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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50023 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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And we all know what happens to people who make assumptions.
Grow up.

You hardly have any intelligence to comment on any subject of substance.

Make the best use of the little intelligence that you have.

This post ends the exchange on this topic.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#50024 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Straw argument - I never said only Jews.
And Jews have lived in Israel continuously. GO back and study your history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews
And learn what mizrahi means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews
Living does not mean "controlling land"....some people of every faith are living in every country, that does not mean people start dividing lands for them.

The world powers made "exception" for Jews and only Jews. In no other case they gathered people of a faith from all over the world and created a "nation" for them.

It was a bad site selection and the world would continue to face the repercussion for it for all times.

Most act of terrorism in the world are related one way or other to that poor site selection.

The cost itself has gone into multi trillions of Dollars and how much more it would consume before world powers realize that they were taken for a sucker, only time will tell.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50025 Mar 10, 2013
QUESTIONS:

1) Why is burial a better method of disposing off a corpse than cremation? Give the details.

2) Do you think evolutionary forces will throw up the new species through man by an act of emergence of the involved ranges of consciousness and energy?



3) Why is a death an inevitability on the plane of matter till now?

4) Is it possible to time travel? How?

5) What do you mean by existence and non-existence?

6) Is reincarnation possible given the cyclical nature of everything that we see around us?

7) Is there anything like nothing? If so, define nothing.

8) Is color therapy effective and does it have a scientific basis?

9) What is ego? Can it be erased?

10) Is time a continuum? What is time?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50026 Mar 10, 2013
QUESTION:

Let us explore in a logical manner the events that follow death:

What could happen in the disembodied state to the consciousness and energy of the dead person?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50027 Mar 10, 2013
QUESTIONS:

What are the basal constituents of the universe in all its dimensions?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50028 Mar 10, 2013
AN EXTRACT FROM DR STEPHEN HAWKING'S BOOK "A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME", PAGES 176-177:

“With the advent of quantum mechanics, we have come to recognize that events cannot be predicted with complete accuracy but that there is always a degree of uncertainty. In modern times, we have redefined the aim of science which is to formulate a set of laws that enables us to predict events only up to the limit set by the uncertainty principle.

On many occasions we have increased the sensitivity of our measurements or made a new class observations, only to discover new phenomena that were not predicted by the existing theory, and to account for these we have had to develop a more advanced theory. It would therefore not be very surprising if the present generation of grand unified theories was wrong in claiming that nothing essentially new will happen between the electroweak unification energy of about 100GeV and the grand unification energy of about a thousand million million GeV. We might indeed expect to find several new layers of structure more basic than the quarks and electrons that we now regard as elementary.

However, it seems that gravity may provide a limit to this sequence of “boxes within boxes”. If one had a particle with an energy above what is called the Planck energy, ten million million million GeV, its mass would be so concentrated that it would cut itself off from the rest of the universe and form a little black hole. Thus it does seem that the sequence of more and more refined theories should have some limit as we go to higher and higher energies, so that there should be some ultimate theory of the universe.”

QUESTIONS:

1) Are there gradations of energy or are there gradations of only consciousness?

2) If consciousness and energy form a unified field as they necessarily should so as to cogently explain the cycles of manifestation-dissolution, sentience, order, purpose, matter and stability then how does one explain the finer states of existence in terms of the subtler dimensions of consciousness-energy after perusing Dr Stephen Hawking's views as posted above?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50029 Mar 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Living does not mean "controlling land"....some people of every faith are living in every country, that does not mean people start dividing lands for them.
The world powers made "exception" for Jews and only Jews. In no other case they gathered people of a faith from all over the world and created a "nation" for them.
It was a bad site selection and the world would continue to face the repercussion for it for all times.
Most act of terrorism in the world are related one way or other to that poor site selection.
The cost itself has gone into multi trillions of Dollars and how much more it would consume before world powers realize that they were taken for a sucker, only time will tell.
Oh, so Jews are welcome back into their land as long as they dont "control" i.e. own land? Do realize how arrogant that sounds?

"The world powers made "exception" for Jews and only Jews. In no other case they gathered people of a faith from all over the world and created a "nation" for them..." Oh - so there are NO islamic countries?

Jews are the source of terrorism? Arent you willfully ignoring the role of Political Islam?(no need to reply on this one - it is too self evident to be worthy of bandwith).

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50030 Mar 11, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
You're not a native Hebrew in the Biblical sense.
As I said earlier, you are of European stock whose forefathers converted some centuries ago from paganism or whatever to demonism (Judaism).
Joel- you dont even know how many toes I am wiggling, let alone what my genetic stock is.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50031 Mar 11, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Grow up.
You hardly have any intelligence to comment on any subject of substance.
Make the best use of the little intelligence that you have.
This post ends the exchange on this topic.
I'll make a deal. I'll grow up when you stop issuing pronouncements.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#50032 Mar 11, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, so Jews are welcome back into their land as long as they dont "control" i.e. own land? Do realize how arrogant that sounds?
"The world powers made "exception" for Jews and only Jews. In no other case they gathered people of a faith from all over the world and created a "nation" for them..." Oh - so there are NO islamic countries?
Jews are the source of terrorism? Arent you willfully ignoring the role of Political Islam?(no need to reply on this one - it is too self evident to be worthy of bandwith).
When any one wants to "re-enter" any country which he or she leaves due to any reason for sufficiently long time, they do need a VISA to enter it, is that not a NORMAL Norm?

Jews could enter into Palestine after getting proper VISAS.

I just do not know where you are leading with such type of arguments.

In no way you will find justification for "Palestine belongs to Jews" which ever way you try, unless of course you argue "God gave it to Abraham" for an ever lasting possession."

And even then Children of Ishmael would have an inheritance in it!!

You were shocked that I linked Jews with terrorism? Isreal is the main center of International Terrorism since its inception and Jews were involved in terrorism, much before the state of Isreal came into existence in 1948.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50033 Mar 11, 2013
ROFL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50034 Mar 11, 2013
QUESTION:

What is time? Is it an objective or a subjective aspect of nature?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#50037 Mar 11, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Not anymore and in the past too it was more token than anything else. As soon as I discovered its demonic roots, I threw away the vestiges of tokenism as well.
I am not part of any cult or faith as I leave such perverse affiliations to retards and to those with a tribal mindset.
I am too intelligent and have too many inner experiences that far exceed the narrow and perverse scope of evil scriptures like Tanakh or NT to be part of any tribal cult or formal religion.
I consider myself a secular cosmic citizen and lay full emphasis on being and becoming leading to self-realization.
rabbee: you just described yourself, as a secular pagan demon worshiper. the secular religion of the beast, that only claims to not be a religion. aka: the religion of the lukewarm, athiesm of the first kind.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#50038 Mar 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Living does not mean "controlling land"....some people of every faith are living in every country, that does not mean people start dividing lands for them.
The world powers made "exception" for Jews and only Jews. In no other case they gathered people of a faith from all over the world and created a "nation" for them.
It was a bad site selection and the world would continue to face the repercussion for it for all times.
Most act of terrorism in the world are related one way or other to that poor site selection.
The cost itself has gone into multi trillions of Dollars and how much more it would consume before world powers realize that they were taken for a sucker, only time will tell.
rabbee: denial of any prophecy in the process of coming true, only means you are being untrue about it. so you are either making muhammed and all-h look like a liar, or you, muhammed, and all-h are all all a lie. since the multitudes are returning to Ysrael, just as predicted. and it is specificly timed, at the arribial of both me and the woman here in TheTorah again.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#50039 Mar 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
When any one wants to "re-enter" any country which he or she leaves due to any reason for sufficiently long time, they do need a VISA to enter it, is that not a NORMAL Norm?
Jews could enter into Palestine after getting proper VISAS.
I just do not know where you are leading with such type of arguments.
In no way you will find justification for "Palestine belongs to Jews" which ever way you try, unless of course you argue "God gave it to Abraham" for an ever lasting possession."
And even then Children of Ishmael would have an inheritance in it!!
You were shocked that I linked Jews with terrorism? Isreal is the main center of International Terrorism since its inception and Jews were involved in terrorism, much before the state of Isreal came into existence in 1948.
rabbee: you are calling the most terrorized group, on earth the terrorists? is there any other group on earth, that has not been involved in terrorizing and persecuting the multitudes.

what are you, stupid? the were terrorized by the egyptians, they were terrorized by the babeloneans, they were terrorized by the greek, they were terrorized by the romans, they were terrorized by the christians, they have been and are still being terrorized by the islamists. there is not one country in this world, that the multitudes have not been terrorized in.

and now you claim, that when they finally bring more than their helplist to a gunfight. they automaticly become, the terrorist? sounds to me, like you have been listing to terrorist propaganda against them. cause it sure does not admit, to the actual truth.

you are not any where, close to the truth on this one. as the fact is, they would not be returning to Ysrael. unless it has already been, commanded to Happen by G-D. and this is one of the few times, in history. that G-D has given them, the right to defend themselves.
former res

Broomall, PA

#50040 Mar 11, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll make a deal. I'll grow up when you stop issuing pronouncements.
Always the voice of reason!

How are things around here?
Has the gay Jamaican been around?

Looks like Cheshire for us. In the works.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50041 Mar 11, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Always the voice of reason!
How are things around here?
Has the gay Jamaican been around?
Looks like Cheshire for us. In the works.
The gay jamaican appears to be on the run these days. Maybe he got himself into some trouble.

Cheshire! Decent choice.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50043 Mar 11, 2013
ENTROPY, CONSCIOUSNESS, KARMA & REINCARNATION:

1) Entropy is the quantitative measure of disorder in a closed system. The concept comes out of thermodynamics, which deals with the transfer of heat energy in a closed system.

2) Stephen Hawking, the celebrated cosmologist, while elucidating the characteristics of thermodynamic entropy gives an analogy of a garden overgrown with weeds as a result of the gardener quitting his job.

3) This state of disorder in the unattended garden would, Hawking says, only keep increasing with time.

4) In this context, I ask what would be the result if the same gardener returns to his job in the garden or if another gardener is employed? Then, would the disordered garden still remain in a disordered state, or would order be restored in the disordered garden by the old gardener who returns or by the new gardener who is employed? Obviously, order, perhaps, a higher order, would be organized in the garden.

5) The analogy given by Dr Hawking is flawed for the above reason and also since both the gardener and the plants in the garden are open systems and above all they're sentient entities that function far away from the state of equilibrium and go through various ups and downs in their matter, energy and consciousness exchanges with their surroundings that would be determined by their innate capacities and the way they utilize these until their respective bodies break down due to wear and tear or accidents or poisoning causing their innate consciousnesses and energies to quit their bodies.

6) While the mortal remains of the dead gardener and the plants would over time disintegrate into the earth elements where they could be recycled via biogeochemical processes, the disembodied consciousnesses and energies of the gardener and plants would vibrate according to their resultant information contents that in turn would be determined by the manner in which the encoded information in each of these entities had been used during the life cycle of the respective entities to carry out their respective functions or life processes with the causal mechanisms of the higher sentient entity - the gardener - being far more complex than the rudimentary life functions undertaken by the plants during their respective life spans.

7) The information - capacities of consciousness and energy determined by heredity and degree of evolution of the capacities - in the gardener and the plants would be mutated or moulded over the years by the karma of the gardener as well as by that of the plants and as such would be in a more ordered or a more disordered state than in their original condition to begin with at the commencement of the life cycle of the gardener and the plants. It stands to reason that the disembodied consciousnesses and energies of the dead entities would, like everything else in nature and in keeping with the causal laws of affinity, be recyled through other systems or by merging with the consciousness-energy fields of the embryos of those organisms best suited to the degree of evolution attained to by the respective entities (gardener and plants).

8) This resultant state of consciousness and energy, at the end of their respective life spans, attained to by the gardener and the plants would depend on the quality of the information inherited via heredity and the manner in which they've employed their inherent information contents as seen in the working of their capacities.

9) So, sentient systems function in a complex manner when compared to other systems like stone, gas, liquid and the like where the innate information content, in terms of the suppressed consciousness and energy content, is elemementary and more mechanical in functioning in a limited and a rigid manner.

10) Sentience moulds matter and matter moulds the indwelling sentience. The degree of sentience manifested in the individual would determine how it acts on its material form and on its surroundings.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50045 Mar 11, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
The gay jamaican appears to be on the run these days. Maybe he got himself into some trouble.
Cheshire! Decent choice.
you are ALWAYS a "funny" fellow.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50047 Mar 11, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Shut up, fool.
I am not Frijoles, Eric or MUQ, who'll bypass the main arguments for lack of deep and meaningful insights into the causal mechanisms of the various forces and phenomena. Or, they may agree with you and concur on certain points with the lowly teachings of stupid scriptures like Tanakh, NT or Quran, as the case may be.
If you enter into a serious debate with me, you're up against a very different person who has the capacity to blow all your silly arguments and your inflated ego to bits and in the process your heros from the Tanakh and NT will be shown as dumb fu-cks and their teachings aimed at retards and animals.
Get the hell out of here, assho-le.
Hugh - My suggestion to you dear is, get OUT of your low ass.

Joel--Shut up, fool.

Hugh--- You seem agitated, dear. Is it because you are averse to getting OUT of that thing?

Joel---I am not Frijoles, Eric or MUQ, who'll bypass the main arguments for lack of deep and meaningful insights into the causal mechanisms of the various forces and phenomena. Or, they may agree with you and concur on certain points with the lowly teachings of stupid scriptures like Tanakh, NT or Quran, as the case may be.

HughBe--- I know that you are not FEM. Calm down.

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