you think that a 15 year old that gets pregnant is suddenly an adult because she did something that 'adults' do? How foolish so many people are about going to war meaning that you are now an adult.
r e b

Peoria, IL

#186 Sep 5, 2007
Einstein wrote:
Gee, why would 18 year old ADULTS want to celebrate graduation with a beer? How horrible. Yeah, let's not teach adults to drink responsibly and instead pretend that if you have a law saying they can't drink until 21, it's actually enforceable. Geez...they ought to have an IQ test on here to post.
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Read above post...
Doofus Sighter

Carmel, IN

#187 Sep 6, 2007
come on wrote:
<quoted text>
That has what to do with the Trudeaus? That youth chose to drink and drive. Is the BCSD still looking for the person or persons who supplied him with alcohol. NO!
They are concentrating on their witch hunt against the Trudeaus!
Those 2 cases have nothing to do with each other, NOTHING! Trudeaus didn't cause that! A very poor decision by a zville kid who should have known better than to drink and drive!
Dumb
Doofus Sighter

Carmel, IN

#188 Sep 6, 2007
come on wrote:
<quoted text>
This has nothing to do with the Trudeaus.
This Zionsville youth chose to drink and drive and he should have known better. I feel deeply sorry for him but He made the life changing decision to drink and drive. It's as if the Trudeaus are being punished for this kids horrible decision. These cases have nothing to do with each other, NOTHING! Are the BCSD looking for the person or persons who supplied this young man with alcohol, NO, they are continuing their witch hunt against the Trudeaus.
And Dumber.
OBSERVER

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#190 Sep 6, 2007
r e b wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because we use 18 year olds for war fodder doesn't make them adults. Do you think that a 15 year old that gets pregnant is suddenly an adult because she did something that 'adults' do? How foolish so many people are about going to war meaning that you are now an adult.
Exactly. Statistically, 18-year-olds make excellent soldiers. Hence, they're used as soldiers. Statistically, 18-year-olds make terrible drinkers. That is, they make stupid decisions and they're still much more susceptible to becoming alcoholics. Simple as that. No mystery here.
hss

Indianapolis, IN

#191 Sep 6, 2007
OBSERVER wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. Statistically, 18-year-olds make excellent soldiers. Hence, they're used as soldiers. Statistically, 18-year-olds make terrible drinkers. That is, they make stupid decisions and they're still much more susceptible to becoming alcoholics. Simple as that. No mystery here.
No, anyone that is old enough to die for their country is old enough to drink, get it through your thick head.
Jesus H

AOL

#192 Sep 6, 2007
OBSERVER wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. Statistically, 18-year-olds make excellent soldiers. Hence, they're used as soldiers. Statistically, 18-year-olds make terrible drinkers. That is, they make stupid decisions and they're still much more susceptible to becoming alcoholics. Simple as that. No mystery here.
The stupid decision is to become a soldier with Bush being your Commander in Chief. It makes them more susceptible to being dead.
r e b

Peoria, IL

#193 Sep 6, 2007
hss wrote:
<quoted text>
No, anyone that is old enough to die for their country is old enough to drink, get it through your thick head.
I guess if they are old enough to drive then they are old enough to drink too...how foolish some people are.
Cartman

AOL

#194 Sep 6, 2007
r e b wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess if they are old enough to drive then they are old enough to drink too...how foolish some people are.
Well that's about as stupid argument that I have seen. Driving versus dying for your country are not quite the same thing. Why didn't you just make it "if they're old enough to see a PG13 movie, they're old enough to drink"? Indeed, how foolish some people are!
OBSERVER

AOL

#195 Sep 6, 2007
hss wrote:
<quoted text>
No, anyone that is old enough to die for their country is old enough to drink, get it through your thick head.
My thick head is irrelevant. You need to get it through the thick heads of the legislators who look at the statistics and try to make reasoned decisions based on how teenagers use alcohol and what effect it has on them.

Understand, the legislature has to balance the rights of young people against the rights of people who those young people will injure if they abuse alcohol -- which the literature pretty much confirms they do in much higher percentages than their older, wiser fellow citizens.

So, don't preach to me. Preach to the legislature who base their decisions on research. If the research on which they based their decision is wrong, then show them. They're not idiots. Well, not usually. Okay, not ALWAYS.

Who knows, maybe you'll get the law changed.
downtownindy

Indianapolis, IN

#196 Sep 6, 2007
jimh wrote:
why is it the rich never want to take responsibility for their actions?
And poor people do? Get out of here bleeding heart, you are an idiot.
r e b

Peoria, IL

#197 Sep 6, 2007
Cartman wrote:
<quoted text>
Well that's about as stupid argument that I have seen. Driving versus dying for your country are not quite the same thing. Why didn't you just make it "if they're old enough to see a PG13 movie, they're old enough to drink"? Indeed, how foolish some people are!
Yep you are right, just trying to make it even with the dying versus drinking argument. Just because someone is judged old enough to do one thing doesn't make them old enough to do another - both were very poor arguments.

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