Israeli troops begin Gaza pullout as Hamas declares cease-fire

Israeli troops began withdrawing from the Gaza Strip on Sunday after Hamas declared a cease-fire, setting the stage for intensified international efforts to arrange a durable truce after a 22-day war against ... Full Story

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#65573 Nov 18, 2012
crazypeoplehere wrote:
<quoted text>
It makes sense that it could be an election ploy since people in the South of the country have had enough of Likud not protecting them.
Many Sefaradi Jews and Religious may leave his party because of Lieberman being perceived as racist and also anti religious. This idea has obviously been mentioned in Israeli press who are such lovers of Bibi. I am not sure how likely a full ground incursion is though on the one hand i hope a ceasefire is agreed upon to stop more deaths but on the other hand enough is enough if Bibi has a plan to take out Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza for good that could be better. Although giving Abbas control of Gaza with Israeli blood when he refuses to negotiate with Israel is not the best deal either.
complicated have to speak to friends in the security services see if they can tell me anything not classified.
Very complex...almost too complex for thinking which originates in-theater if you follow me.

Traditional arguments don't seem to drive the violence this time. Hamas still wants you dead...nothing's changed there. The factions can't or won't agree on a unity government and the outside agitators have different ID's. All it took was the motivation from an outsider and THEN the normal conflict takes over. If it wasn't Bibi and it wasn't Iran on behalf of Syria, WTF?

If my opinion means anything, plink these guys from the air. A ground incursion will turn sloppy fairly quickly and you'll be invaders again instead of occupiers. Another lesser-of-the-evils choice.
crazypeoplehere

Tel Aviv, Israel

#65574 Nov 18, 2012
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>Very complex...almost too complex for thinking which originates in-theater if you follow me.
Traditional arguments don't seem to drive the violence this time. Hamas still wants you dead...nothing's changed there. The factions can't or won't agree on a unity government and the outside agitators have different ID's. All it took was the motivation from an outsider and THEN the normal conflict takes over. If it wasn't Bibi and it wasn't Iran on behalf of Syria, WTF?
If my opinion means anything, plink these guys from the air. A ground incursion will turn sloppy fairly quickly and you'll be invaders again instead of occupiers. Another lesser-of-the-evils choice.
I am not even Israeli let alone in a position to be involved in decision making. So i can do as much as you unless i go on the streets which is not really good to pressure a gov which is finally acting.

A ground incursion would probably turn the West against Israel on this matter even though it would be justified. Bib is known for being very good at passing time and getting nothing done but also generally have a low casualty term on both sides.

The problem is that this whole process is going to be repeated again and against until Hamas are taken out and even then who knows who will take over. Israelis are sick and tired of a decade of rockets in the South and if the Government does not act it is possible that Israeli civilians who include many highly trained soldiers will act on their own. this is highly unlikely in the near future but with the word on the street people are pissed off.
Not to mention if a regional war started have Hamas out of the way could be detrimental to winning the battle.

Then again i do not have the classified documentation nor do i have the smallest idea of Israeli technology as most the advanced stuff is secret and has not been used in wartime yet.
I do not have details as secrets are still kept in Israel but have spoken to many friends in more of a position to know.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#65575 Nov 18, 2012
crazypeoplehere wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not even Israeli let alone in a position to be involved in decision making. So i can do as much as you unless i go on the streets which is not really good to pressure a gov which is finally acting.
A ground incursion would probably turn the West against Israel on this matter even though it would be justified. Bib is known for being very good at passing time and getting nothing done but also generally have a low casualty term on both sides.
The problem is that this whole process is going to be repeated again and against until Hamas are taken out and even then who knows who will take over. Israelis are sick and tired of a decade of rockets in the South and if the Government does not act it is possible that Israeli civilians who include many highly trained soldiers will act on their own. this is highly unlikely in the near future but with the word on the street people are pissed off.
Not to mention if a regional war started have Hamas out of the way could be detrimental to winning the battle.
Then again i do not have the classified documentation nor do i have the smallest idea of Israeli technology as most the advanced stuff is secret and has not been used in wartime yet.
I do not have details as secrets are still kept in Israel but have spoken to many friends in more of a position to know.
All the technology in the world won't help the soldiers whose feet hit those streets. Even Trophy can be overwhelmed making Israel's heavy armor vulnerable to AT rockets. Nope, it will be old-school house to house and the situation will change every time they round a corner.

For what?

Let's say all goes as planned and the operation yields positive results...what would that look like? Capturing large caches of rockets and other ordinance? Back when I did this stuff we found those things via secondary explosions. In fact, those indelible affidavits of performance were far superior to passive discovery. The public was far less likely to allow the placement of stores in populated areas when they saw the results.

Plus, the enemy is far less anxious to continue against an opponent who practices accuracy by volume.
Uzi

Kfar Saba, Israel

#65576 Nov 18, 2012
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>All the technology in the world won't help the soldiers whose feet hit those streets. Even Trophy can be overwhelmed making Israel's heavy armor vulnerable to AT rockets. Nope, it will be old-school house to house and the situation will change every time they round a corner.
For what?
Let's say all goes as planned and the operation yields positive results...what would that look like? Capturing large caches of rockets and other ordinance? Back when I did this stuff we found those things via secondary explosions. In fact, those indelible affidavits of performance were far superior to passive discovery. The public was far less likely to allow the placement of stores in populated areas when they saw the results.
Plus, the enemy is far less anxious to continue against an opponent who practices accuracy by volume.
arab muslims dont have a choice of whats being put in or under their homes. Hammas is not a democracy. You speak up againts them and you dissapear forever.
crazypeoplehere

Tel Aviv, Israel

#65577 Nov 18, 2012
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>All the technology in the world won't help the soldiers whose feet hit those streets. Even Trophy can be overwhelmed making Israel's heavy armor vulnerable to AT rockets. Nope, it will be old-school house to house and the situation will change every time they round a corner.
For what?
Let's say all goes as planned and the operation yields positive results...what would that look like? Capturing large caches of rockets and other ordinance? Back when I did this stuff we found those things via secondary explosions. In fact, those indelible affidavits of performance were far superior to passive discovery. The public was far less likely to allow the placement of stores in populated areas when they saw the results.
Plus, the enemy is far less anxious to continue against an opponent who practices accuracy by volume.
Whilst America and probably most other countries in the world would get away with carpet bombing when necessary Israeli cannot even cause one instance of multiple casualties before the majority abroad are calling for a cessation of military activity.
I do not believe that the civilians in Gaza have a choice whether their property is used as storage. And its in Hamas interest to cause as many casualties on their own side as possible to blame Israel.
BBC have already been caught this time showing fake footage of a dead man who is mysteriously resurrected minutes later. Pallywood is back for another round.

Here is the problem eventually at some point Israel will have to enter Gaza to stop the missiles and the longer it takes the more advanced Hamas IJ and co become. Also better to fight on our terms than theirs especially if Iran conflict grows.
They apparently now have, anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, tunnels throughout the land, long range missiles, may have increased distance of kassams to reach Jerusalem and parts of the West Bank. not to mention all the extra tools and training received from Iran and Hizballah.
Only time shall tell but not in the mood for war especially during the winter. Emergency supplies here we come.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#65578 Nov 18, 2012
Uzi wrote:
<quoted text>
arab muslims dont have a choice of whats being put in or under their homes. Hammas is not a democracy. You speak up againts them and you dissapear forever.
Tough choice...disappeared whole by your own or disappeared at the molecular level by your enemies. Hmmmmmm.

I almost just wrote that sooner or later you're going to have to cut these a-holes some slack.(but I caught myself)

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#65579 Nov 18, 2012
crazypeoplehere wrote:
<quoted text>
Whilst America and probably most other countries in the world would get away with carpet bombing when necessary Israeli cannot even cause one instance of multiple casualties before the majority abroad are calling for a cessation of military activity.
I do not believe that the civilians in Gaza have a choice whether their property is used as storage. And its in Hamas interest to cause as many casualties on their own side as possible to blame Israel.
BBC have already been caught this time showing fake footage of a dead man who is mysteriously resurrected minutes later. Pallywood is back for another round.
Here is the problem eventually at some point Israel will have to enter Gaza to stop the missiles and the longer it takes the more advanced Hamas IJ and co become. Also better to fight on our terms than theirs especially if Iran conflict grows.
They apparently now have, anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, tunnels throughout the land, long range missiles, may have increased distance of kassams to reach Jerusalem and parts of the West Bank. not to mention all the extra tools and training received from Iran and Hizballah.
Only time shall tell but not in the mood for war especially during the winter. Emergency supplies here we come.
Kind of like hurricane season here. Fill the cupboards with shelf-stable groceries and never have more than $50 worth of perishables in the freezer until after November 30th.

I decided I'm going with Iran, the atomic candlestick, in the library.

The Persians can't afford to lose their stepping stone to Israel and their (figurative) ship in Syria is taking on water. There is no easier way for them to distract the Arab world than with an Israeli/Palestinian crisis. All they needed was for Israel to whack a few civilians and the volume automatically goes up in the Ummah.

Meanwhile, do you know where your WMD's are Mr. Assad? It's classic sleight of hand. I picture Hamas agreeing to take one for the team in exchange for some future favors from Iran and an uninterrupted supply of larger rockets for them to torment you.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#65580 Nov 18, 2012
Arab News of Saudi Arabia

Tel Aviv, Israel

#65581 Nov 19, 2012
Rambone

Duncanville, TX

#65583 Nov 19, 2012
Great Satan and Shitreal's new Doctrine = Kill and be killed - you can run but you can't hide behind the apartheid wall

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#65584 Nov 19, 2012
Arab News of Saudi Arabia wrote:
EXACTLY!

I've been reading Abdulateef Al Mulhim for years now and there is something I don't get about him...how he's still alive. His commentary, with few exceptions, has been fair, balanced and self-aware. When he sees wrong in the Arab world he has been unafraid to speak up. When he makes suggestions as to course corrections for the Arab/Muslim world, they usually make sense. I just don't get how he gets away with it.(must be related to someone important)

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#65585 Nov 19, 2012
Rambone wrote:
Great Satan and Shitreal's new Doctrine = Kill and be killed - you can run but you can't hide behind the apartheid wall
What's next Stewy?

Is the great nation of Persia going to mop the floor with Jew-heads? You of all people would benefit greatly from a high colonic. Do it today...you'll thank me for it.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#65586 Nov 19, 2012
This is my favorite Jew....well...third favorite....after Izzy and TRD...

&fe ature=related

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#65587 Nov 19, 2012
Faith wrote:
This is my favorite Jew....well...third favorite....after Izzy and TRD...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =5_swaxOidGUXX&feature=rel ated
I still get seconds?

Y'know, if you two stuck around for a couple of innings you could get some intercourse done. I know how you love to taunt the Slavs and the Turks but Ize came back and he was looking for you, not me.:-)
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#65588 Nov 19, 2012
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>I still get seconds?
Y'know, if you two stuck around for a couple of innings you could get some intercourse done. I know how you love to taunt the Slavs and the Turks but Ize came back and he was looking for you, not me.:-)
Izzy....Izzy.....he's the reason us I-talians love you Jews.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#65589 Nov 19, 2012
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Izzy....Izzy.....he's the reason us I-talians love you Jews.
Thanks, I'll take it anyway I can get it but don't forget to hold out some lovin' for Ize...even Christians and atheists need a hug.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#65590 Nov 19, 2012
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks, I'll take it anyway I can get it but don't forget to hold out some lovin' for Ize...even Christians and atheists need a hug.
You make me miss Florida. You Hebrews own the joint. I'm sorry about the Cubans and Haitians tough. Meir Lansky would cry.

&fe ature=related
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#65591 Nov 19, 2012
*though*

“Quality is always an accident”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#65592 Nov 19, 2012
TRD wrote:
http://static.someecards.com/s omeecards/usercards/1353171856 691_2774517.png
They will be re-born. Pabst Beverage Company is working on it. Hey, Faith. Wanna dance? Chicken fight? ;)

“Quality is always an accident”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#65593 Nov 19, 2012
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>What's next Stewy?
Is the great nation of Persia going to mop the floor with Jew-heads? You of all people would benefit greatly from a high colonic. Do it today...you'll thank me for it.
It's not Stewy's fault. He has the same anxieties we have.

"Oswald and his colleagues wanted to see if there was a biological explanation for this trend. His team asked zookeepers at 65 zoos to rate happiness in more than 500 chimpanzees and orangutans. Among the questions, zookeepers were asked whether the apes were in good moods, whether the animals got pleasure from socializing and whether they achieved their goals. Researchers also answered the question, "if you were that ape, how happy would you be?"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57552036/...

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