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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Abolish The Fed

Stamford, CT

#70810 Apr 3, 2014
former res wrote:
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Not depressed. It just struck me that yesterday was a net loss on here.
Familiar with trolls from way back. And how "not to feed" them.
Sometime I choose to play on a limited basis. But that's on me.
I do think ATF has gotten worse, but could my own memory playing tricks on me.
Huggy follows the words of old men from many years ago and thus does not think for himself.
His people probably practiced voodoo and now then they just updated their incantations.
You practice voodoo too, pretending some 200 plus year old document is some how applicable to me or you.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70811 Apr 3, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Wonder what happened to Volunteerist, and if that is part of the situation.
Will keep an "I" on the situation.
Yeah, good point.

Didn't he go from ATF to Volunteerist BACK to ATF??

I wonder just how many people his is??
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70812 Apr 3, 2014
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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You practice voodoo too, pretending some 200 plus year old document is some how applicable to me or you.
Do believe that gravity is applicable to you?

Why or why not? Facts.
Abolish The Fed

Stamford, CT

#70814 Apr 3, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Do believe that gravity is applicable to you?
Why or why not? Facts.
So a law of physics is some how comparable to the us constitution?

How would you compare the two?
This sounds like a common core comparison.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#70815 Apr 3, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, good point.
Didn't he go from ATF to Volunteerist BACK to ATF??
I wonder just how many people his is??
Probably just one (the guy from Norwalk was a troll).

I prefer ATF - simpler to type, easier for the NSA to track.....
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70816 Apr 3, 2014
Frijoles---As someone who claims to have no religious affiliation you consistently reveal otherwise by your presumptuous DISRESPECT for Jews.

HughBe--- Indeed, you are a model disciple of your masters who teach that DISHONESTY is KOSHER. Now follow me closely and LEARN somethings good for a change.

1. I have NEVER claimed that I have no religious affiliation as you have asserted. Your LIE is pathetic and befits your character.

2. I do NOT disrespect Jews as you have FALSELY asserted. Tell me aspiring rabbis, why do you feel that you have the RIGHT to disrespect those who are NOT Jews? Please do NOT LIE and say that you do NOT. I am confident that I can find your DISRESPECT for non-Jews just by looking at the past 24 hours of posts.

Frijoles--- No Jew calls himself or herself Judaite and I think all would take offence to it but yet you persist, you blind dumb sheep.

HughBe--- Boy, YOU cannot THINK for FOR even ONE of my Jewish RELATIVES. YOU lack the capacity and the class.

Also no INTELLIGENT and HONEST Jew would take offence to my use of Judaite or Judaist as my DECLARED intentions are clear and it has NOTHING to do with DISRESPECT.

Now get an INTELLIGENT and HONEST Jew to explain what comes next.

1. I use the words Judaite or Judaist to differentiate between Jews who are affiliated with the RELIGION JUDAISM. How did I come up with the words. Follow now BOY.

Buddhism= RELIGION and its adherents are called Buddhists.

Judaism= RELIGION and its adherents are called Judaists.

2. Jews and or Israelites are the PHYSICAL descendants of a man called Israel. Being a PHYSICAL descendant has NOTHING to do with your religious beliefs meaning that RELIGION does NOT and CANNOT make anyone a PHYSICAL descendant of anyone. Take it to the courts and prove otherwise Dr. Frijoles of SCIENCES.

3. The denial of the Jewish identity of even a SINGLE Jew by you or anyone else should be TREATED as a CRIME against humanity, in my opinion. It is ABUSIVE and dishonest and no one should get away with it.

Go study the above.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70817 Apr 3, 2014
former res wrote:
Between Huggybear and ATF, not a great day here on the forum.
Speaking of The Forum, only our Roman friend has had anything of interest to say.
Put another "hump day" behind us!
Another wolf in sheep clothing.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70818 Apr 3, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
<quoted text>
Jews are a Nation. Judaism is the religion.
Now what is your question?
HughBe---Since it is religion that makes one a JEW then I find it interesting that CONVERT Jews do not follow their masters blindly. How then did the "QUALIFY" to become "JEWS"?
.

Adam---Jews are a Nation. Judaism is the religion.

HughBe--- Nation in the sense of BLOOD RELATIVES and not in the sense of say America as a nation.

Adam---Now what is your question?

HughBe---The intent of your question is understood nevertheless I shall answer it. In speaking about CONVERTS to JUDAISM a religion the rabbis by their self-given authority make a non-Jew into a Jew.

Now Frijoles has falsely asserted that Jews/Judaists which would include CONVERTS do not follow their rabbis blindly and so my question was, how then did they meaning converts "QUALIFY" to become "JEWS"?

In my mind they had to accept ALL that their rabbis taught them.

Get it?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70819 Apr 3, 2014
COMPLETING the thought process above.

I use the words Judaite or Judaist to differentiate between Jews who are affiliated with the RELIGION JUDAISM as opposed to those who are not affiliated with it for any reason such as being an atheist or a member of another religion.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70820 Apr 3, 2014
2014 AD---- a "Leading Sefardi Haredi Rabbi Tells University Students It Is KOSHER To Cheat (Be DISHONEST) And Plagiarize

2000 BC--- God told Israel--- YOU shall NOT STEAL.

Definition of STEAL--- "Dishonestly pass off (another person’s ideas) as one’s own:"

Definition of Plagiarize----"Take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one’s own:"

Who are YOU OBEYING?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70821 Apr 3, 2014
Bi boys.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70822 Apr 3, 2014
Hugh,

What is reality in your opinion?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70823 Apr 3, 2014
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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Oh you know not to turn your back in a psych patient while taking out the garbage?
Did you move up in your profession and take a job with the government garbage monopoly?
Prove to me with facts that there is a government.

And also that there is such a thing as garbage.

Are you familiar with the following adage?

"One man's trash is another man's treasure."

Why or why not? Facts please.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70824 Apr 3, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
2. My son, the commandment prohibiting men flocing men did NOT originate with those Jewish "old men" it originated with God Almighty.
Why do you believe that those are the words of god?

Do you have any evidence to support the belief or is it based solely on faith?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
PS: Explain the challenge that you experience with things written in a book.
I think it is a very nice book written thousands of years ago by wise and thoughtful men.

Until I have other evidence, this is what I think.

But I would never let these men do my thinking for me as you do.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#70825 Apr 3, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
HughBe---Since it is religion that makes one a JEW then I find it interesting that CONVERT Jews do not follow their masters blindly. How then did the "QUALIFY" to become "JEWS"?
.
Adam---Jews are a Nation. Judaism is the religion.
HughBe--- Nation in the sense of BLOOD RELATIVES and not in the sense of say America as a nation.
Adam---Now what is your question?
HughBe---The intent of your question is understood nevertheless I shall answer it. In speaking about CONVERTS to JUDAISM a religion the rabbis by their self-given authority make a non-Jew into a Jew.
Now Frijoles has falsely asserted that Jews/Judaists which would include CONVERTS do not follow their rabbis blindly and so my question was, how then did they meaning converts "QUALIFY" to become "JEWS"?
In my mind they had to accept ALL that their rabbis taught them.
Get it?
Nation in the sense of Nationhood. Your description of Jews as BLOOD RELATIVES smacks of nazism. Shame on you.

A person born a Jew, part of the Jewish Nation. Additionally, just as every other nation, Jews also have naturalization laws to become part of that nation.

The means of naturalization to become a member of the Jewish Nation is conversion. Once a person has converted they have all the rights and obligations of any other member of the Nation. The naturalization process is what makes Jews like every other nation on earth.

No one can convert to become an Arab, Japanese, black or white. Those are all ethnicities.

Converts become Jews by a well established and accepted conversion process. Why would you even think anyone would blindly follow anyone even a Rabbi? Is that what you require?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70826 Apr 3, 2014
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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So a law of physics is some how comparable to the us constitution?
How would you compare the two?
This sounds like a common core comparison.
I still need to know why you believe the Constitutions does not apply to you before we can go and further with this.

Do you believe that ANY laws apply to you?

Why or why not? Seriously.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#70827 Apr 3, 2014
HughBe wrote:
2014 AD---- a "Leading Sefardi Haredi Rabbi Tells University Students It Is KOSHER To Cheat (Be DISHONEST) And Plagiarize
Got a link?

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70828 Apr 3, 2014
LIMITATIONS GALORE

Werner Heisenberg uncovered the fact that we can’t be certain of both the position and the momentum of particles which means that our ability to investigate the ultimate nature of things with our present experimental methods is limited. Beyond that limited range, the world is inconceivable. Besides, at the atomic level, the detecting instruments we use always disturb whatever "object" we’re looking at and so we can't surmise about the structure of nature as it is. All we can talk about is the structure of our investigations, which is a totally different aspect. Similarly, a biologist can not talk with definitive authority about the scores of complex chemical reactions taking place in a living system because if he has to know what actually is going on in the living system he would have to kill the organism which would make a big difference to his investigations. So, in this case, too, surmises have to be made. Also, no one knows with certainty whether the early earth atmosphere was of an oxidizing or of a reducing nature....

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#70829 Apr 3, 2014
former res wrote:
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The "intense" comment was made by Rick Steves I think, a travel writer and host of tv shows on travel. I think he was talking about the food and culture in general. It would tie in with what you said about southern European cities having more to see than northern perhaps.
What do you think about Venice? much to see and do there? How about Sicily?
In Philadelphia where I lived for decades, they said it was second only to Paris in the number or outdoor sculpture and a very nice Rodin museum. One of 7 castings of The Thinker.
Chicago style is the thick kind of pizza. Depends if you like it or not. It was very thin in Rome as I recall but very good.
Have not seen the Rocky Mountains. Haven't been as much in the western US, Montana at a dude ranch. A good week of horseback riding.
Gentlemen's Club! Now we're talking. A man after my own heart! Bring $$$$
We stayed at the Bellagio in Vegas and also saw a Cirqe show. I think it's "mandatory!" :).
And the Blue Man group - one of the best shows I ever saw
And yes from what I hear, Aspen is where the pretty and wealthy people hang out. Prettier and richer than me!
Southern Italy and food? Put it in this way, if some southerner invites you in his home you will eat as much as to explode. If you tell him you're full, he and/or his family will feel offended and you are forced to eat everything.

If you like culture and if you pass through Italy, Florence is a must.

Venezia (Venice) is a very little city, has about 300,000 inhabitants. You can watch the famous Piazza San Marco, Palazzo Ducale. The Peggy Guggenheim Museum that contains european and american art of the first half of 1900. Of course don't forget a gondola ride through Venice, that is the nice and romantic part of that city. There is a market and luxury boutiques to look. An advice though, if ever happen to go to Venice, be aware the gondeliers will increase the price to turists. Ask to some authority over there what is the current price for a gondola ride, to make sure you pay the right price.

Sicily is a region not a city. Never been there, but I can tell what I know about it. If you are a beach lover you may want to go to Isole (Islands) Eolie and/or Isola dei Conigli. These two places are famous for their beautiful beaches, especially the latter who was elected as the most beautiful beach in the world in 2013 by Tripadvisor.
Another stunning beach is Taormina, an international place, and it's so beautiful that many movies have been recorded over there. It has also a beautiful Greek-Roman theatre. Taormina is also famous for its mix of roman, greek, arabic art that make that little place unique.
While the city of Agrigento is famous for its Temples Valleys. It should be nice there especially because you can walk through ancient Greek temples.
Sicily has the biggest european volcano. People enjoy excursions over there. It should has a beautiful view.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70830 Apr 3, 2014
MORE CONFUSION

The so-called spacetime continuum is sheer nonsense.

Using Lorentz transformations, it permits time to be mapped into space and vice versa which would mean that time and space must possess an identical geometric nature.

I can understand that direction in space is a convention - a person walking in a "forward" direction thinks that he really is moving ahead but someone walking "forward" in an opposite direction would also think that he too is walking ahead and that the first person is walking backward to his own forward movement. Similarly, the first person would think the same about the second person he encounters in his walk.

However, for something as dynamic as time, which is universally experienced as always moving from past, to present to the future, and never in the reverse, to get converted by mathematical maneuvers into a static geometric coordinate without a past, present and future is something inconceivable to the human mind. The implication of forging spacetime into one continuum is that the vector of time gets reduced to an illusion when actually speaking the experience of the passage of events in space strictly adheres to a temporal order that the conscious memory can recollect about what it experienced in the past and be aware of what is happening to it in the present. According to the spacetime continuum, I was never a baby nor a toddler nor a teen with all my experiences of the past being mere illusions with my present, too, being illusory. LOL.

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