Muskegon meeting looks at teen's shoo...

Muskegon meeting looks at teen's shooting

There are 66 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from May 21, 2008, titled Muskegon meeting looks at teen's shooting. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

City officials expect an early evening meeting to be packed when The Spotlight Nightclub is discussed.

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black girl

Kalamazoo, MI

#42 May 23, 2008
Wow, it is 2008 and you still have some people who actually are still racist!!!!! What in the world does being black or Asian have anything to do with violence?? There was a couple of "white" kids that just killed a "white" boy in Grand Rapids outside of a bar.... I guess because he got beat to death and not shot that makes it ok??? But that establishment didn't get closed down!!!
Opinionated

Taylor, MI

#43 May 23, 2008
Jesse wrote:
<quoted text>
The government created the problem by giving the gangstas a liquor license, now the government can fix this problem by revoking the license.
They should have known that any place that attracts young black males will have violence and crime. People can make all the excuses and claims of racism they want, but that doesn't change the facts.
The government gave a license to someone who was qualified to obtain one just as everyone else has to be. "Ganstas" be forreal this has nothing to do with that, it wasn't a gang who was out there shooting but a child. You aren't from nor do you live in Muskegon so you couldn't possibly know what goes on out there. As someone who is however I know that this night club is the most organized professional establishment of a night club in the city. period.
Opinionated

Taylor, MI

#44 May 23, 2008
Reunell wrote:
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To place all black men and stereotype the places they frequent as gangsta bars is the problem that is at the root of the issue. These people posting these comments have no idea what type of person Mr. Jones is and have no clue as to what type of establishment the Spotlight is. Just because the nightclub is frequented by African Americans, it is automatically dubbed a "gansta bar" Rap music doesn't create the bad people nor did the Spotlight. Muskegon has had a problem before the Spotlight and closing it will not change the fact. People need to be more open minded when it comes to race and the differences in culture. And the police need to do their job and police like they have been asked
That is so true. How can someone who hasn't been to the club nor met the owner give their opinion on what type of establishment or person her is. I have been at the club numerous times and have sat down and talked with Mr. Jones on several occasions and this criminal act doesn't in any way reflect on him or the club. This type of behavior happens in and out of the club, with whites, blacks, puerto rican and whatever else, it's not a racial thing. We have law enforcement for a reason, and that is to be there when the things that we are not control of happen. I very seldom see the police trying to secure the perimeter after the club is out of if any congregating happens it's ridicolous.
Opinionated

Taylor, MI

#45 May 23, 2008
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly! Im guessing this club is in muskegon heights?
Well your guess is wrong!! Its downtown Muskegon, very low key area and directly across from a "white bar"
Opinionated

Taylor, MI

#46 May 23, 2008
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it's a constitutional right. I've been reading these comments and to tell the truth losing my composure because of the nature of these conversations, it's amazing. The stereo typing, racial slurs and all of it is obsurred. I'm not asking anyone to change their opinion or the way they look at the situaution on hand, but actually commenting for those of us to try and keep and open mind. I live in GR but am from Muskegon and was actually there the night of the shooting.
For those of you who would like to know the
****REAL STORY*****
I arrived at the club a little after midnight, actually closer to 1 am. I got there and the crowd looked a lot different from what I usually see when I go (almost every Thursday and sometimes on saturday) I think it was b/c it was a hosted party from someone not the normal club. So any way the club let out shortly after I arrived and we vacated. We sat outside the club for all of about 10-15 min. Then everyone went and parked at this vacant lot across the street from the club, only it wasn't the one we use to park for the club but the one on the side of the club no one enters and is always empty. People were over there for 15-20 min and not once did I see a police riding past to vacate everyone but we rode out b/c we were ready to go and went our seperate ways. I read this about the boy being shot and the date and I was in shock b/c I was there that night and I remember everything that happened 45 min after the club got out and could not recall a gun shot or anything in the like. That means a lot of different things, but what it mostly means is that it may have happened around the club but didn't have any reflect on it. Who is supposed to control the conduct of people 30-45 min after the club is let out? Not the owner or their secruity, it's not their responsibility...it's the police. True enough why host a teen night knowing their curfew, but who enforces curfews and maintains the rules and regulations to ensure this is carried out? The club officials? NO, the police. So don't blame and punish them for something that's not in their control. If anything advise them they cannot hold teen night that lets out after 11pm, that's simple.
Bringer of Truth

Liverpool, NY

#47 May 23, 2008
Opinionated wrote:
We sat outside the club for all of about 10-15 min. Then everyone went and parked at this vacant lot across the street from the club, only it wasn't the one we use to park for the club but the one on the side of the club no one enters and is always empty. People were over there for 15-20 min and not once did I see a police riding past to vacate everyone but we rode out b/c we were ready to go and went our seperate ways. I read this about the boy being shot and the date and I was in shock b/c I was there that night and I remember everything that happened 45 min after the club got out and could not recall a gun shot or anything in the like. That means a lot of different things, but what it mostly means is that it may have happened around the club but didn't have any reflect on it. Who is supposed to control the conduct of people 30-45 min after the club is let out? Not the owner or their secruity, it's not their responsibility...it's the police. True enough why host a teen night knowing their curfew, but who enforces curfews and maintains the rules and regulations to ensure this is carried out? The club officials? NO, the police. So don't blame and punish them for something that's not in their control. If anything advise them they cannot hold teen night that lets out after 11pm, that's simple.
Loitering in these parking lots is against the law, if you were there then you were contributing to the problem. The police have better things to do than chase away these thugs every night that this bar was open. I am happy to see that the council has fixed the problem.
black girl

Kalamazoo, MI

#48 May 23, 2008
In a way it is the club owner's responsibility to maintain some type of authority and control over what happens in and outside of his club. If you know the city is watching and they don't really want you there, stay on your toes at all times!!! Muskegon was crime infested to begin with, so why let people hang outside YOUR establishment 15-30 min after the club has let out... make sure your security clears the premises, from corner to corner...let them fight and shoot down the street!!! Cover your own a$$!
Opinionated

Taylor, MI

#49 May 24, 2008
Bringer of Truth wrote:
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Loitering in these parking lots is against the law, if you were there then you were contributing to the problem. The police have better things to do than chase away these thugs every night that this bar was open. I am happy to see that the council has fixed the problem.
And you should better things to do than to criticize someone elses behavior b/c you are so self righteous right. And since you live in Muskegon and know so much about how much the police have to do instead of monitoring the conduct of individuals leaving the night club and responding to numerous calls from the owner to help do so maybe you can help me understand why i ride by and see 3 police cars posted at Wesco every night? Cause that is so much more important than ensuring the safety of the people in the city, right?
Opinionated

Taylor, MI

#50 May 24, 2008
black girl wrote:
In a way it is the club owner's responsibility to maintain some type of authority and control over what happens in and outside of his club. If you know the city is watching and they don't really want you there, stay on your toes at all times!!! Muskegon was crime infested to begin with, so why let people hang outside YOUR establishment 15-30 min after the club has let out... make sure your security clears the premises, from corner to corner...let them fight and shoot down the street!!! Cover your own a$$!
that's true. when you are the owner you do take responsibility to maintain the atmosphere to the attenders of your establishment. I can dig that. Muskegon all in all needs to take heed to the need for law enforcement there is no reason for things to get out of hand the way they do. People who go out to the club on weekends go to the club and after that, gather at one place to the next. Police have no trouble vacating Shells or the chicken coop in the heights but to me you should be able to maintain this same procedure where ever you see people "loitering". True enough there should be no reason to be outside the club that long on my end. But that's the problem people use their own discretion and leaving it up to each individual is going to result in just that, an individual decision. Rather it be to go home and tend to your own business or loiter outside a club. At some point there needs to be some authoritative interveening and that's when it gets shut down. Everyone doesn't have the same up bringing and what seems like a potential threat may not seem the same way to someone else, but the law knows the potential outcome of these things and should be there to establish a certain conduct.
Class of 2000

Detroit, MI

#51 May 24, 2008
It is not a race thing as you would like to think. It is just made to look that way because most of the crime committed by whites is not reported as often as that of a black person.

You people on here are so racist with all of your comments. I guess you all think we are still in the 1960's huh?
Jesse wrote:
<quoted text>
None so blind as those that won't see.
These young black gangsters have learned the values they have from their parents, or in the vast majority of cases, parent.
Guess what, those values are not hard work, education, respect for others, marriage, and caring for your children.
You have generations of people who care only for short term gratification, being respected with out earning it, BLING, and receiving handouts without working. This behavior is the unavoidable result.
bye-bye

Utica, MI

#52 May 24, 2008
Bambi wrote:
I've said it before, it's time to give up our guns. We cannot be responsible with them as a whole. Many individuals can handle the responsibility. Unfortunately others cannot.
This is not a smart way to think. It might be a cliche, but an armed society is a polite society.
bye-bye

Utica, MI

#53 May 24, 2008
24 police calls in six months pretty much means the cops are called out there once a week. I don't care where a club like that is located, but when the police is called out to a bar once a week, that's when it's time to shut it down.
michael g

Madison, WI

#54 May 24, 2008
Opinionated wrote:
<quoted text>
That is so true. How can someone who hasn't been to the club nor met the owner give their opinion on what type of establishment or person her is. I have been at the club numerous times and have sat down and talked with Mr. Jones on several occasions and this criminal act doesn't in any way reflect on him or the club. This type of behavior happens in and out of the club, with whites, blacks, puerto rican and whatever else, it's not a racial thing. We have law enforcement for a reason, and that is to be there when the things that we are not control of happen. I very seldom see the police trying to secure the perimeter after the club is out of if any congregating happens it's ridicolous.
Yeah, just let the police try it. A couple of nights of that, and they would have the ACLU all over them for racial profiling. Why you gotta come down here and bother my people??
tom

Caledonia, MI

#55 May 27, 2008
tom wrote:
<quoted text> he's right. Muskegoan has sunk over the years, and everybody knows it. in Holland, it's the Mexican gang violence. stop blaming the race card and be responsible for yourself & your kids...any kind of Crime is Wrong..Any Kind....quit blaming society & get it done....you can do it! I know this response will get slammed, but, it's the truth in our cities.
..Cops were called there many times: the club had violent, roudy, gangsta clientele in it's mix....couldn't adhere to the law, so the city shut the damn place down....in this case black of course, but they would have done it also for white, hispanic, redneck, hillbilly, gay if it was the same.
People don't need to put up with that kind of s**t.
Cities want to clean up. Now.
Truth 007

Grand Rapids, MI

#56 May 27, 2008
Jesse wrote:
<quoted text>
White establishments are no where near as bad as these gansta clubs, they generally do not stand for this type of criminal behavior. On the other hand thug type clothing and a violent criminal lifestyle are celebrated at these types of clubs.
I never said all young black males are violent criminals, but many are. The FBI crime statistics prove this. When they congregate at one of these clubs or a rap concert the violent outcome always the same.
There is no end in sight as long as people like yourself are constantly standing by to condone and excuse their actions.
Again your comments are still very discriminatory. "Many Black Males" you are so misinformed. Since when do the FBI Crime Report state clubs, rap concerts result in violent behavior? It doesn't!! And I for one am not standing here condoning any type of violent behavior but what I will stand up for is MISINFORMED individuals like yourself. And you better think again about your white clubs sir. The Bobs, The TAps, The Margurita Grill all have been spots of violent behavior and deaths....have these clubs closed? Bad news reported by media? Hell no. Again its exploitation rather you want to believe it or not!!!
FAMILY

United States

#57 Jun 2, 2008
JIMMYK1978 wrote:
Really why is a 15 year old getting shot in the back by a 17 year old? As far as I am concerned no one that age should be at a club. Bars and clubs were not intended for kids. Second where were the parents? How does a 17 year old end up with a gun? The first line against violence is the parents it is time they start acting like it. Time for parents to start teaching morals, values, and ethics again. That is if these parents know what that is. I say they should arrest the parents and charge them along with the kid.
he was not 15 he was 17 ready to grauate and a great kid

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#58 Jun 2, 2008
bye-bye wrote:
<quoted text>
There are still curfew laws in the city. I found this on the city of Grand Rapids website....
City of Grand Rapids ordinance states that no minor under the age of 12-years-old shall loiter, idle, congregate, traverse or remain in or upon any public street, highway, alley or park between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. unless the minor is accompanied by a parent or guardian, or some adult delegated by the parent or guardian to accompany the child. For youth under 15, curfew is 11 p.m. and youth under 17 must be at home by midnight unless accompanied by a parent or guardian, or some adult over the age of twenty-one (21) years delegated by the parent or guardian.
This curfew law is in effect during the school year and summer break.
How is the Grand Rapids curfew law relevant to Muskegon?

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#59 Jun 2, 2008
black girl wrote:
In a way it is the club owner's responsibility to maintain some type of authority and control over what happens in and outside of his club. If you know the city is watching and they don't really want you there, stay on your toes at all times!!! Muskegon was crime infested to begin with, so why let people hang outside YOUR establishment 15-30 min after the club has let out... make sure your security clears the premises, from corner to corner...let them fight and shoot down the street!!! Cover your own a$$!
The bouncers have no authority outside of the club's property. Therefore they have no contol over a crowd on adjoining property.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#60 Jun 2, 2008
bye-bye wrote:
24 police calls in six months pretty much means the cops are called out there once a week. I don't care where a club like that is located, but when the police is called out to a bar once a week, that's when it's time to shut it down.
Maybe if the police are there when the club closes, a few times would send the message that this behavior will not be tolerated. The behavior is occuring on property not belonging to the club owner, which makes it a public responsibility and concern. If not, then maybe the owners of the adjacent property need to close off their parking lot as the availibility of it is the cause of the problem. They will go elsewhere if they can't loiter there.
xtralongnips

Plainwell, MI

#61 Jun 2, 2008
Muskegon doesn't need this kind of publicity. It is clearly trying to clean up its reputation. I applaude the efforts that were done regardless of what kind of bar it was. Whatever happened that night could an will have consequences later if nothing was done. One shooting or one killing only will lead to another. The police are not obligated to sit an maintain order unless requested by the owner.

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