Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

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#67454 Feb 11, 2014
Some flocer finally understood what you meant, Dr. F

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#67456 Feb 11, 2014
HughBe wrote:
As a matter of fact, I believe and I am saying/PROMOTING the idea that America and the other CHRISTIAN countries should wake-up to the reality of this world and TREAT people of ALL other RELIGIONS the same way that Christians are treated in those countries where those religions are followed by the MAJORITY, of religious persons.
Note, by treat I mean via the use of laws and so you would see such things as some religions being ILLEGAL in the US and elsewhere.
Do unto them as they HAVE done to you.
The US Constitution says specifically that America ISN'T a Xtian country.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

In Haiti, do they have laws establishing Voodoo as the official religion?

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#67457 Feb 11, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well i guess it all depends on whether you believe Bereeesheet written by G-D, or anti-Bereeesheet written by fallible scientists the enemies of G-D. who would you rather believe, about seven billion enemies of G-D or G-D?
Don't be such a Dalek

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#67458 Feb 11, 2014
E23Jer34 wrote:
Jesus was a jew...
Doubtful ... no good Jewish boy would ever embarrass his mother that way.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67459 Feb 11, 2014
RM----The US Constitution says specifically that America ISN'T a Xtian country.

HughBe--- I totally agree with you as there is no such thing as a Xtian country.

RM----"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

HughBe--- What percentage of the framers of the US Constitution were religious? What religion did most of them belong to?

Having answered those two questions, do you think that those people were AGAINST religion and in particular Christianity?

Can elements of the US constitution be changed?

RM---In Haiti, do they have laws establishing Voodoo as the official religion?

HughBe--- You are in a much better position to know as it seems to be a topic that is near and dear to you.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67460 Feb 11, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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The US Constitution says specifically that America ISN'T a Xtian country.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
In Haiti, do they have laws establishing Voodoo as the official religion?
What religion was practiced by the vast majority of Americans when the constitution was being formulated?
Please choose an answer from-- Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism or Voodoo?

What was the thinking/context behind ""Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof""

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#67461 Feb 11, 2014
Actually they were against organized Christianity. Obviously some people here are totally oblivious to American history, in particular the cultural roots of the nation from the Puritans - who were fleeing persecution from fellow Christians and only desired to be left alone (sound familiar?).
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67462 Feb 11, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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The US Constitution says specifically that America ISN'T a Xtian country.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
In Haiti, do they have laws establishing Voodoo as the official religion?
Based on the text below, do you suppose that they held Saturday/Sabbath or Friday to be a HOLY days?

What does the except SUNDAYS tell you?

“If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (SUNDAYS excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.”
The Constitution of the United States of America, Article 1, Section 7

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#67463 Feb 11, 2014
And then there were the colonies/territories of Rhode Island AND Virginia which were both founded on the notion of religious freedom for ALL (and not just Christians).

And I believe Georgia was the same as well.

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#67464 Feb 11, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Based on the text below, do you suppose that they held Saturday/Sabbath or Friday to be a HOLY days?
What does the except SUNDAYS tell you?
“If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (SUNDAYS excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.”
The Constitution of the United States of America, Article 1, Section 7
You do understand that several of the Founding Fathers were Deists, and not Christian?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism#Deism_in_t...

n the United States, Enlightenment philosophy (which itself was heavily inspired by deist ideals) played a major role in creating the principle of religious freedom, expressed in Thomas Jefferson's letters and included in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. American Founding Fathers, or Framers of the Constitution, who were especially noted for being influenced by such philosophy include Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Cornelius Harnett, Gouverneur Morris, and Hugh Williamson. Their political speeches show distinct deistic influence.

Other notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly deist. These include James Madison, possibly Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen,[47] and Thomas Paine (who published The Age of Reason, a treatise that helped to popularize deism throughout the USA and Europe).

A major contributor was Elihu Palmer (1764–1806), who wrote the "Bible" of American deism in his Principles of Nature (1801) and attempted to organize deism by forming the "Deistical Society of New York".

In the United States there is controversy over whether the Founding Fathers were Christians, deists, or something in between.[48][49] Particularly heated is the debate over the beliefs of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington.[50][51][52]
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67465 Feb 11, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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Doubtful ... no good Jewish boy would ever embarrass his mother that way.
E23Jer34---Jesus was a jew...

RM---Doubtful ... no good Jewish boy would ever embarrass his mother that way

HughBe--- Doubtful? Prove that Jesus NOT a Jew? Your words speak for themselves.

Are you worth the DUST off Jesus' feet? ABSOLUTELY NOT and neither ALL those who would support your DISHONEST and EVIL words.

I repeat Christians should treat others the EXACT way that others treat them.

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#67466 Feb 11, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
And then there were the colonies/territories of Rhode Island AND Virginia which were both founded on the notion of religious freedom for ALL (and not just Christians).
And I believe Georgia was the same as well.
On the other hand, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania were founded to be communes for their respective religious cults. I'm pretty sure that was a least one of reasons behind forbidding Congress from getting into the whole establishing religion business.

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#67467 Feb 11, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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What does the except SUNDAYS tell you?
That the President likes football?

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#67468 Feb 11, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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...Are you worth the DUST off Jesus' feet?
Seriously... what's up with Xtians and feet? It's like a major fetish in their religion.

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#67469 Feb 11, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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On the other hand, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania were founded to be communes for their respective religious cults. I'm pretty sure that was a least one of reasons behind forbidding Congress from getting into the whole establishing religion business.
Absoultely,.I alluded to that in a previous post. The Puritans just wanted to be left alone, and wanted guarantees as such. They werent concerned with anybody else's affairs. Connecticut - as well since it was a break off from Mass.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67470 Feb 11, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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You do understand that several of the Founding Fathers were Deists, and not Christian?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism#Deism_in_t...
n the United States, Enlightenment philosophy (which itself was heavily inspired by deist ideals) played a major role in creating the principle of religious freedom, expressed in Thomas Jefferson's letters and included in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. American Founding Fathers, or Framers of the Constitution, who were especially noted for being influenced by such philosophy include Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Cornelius Harnett, Gouverneur Morris, and Hugh Williamson. Their political speeches show distinct deistic influence.
Other notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly deist. These include James Madison, possibly Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen,[47] and Thomas Paine (who published The Age of Reason, a treatise that helped to popularize deism throughout the USA and Europe).
A major contributor was Elihu Palmer (1764–1806), who wrote the "Bible" of American deism in his Principles of Nature (1801) and attempted to organize deism by forming the "Deistical Society of New York".
In the United States there is controversy over whether the Founding Fathers were Christians, deists, or something in between.[48][49] Particularly heated is the debate over the beliefs of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington.[50][51][52]
Son, please don't confuse yourself. Now answer my questions.

1. What does the except SUNDAYS tell you? Is it treating Sunday as SPECIAL? Is it treating Friday or Saturday/Sabbath as special or holy days?

“If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (SUNDAYS excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.”

2. What religion was practiced by the vast majority of Americans when the constitution was being written?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67471 Feb 11, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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That the President likes football?
Intelligent answer and the truth is he watched it on CNN, as you know.

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#67472 Feb 11, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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That the President likes football?
totally amusing to hear a fundamentalist from Jamaica try to interpret American history for us. I would think he would have his hands (or feet) full with explaining away Voodoo from his own island first. And then perhaps Reggae since it is obviously a sin against his god.

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#67473 Feb 11, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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You do understand that several of the Founding Fathers were Deists, and not Christian?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism#Deism_in_t...
n the United States, Enlightenment philosophy (which itself was heavily inspired by deist ideals) played a major role in creating the principle of religious freedom, expressed in Thomas Jefferson's letters and included in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. American Founding Fathers, or Framers of the Constitution, who were especially noted for being influenced by such philosophy include Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Cornelius Harnett, Gouverneur Morris, and Hugh Williamson. Their political speeches show distinct deistic influence.
Other notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly deist. These include James Madison, possibly Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen,[47] and Thomas Paine (who published The Age of Reason, a treatise that helped to popularize deism throughout the USA and Europe).
A major contributor was Elihu Palmer (1764–1806), who wrote the "Bible" of American deism in his Principles of Nature (1801) and attempted to organize deism by forming the "Deistical Society of New York".
In the United States there is controversy over whether the Founding Fathers were Christians, deists, or something in between.[48][49] Particularly heated is the debate over the beliefs of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington.[50][51][52]
Americans have always maintained a very weird (in my opinion) duality between religion and politics. One of the strangest I ever saw was in a movie I watched recently, "Gabriel Over the White House"

In that movie, a newly elected President undergoes a spiritual conversion as the result of a car accident and becomes possessed by the angel Gabriel. In the movie he goes on to disband Congress, redact the Constitution and set up extrajudicial courts and -- in the end -- he is the "hero" of the movie.

The movie, made in 1939 with money of WR Hurst and the blessing and encouragement of FD Roosevelt, was like a love-letter to fascism. Fascism with religious overtones.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67474 Feb 11, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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Seriously... what's up with Xtians and feet? It's like a major fetish in their religion.
Son, it is not the feet that is the focus it is the dust.

FYI, sandals were the typical footwear back them and so feet would be exposed to dust.

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