Beam falls, kills man

Beam falls, kills man

There are 30 comments on the The York Daily Record story from May 30, 2008, titled Beam falls, kills man. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

Christopher Kohler of L. Windsor Twp. was working at a site in Maryland. Article Last Updated: 05/30/2008 03:08:29 AM EDT Christopher Kohler was the type of guy people liked, admired and respected.

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Missy

Dover, PA

#23 May 31, 2008
Voice of Reason wrote:
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There are no longer accidents in this country. Someone will be charged with his death.
Freak accidents happen, we can walk out our front door and be struck by lightning and we can't charge God for that. Let's just hope we all learn from it and make the necessary changes and that it never happens to anyone else.
unlisted

Greensboro, NC

#24 May 31, 2008
this should not have been listed on a forum such as this.. whoever began this should have known better..
Topsy Crett

Dayton, TX

#25 May 31, 2008
Just a taste of the hatred some have for JW's. It boggles the mind how many of those who hate the JW's to the degree they exhibit on this thread, on this forum, and on countless other forums claim to follow the teachings of Christ.
Missy

Dover, PA

#26 May 31, 2008
Fine Shephard - where wrote:
I just love how the article brings out how he made a "shepharding call" to someone with an illness in the hospital recently. What feel-good BS this is. Did he do it? Sure, he probably did. But what a PR propoganda machine the JW's are.
Wanna hear how this "fine shephard" handled my relatives situation? Neither he, nor any of the other Elders from the Yorkana, Red Lion, or any other congregation came to visit when 2 of my "active in-good standing" relatives where on their death beds within the last few years. I was appaulled when my relatives related to me how when the tough times came, the JW's were NO WHERE TO BE FOUND!!(even though they themselves were JW's) I was floored....they were all active (25 year members)in several congregations over the years and not one JW called, offered food, visited, etc after the relatives died. Not ONE! No one even sent flowers. At one funeral, 5 JW's showed up out of a congregation of what - 150? 80 co-workers and so-called "worldly" friends showed up. Is this the love Jesus said would "define his followers"?
To add insult to injury, Mr. Kohler didn't even come when requested by the child of my relatives to visit when the parent was near death; apparently he gave my relative the number of some local elders in the area were treatment was being prescribed, and told him to contact THEM! Then, having given direction, he merely wiped his hands of the entire matter. When some of our other Non-JW relatives died a few years ago, the Lutheran church in which they attended brought food for weeks, held prayer vigils, etc. It was overwhelming and humblig to say the least. JWS: When the going gets tough, you are left out on your a$$ apparently. Oh, unless you have $$$$...then they are all lovey-dovey!!
What a contrast in terms of "fine shepharding."
Did he post any hurtful messages on the Internet about your relatives after their passing?

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#27 May 31, 2008
JW-hypocrisy-here wrote:
First off, my condolences to the Kohler family. I wish this tragedy upon no one. He was in the prime of his life as well.
Now, on to the article and the attitude. Anyone familiar with JW's or their teachings must absolutely be floored by some of the statements made in this article. Things that "worldly" people do are most often "off-limits" to JW's; this doesn't just include holidays, saluting the flag, or blood transfusions. What I am referring to is the numerous mentions of extra-cirrcular activities he was involved in.
What do I mean? I mean, JW youth and adults are completely discouraged from "extra-cirricular activities" that would draw focus away from the "life-saving preaching work", such as any kind of sports. Also, attending sporting events such football and baseball games is seen as "mingling or associating with the world," is and heavily looked down upon. And, if you go so far as to actually COMPETE in sports, you are said to be having a, "competitive spirit of the world," and again looked down upon.
Having had family in the JW's, I am absolutely STUNNED at the numerous double standards in this article. If this guy had not been an Elder, and been active in these kinds of "off-limits, worldly" activities, he would have been privately reproved. But hey, he was an Elder right, and they can do what they want to, right?
Anyone familiar with the JW belief system or the countless WatchTower articles droning on constantly about "worldly" distractions, hobbies, extra-cirricular activities, etc knows EXACTLY what I am talking about what I say this article about him is riddled with double-standard behaviour. Also, one would be accused of bringing, "undue attention to oneself, instead of Jehovah," at the mere mention of these worldly activities.
What a fine example this article proves to be of the hypocrisy of JW religion and belief system, for in their world it's, "Do as we say, not as we do."
Again, I have nothing against him personally, but am aghast at the outright hypocrisy that the article brings forth.
Shame on the JW cult.
Again, I'm sorry this had to happen to him. No one deserves such an accident.
He sounds like a nice man who was well liked in his community and had a well rounded life. Going to a sports event or playing a game of baseball is not the same as obsessing with sports. Going on a vacation-is allowed-even for JWs, though many make their conventions a big part of their vacation.

I don't see anything contradictory, and JWs do seem a little less hard-line about some things than they used to be-various congregations seem to be less intense about these things than others. They are NOT quite as uniform as we/they think. I know this having been to congregations on two sides of the country. VERY DIFFERENT attitudes about 'worldly' things.

I am no longer a JW and have no respect for the head office or their influence/manipulation of the congregants. I do however know that there are many good and wonderful individual JWs-though they have the same issues as problems as the rest of the world-and I think they are a bit in personal denial of it, though they will give the concept lip service.

I feel bad for his young family, his wife. This is going to be a horrible nightmarish time for them.I wish them well.
JW-hypocrisy-her e

Lancaster, PA

#28 Jun 1, 2008
Missy:

No, he didn't post hurtful things on the internet about my dead relatives, he did worse: NOTHING, when the need was great. I attended his funeral out of respect, although he himself (A Presiding Overseer, by the way) didn't bother to attend ANY of my relatives funerals when they died.

Again, I can't say too much bad about him; he was a very nice guy, but when the $hit hit the fan in my relatives family, he NOR the other "Fine Shephards", were anywhere to be found!!!

Also, whoever is writing on here about how JW's are allowed to participate in sports, etc are FULL OF $hit, and obviously didn't grow up here in the northeast, or Pennsylvania, heart of the JW movement. If any JW parents allowed their children to play sports in High School, they would have been "marked" as "spiritually weak."

The "glossing over of the true facts," needs to stop. Your theocratic warfare tactics don't work on here.

Oh yeah, did I mention that while the service was nice, they didn't even talk 5 minutes about Chris, but instead used it to ram his JW beliefs down all the non-JW's throats that were in attendance. Then, at the end, they didn't even offer to let people come up to the podium and say a few words of rememberance, etc. I mean, I know the family has a say, but I feel its completely insensitive to all in attendance to have to sit through a Watchtower info-mercial. That is really sick and disrespectful to those in attendance.

Again, I can't believe this happened to him, and it is a great loss to not just the JW's, but to the entire community. Over 800 total were in attendance @ 2 local Kingdom Halls.

Regards.....
Voice of Reason

York, PA

#29 Jun 1, 2008
Missy wrote:
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Freak accidents happen, we can walk out our front door and be struck by lightning and we can't charge God for that. Let's just hope we all learn from it and make the necessary changes and that it never happens to anyone else.
I happen to agree with you. I was commenting on my observation that people want someone held responsible when another dies. My personal belief is that stupidity is not a chargable offense, only negligence (when it comes to accidents).
JWnomore

AOL

#30 Jun 1, 2008
"You see, JW funerals are not really for mourning...they are used "as a witness" to all non-believers. Ask any JW, and they will him-and-haul around until they admit it. JW's mourn breifly, for they feel that God's Judgement day is immenent and that afterwards the righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected and judged. Anyone not a JW will be thrown into the abyss or "second death" with Satan at the end of Christ's 1000 year reign over the New Earth. So, death is only temporary for JW's, and therefor you are taught not to mourn as worldy people do.

Think I am BS'ing, or making this up? Go to a JW funeral someday and you'll see I am right. No hymnals, no uplifting songs, just the JW belief system rammed down your throat, whether you came to hear it or not."

This person is not making this up. I have been to many of these in 20 years. JWs call these memorial talks. These are given for the trapped and captive nonJWs to get a "witness" about the Watchtower religion. An Infomercial is the best way to describe these.

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#31 Jun 1, 2008
JW-hypocrisy-here wrote:
Missy:
No, he didn't post hurtful things on the internet about my dead relatives, he did worse: NOTHING, when the need was great. I attended his funeral out of respect, although he himself (A Presiding Overseer, by the way) didn't bother to attend ANY of my relatives funerals when they died.
Again, I can't say too much bad about him; he was a very nice guy, but when the $hit hit the fan in my relatives family, he NOR the other "Fine Shephards", were anywhere to be found!!!
Also, whoever is writing on here about how JW's are allowed to participate in sports, etc are FULL OF $hit, and obviously didn't grow up here in the northeast, or Pennsylvania, heart of the JW movement. If any JW parents allowed their children to play sports in High School, they would have been "marked" as "spiritually weak."
The "glossing over of the true facts," needs to stop. Your theocratic warfare tactics don't work on here.
Oh yeah, did I mention that while the service was nice, they didn't even talk 5 minutes about Chris, but instead used it to ram his JW beliefs down all the non-JW's throats that were in attendance. Then, at the end, they didn't even offer to let people come up to the podium and say a few words of rememberance, etc. I mean, I know the family has a say, but I feel its completely insensitive to all in attendance to have to sit through a Watchtower info-mercial. That is really sick and disrespectful to those in attendance.
Again, I can't believe this happened to him, and it is a great loss to not just the JW's, but to the entire community. Over 800 total were in attendance @ 2 local Kingdom Halls.
Regards.....
I have my own MAJOR issues with the WTS, and I particularly hate their so called memorial/funeral services. Specially the one they gave to my cousin whose service was not allowed to be held in the KH after he killed himself. And I have seen elders do totally unloving things myself, or who dropped the ball.

So far as sports-playing a game of baseball or attending one-happens among JWs. I am not defending them! I also know that hardcore involvement in sports is discouraged, but some participation is not verbotten-Our KH played pickup games at our youth gatherings sometimes(until they were forbidden!-the gatherings, not the pick up games) Not exactly hardcore sportsman, huh:) But recreation, while downplayed, happened sometimes-though the majority of what I saw was Sun eve. bowling or roller skating. I saw young people going out dancing when I lived in NJ (MS's and wives, young unmarrieds) at clubs and such. At the KH I grew up in(West. WA) though, dancing at wedding receptions was pretty racy stuff. KHs are different, and so are individual JWs.

I am so sorry your family was not supported when they needed it. I know my mom was horribly unsupported by them during the worst crisis of her life (Her DA'd daughter had to go to the KH at meeting times to get her magazines, cause no one could be troubled to bring them to her!) The only visit she got after a life threatening operation was from a couple who basically probed to make sure she hadn't gotten blood (The HLC was pointless at that time as it was an emergency and there was no time for them to make their case against blood before the surgery.) I am not defending the WTS, but I can offer some balance-both as an ex publisher and the daughter of a current one. After nearly 30 years, I hope I have some balance on my anger and frustrations. But my hurts haven't been too personal recently, so its probably a lot easier on me than for many here.
Missy

Jonestown, PA

#32 Jun 10, 2008
Voice of Reason wrote:
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I happen to agree with you. I was commenting on my observation that people want someone held responsible when another dies. My personal belief is that stupidity is not a chargable offense, only negligence (when it comes to accidents).
And what may I ask do you do for a living? Look, things happen, let's just learn from them and try to make it better. Like I said accidents or as you call it "stupidity" happens to everyone....even you.

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