Founding Fathers backed Health Insura...

Urp

“A Pigment of Imagination”

Since: Feb 11

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#22 Jun 27, 2012
AFV wrote:
urpo said: Socialized medicine, no one pays anything, it's all provided by the government. Yeah, isn't going to work. Overall level of healthcare goes down end of day. I think UK has that option as I understand.
urpo?
Where does the money come? Fall off trees? You liberal idiots.
Can you even freakin read? Did you miss the part where I said socialized medicine doesn't work?
many

Johnson City, TN

#24 Jun 27, 2012
Founding Fathers Did Not Back Health Insurance Mandates
by Joe Lindsley
April 14, 2012

Debunking the latest pro-Obamacare myth

Obamacare supporters are really stretching to find Constitutional support. Like the public defender in My Cousin Vinnie, Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli stumbled over his words before the Supreme Court as he struggled to find a way to defend President Obama’s signature power grab. And now, liberal scholars are even trying to cite those oft-maligned dead white males, the Founding Fathers, to justify the mandate that every American purchase health insurance.

http://fosterfriess.com/campfire-blog/2012/04 ...
Innocents

United States

#25 Jun 27, 2012
I could not help but read the link about Charlie Rangel Running for 22nd Term in Congress and winning the primary again. Another obama mentor of it matters not if you abide by the laws and constitution, just give out enough free handouts to keep getting reelected and who cares who has to pay for it as long as it is not you.
Lesson learned: Crooks will be crooks.
Sorry, this maybe off topic but I could not help myself.

Since: Oct 08

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#26 Jun 27, 2012
Innocents wrote:
I could not help but read the link about Charlie Rangel Running for 22nd Term in Congress and winning the primary again. Another obama mentor of it matters not if you abide by the laws and constitution, just give out enough free handouts to keep getting reelected and who cares who has to pay for it as long as it is not you.
Lesson learned: Crooks will be crooks.
Sorry, this maybe off topic but I could not help myself.
Yeah, it's a bit off topic, but that happens all the time.

I was shocked that Rangel won the primary, especially after the demographics of his district changed so much. I wouldn't have voted for him. I suppose he won because four others ran against him, splitting the vote. He won with 44% of the vote, but one of the others had 41%.
the wonderer

Morristown, TN

#27 Jun 27, 2012
Ex-Vol in FL wrote:
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However, if that person can't pay the bill and has any assets, the health care provider can and will come after them. I have read that most of the bankruptcies in our country are caused by soaring medical bills.
So, who do you think SHOULD be responsible for payment of those services if not the person who received them?

Should the medical care providers be compelled to labor for free? Or should someone else who DIDN'T receive any of those services be forced to pay for them?

Yes, we know it's sad. With that acknowledgment out of the way, please just tell us which of those options (or any other you might know of) you think is just and ethical.
bohart

Newport, TN

#28 Jun 27, 2012
Ex-Vol in FL wrote:
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Are you saying that in some countries the fact that a person is poor doesn't mean his life is not worth saving? What a novel concept!
I've done a little unscientific polling, and almost all of the people who have told me they are against health care reform are against it because they are afraid they will have to wait longer to see their doctors. One of them is on Medicare, and another is on Disability. The rest have insurance through their employers. I wonder if the opinions of that last group would change if they lost their jobs.
Bingo, you know what the definition of a Democrat is? Thats a republican who needs health care and has lost his job.
bohart

Newport, TN

#29 Jun 27, 2012
Non_Conformist wrote:
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I'd rather be 37th in healthcare than 37th in freedom. Liberal douchebaggery not withstanding, my country has been the greatest country on earth for 229 years. So take your liberal, socialist agenda and hop a plane for one of the 138 countries who will be sure to come begging for U.S. assistance when their top-ranked healthcare can't defend their bottom-ranked military asses or feed their 3rd world country.
Hey Wylie Coyote, if paying twice as much for healthcare and recieving less than other civilized nations is such a great deal why don't other nations follow our example? Why are we the only one ? if our way is so brillant?Our life expectancy and prenatal birth care are below countries like Cuba! I guess those other stupid nations don't want to see insurance companies make billions in profits off the sick and dying. Hmm ? You're a Fox news watcher I'll wager?

Since: Oct 08

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#30 Jun 27, 2012
the wonderer wrote:
<quoted text>So, who do you think SHOULD be responsible for payment of those services if not the person who received them?
Should the medical care providers be compelled to labor for free? Or should someone else who DIDN'T receive any of those services be forced to pay for them?
Yes, we know it's sad. With that acknowledgment out of the way, please just tell us which of those options (or any other you might know of) you think is just and ethical.
It's a pretty complicated issue, but I don't think the medical care providers - at least the doctors and nurses - are the bad guys.(My son-in-law is a doctor.) I reserve that distinction for the for-profit insurance companies. Remember back in 2009 when people were testifying before Congress as to how much money the insurers spend in DENYING claims? Why should we think that is a good thing?

Why should insurance executives make salaries in the tens of millions of dollars per year? All they do is take OUR money and dole it out as they see fit, all the while trying to find some little loophole that will allow them to deny a claim. I just read about a 60-year-old lady who was severely injured in a car wreck, but her insurer denied her claim because they decided the other driver "intentionally caused the wreck," so it was not "an accident." How would you feel about it if that happened to you? Why do we have to pay so much to make so many "middle men" wealthy?

If it matters, I am totally against using the emergency room as a doctor's office. That has been going on for a lot of years, and I think something should be done about it. If you are not really, really sick, bleeding, or have a broken bone, I think you should go sit in the doctor's office like the rest of us.

I am not promoting FREE health care; I am promoting AFFORDABLE health care. I am old enough to remember when hospitals were not-for-profits, and all of the doctors I knew were making a very good living, as they should.

If it weren't for the fact that I am afraid to not have health insurance, I would retire, even though I am not old enough to draw Social Security and I don't have enough years in Florida schools to draw much of a pension. I am sure there are others like me who are working in order to have insurance coverage. If we could get more affordable insurance, just think what that would do for the unemployment rate. Jobs would be opening up left and right!
schoolteacher

Morristown, TN

#31 Jun 27, 2012
Government mandates on insurance coverage is part of the problem. 26 year olds staying on parents coverage. Requirements that insurance companies cannot sell product accross state lines. Requirements in some states that insurance companies pay for sex change operations. Then, lack of tort reform opens the door for nuisance lawsuits and forces doctors to give unneeded tests. Yes , it is complicated which is another reason for not having the Federal Gov. exercise more control. Also, how about allowing more students to attend medical schools. An abundance of doctors would sure help reduce costs through competition. Or how about all insurances companies agreeing to offer catastrophic coverage.

Or maybe a law that says every worker pay at least a dollar a week in income taxes regardless of their income. Or how about families helping one another financially instead of pawning off their love ones care to nursing homes.
many

Johnson City, TN

#32 Jun 27, 2012
Ex-Vol in FL wrote:
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However, there are millions of "working poor" who have jobs that either don't offer insurance or they can't afford the insurance
BS they can afford the insurance

My sister "working poor" and law makes just 10.00 an hour and wont buy health Ins

but yet she pays for FULL blown cable with all movie ch at 149.00+ month..3 cell phones 100.00+?.. Hughes Dish internet which is 90.00 a month..Xbox Live Gym membership 35.00+? a month

That is 374.00 a month..so dont tell me she a "working poor" can't afford the insurance!!! She just decides not too!!!!! And want someone else for for it

Since: Oct 08

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#33 Jun 27, 2012
many wrote:
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BS they can afford the insurance
My sister "working poor" and law makes just 10.00 an hour and wont buy health Ins
but yet she pays for FULL blown cable with all movie ch at 149.00+ month..3 cell phones 100.00+?.. Hughes Dish internet which is 90.00 a month..Xbox Live Gym membership 35.00+? a month
That is 374.00 a month..so dont tell me she a "working poor" can't afford the insurance!!! She just decides not too!!!!! And want someone else for for it
Well, I don't know your sister or what other bills she has to pay, but if she can afford all that on $10 an hour and buys groceries, makes a house payment,etc., she's a better money manager than I am.
many

Johnson City, TN

#34 Jun 27, 2012
Ex-Vol in FL wrote:
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Well, I don't know your sister or what other bills she has to pay, but if she can afford all that on $10 an hour and buys groceries, makes a house payment,etc., she's a better money manager than I am.
LOL she has 4 kids so she gets 600.00 in food stamps. And lives in Sec 8..

Since: Oct 08

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#35 Jun 27, 2012
many wrote:
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LOL she has 4 kids so she gets 600.00 in food stamps. And lives in Sec 8..
FOUR kids? Wow! How long has she been getting food stamps?
many

Johnson City, TN

#36 Jun 27, 2012
Ex-Vol in FL wrote:
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FOUR kids? Wow! How long has she been getting food stamps?
her kids are 18 months 4 6 and 12

Since: Oct 08

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#37 Jun 27, 2012
many wrote:
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her kids are 18 months 4 6 and 12
Okay, I think I may be beginning to understand your dislike for "entitlement programs" and those people you consider are milking the system. I don't disagree with you to some extent; I like to think my tax dollars are providing the necessities of life and not luxuries. Thus my frequent comments about people who use the ER as their family doctor. However, there are people who, through no fault of their own, fall upon hard times and do everything they can to keep from asking for a handout.

BTW, it would appear your sister was possibly getting assistance under at least one other president, if not two.
LMAO

Kingsport, TN

#38 Jun 27, 2012
Sorry but the Obamacare will not work even if approved. Companies are already getting rid of all full time employees and useing temps on 7 hour shifts or less than 30 hours a week in preparation to avoid the taxes. Most construction companies have switched to " independant contractors" or other wise known as guys who work for cash. This allows the employer to avoid employment taxes,liability, workmans comp etc. This also allows the "independant contractor" to avoid claiming anything on their taxes. The contractors can write these payments off as "materials" and claim as a deduction. This was taught to them thru the use of illegal aliens. The gov. then provides all the welfare availible to the "unemployed" ,thats a sort of supplamental income to make up for such low wages at others exspence (taxpayers). Most companies will go to this as soon as possible, they know the odds are with them not getting caught. Its simple to make fake reciepts and such to cover your company in an audit. Workers will not keep working for such low wages if they see even more money taken out for "gov. healthcare" , they won't be able to keep a car running or a roof over their head.They better find a way to raise wages with out driving out all the few jobs left before they start running even more onto the gov. dole. Both sides know this already. It will all collapse soon .
many

Johnson City, TN

#39 Jun 27, 2012
Ex-Vol in FL wrote:
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Okay, I think I may be beginning to understand your dislike for "entitlement programs" and those people you consider are milking the system. I don't disagree with you to some extent; I like to think my tax dollars are providing the necessities of life and not luxuries. Thus my frequent comments about people who use the ER as their family doctor. However, there are people who, through no fault of their own, fall upon hard times and do everything they can to keep from asking for a handout.
BTW, it would appear your sister was possibly getting assistance under at least one other president, if not two.
Not my sister..sister n law

More then one Pres is true..but it has has a much much bigger growth under Obama then any other Pres

She has turned down more hours and better paying jobs just so she could keep as food stamps and sec 8 etc...she wont go to school...

she has said many times why should she pay for health care when Obama may give it to her! Why should she work 20 more hours a week when someone will give her 600.00 in food stamps and pay most of her rent!

she also blows at least 15 to 25.00 a week on the loto

i know for a fact she can pay for health ins!!! its her choice NOT TO!!! She can drop MOST her luxuries work 5 extra hours a week and pay for it!

So i ask you why should a dime come out of my check and go to her and people like her??
many

Johnson City, TN

#40 Jun 27, 2012
Ex-Vol in FL wrote:
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I like to think my tax dollars are providing the necessities of life and not luxuries.
When u stand behind a person in a mini mart and watch them buy 30.00 dollars worth of junk food with food stamps...then take their cash and buy beer ciggs and lotto tickets maybe u will understand!

They could/should have used their cash to buy the junk food and did without the ciggs beer and tickets,,But because of my help they were able to get the ciggs beer and tickets!

HAPPENS EVERY DAY! MILLIONS OF TIMES!
many

Johnson City, TN

#41 Jun 27, 2012
And just about every person I see use W.I.C. is fat ..fat as hell.. I thought they got that because they were hungry? THEY DONT NEED IT so bad that they have to take money from me to get it!!!!
many

Johnson City, TN

#42 Jun 27, 2012
If u were "FORCED" to give one of your school kids an apple that u had worked for ..because he claims to need it and couldn't afford it. But then you saw in his desk where he had bought a Hot Wheel car and Whoopee Cushion ..when he really could have bought the apple with that money

How would you feel?

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