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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#44088 Nov 27, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Pick one,are you American or Jewish
I am Yankee
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44089 Nov 27, 2012
Eric wrote:
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I love the double standard. I ask for proof (actually I asked for you to inform me because I was willing to learn) and you tell me to do it myself.
You, on the other hand, when I state that the Christians killed the indigenous population since you failed to support your original position, tell me that I must prove the negative to you.
Eric---you tell me to do it myself

HughBe--- nothing new, there.

Eric--You, on the other hand, when I state that the Christians killed the indigenous population since you failed to support your original position, tell me that I must prove the negative to you

HughBe--- I believe that those killed and history were more preoccupied with the RELIGIOUS aspects of those involved than in their race.

The research can be done.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44090 Nov 27, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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that pretty much sums you up
Are YOU an American or an Israeli?

Pick one,in keeping with your standard.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44091 Nov 27, 2012
former res wrote:
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Poppycock.
If Jesus is your messiah, you are by definition, Christian.
End of story.
It's like if you enjoy showering with other men,
you are by definition, gay.
Hopefully you can come to terms with both of these issues.
I'll be here if you need moral support.
Cocks man, I am waiting on you. Tell me how beliefs CANCEL a person Jewish DNA.

Tell me, did Jews existed before they got Judaism.

If Jews existed before Judaism reconcile your poppycock release with those facts of history and SCIENTIFIC reality.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44092 Nov 27, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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I am Yankee
So, am I to understand that you live in America but you are NOT an American?

Should I be surprised?

Are you an Israeli?

select one.
former res

Broomall, PA

#44093 Nov 27, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Whose definition? How does that take away from your Jewish DNA?
tell me dear.
So you aren't arguing the gay thing?

That's good that you've come to terms with it.

Jewish DNA would remain, just not the relgion.

They do not believe in Christ as Messiah.

You know that.
former res

Broomall, PA

#44094 Nov 27, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Cocks man, I am waiting on you. Tell me how beliefs CANCEL a person Jewish DNA.
Tell me, did Jews existed before they got Judaism.
If Jews existed before Judaism reconcile your poppycock release with those facts of history and SCIENTIFIC reality.
Do you know the difference between ones ethnic heritage
and his religion?

Two different things.

Sammy Davis Junior converted to Judaism but he sure didn't look like Woody Allen - did he?

You get it?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44095 Nov 27, 2012
former res wrote:
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So you aren't arguing the gay thing?
That's good that you've come to terms with it.
Jewish DNA would remain, just not the relgion.
They do not believe in Christ as Messiah.
You know that.
Former---They do not believe in Christ as Messiah.

HughBe--- poppycock. You just said that the DNA would remain, so they are JEWS. Apart from that, JEWS started Christianity. Get it?

Tell me, what makes a convert to the RELIGION Judaism a JEW? Is it the DNA? What is DNA?

STOP the LIE that Jews don't believe in Christ. This is BS taught by the overlords who enslave the MINDS and MONOPOLIZE the lives of the Jewish people. Eric the Jew sister believes in Jesus, the ONLY Messiah.

Which fellow can take away her identity?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44096 Nov 27, 2012
former res wrote:
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Do you know the difference between ones ethnic heritage
and his religion?
Two different things.
Sammy Davis Junior converted to Judaism but he sure didn't look like Woody Allen - did he?
You get it?
I know EVIL when I see it and it is EVIL to say that Jews cannot be Christians.

I KNOW that JEWS existed for hundreds of years BEFORE they Got Judaism. If you KNEW this and understood it YOU would not pursue the BS that you are talking.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44097 Nov 27, 2012
former res wrote:
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Do you know the difference between ones ethnic heritage
and his religion?
Two different things.
Sammy Davis Junior converted to Judaism but he sure didn't look like Woody Allen - did he?
You get it?
STUDY this and UNDERSTAND that GOD Almighty called them JEWS even when they REJECTED Him and served idols. Pay attention to the very start i.e. "The word came to the JEWS"

I shall be quoting from the Complete Jewish Bible and the passages are taken from Jeremiah 44.

Bible---The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the JEWS dwelling in the land of Egypt,

HughBe--- The word came to the JEWS.

Bible--So said the Lord of Hosts, the God of ISRAEL

HughBe--- God cannot be a God of ISRAEL if Israel does not exist.

Bible--- because of their evil, which they did to provoke Me, to go to burn incense to worship OTHER gods, which they did not know,[neither did] you nor your forefathers.

HughBe--- Context is IDOLATRY

Bible--- And I sent to you ALL My servants the prophets, sending them betimes, saying: Now do not do this abominable thing which I hate.

5. But they did NOT hearken, nor did they incline their ear[s] to repent of their evil, not to burn incense to other gods.

HughBe--- God pleaded with them and the words speak of an extended period of time.

Bible-- And now, so said the Lord God of Hosts, the God of ISRAEL Why do you do this great evil to your souls, to cut off from you man and woman, child and suckling from the midst of Judah, not to leave over a remnant for yourselves,

HughBe--- Note, He is the God of ISRAEL in a context of IDOLATRY. If God did NOT regard IDOLATROUS Israel as Israel then He would not call Himself the God of Israel. Clear? surely yes.

Bible-- They were not crushed until this day, and they did not fear, and they did NOT WALK in My Law and in My statutes that I placed before you and before your forefathers.

HughBe--- Yet God called them ISRAEL and JEWS although they did NOT walk in His LAWS.

Bible--15. And ALL the men who knew that their wives burned incense to other gods and ALL the women standing [in] a great assembly, and ALL the people dwelling in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,

16. "The word that you spoke to us in the name of the Lord, we will NOT hearken to you.

HughBe--- The JEWS rejected God and His prophets but God did NOT strip them of their JEWISH IDENTITY.

Ask yourself this, how can the god-men of Judaism do differently? How can they strip you of your JEWISH identity. The fact is they cannot.

Bible--- But we will do everything that has emanated from our mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and to pour libations to her, as we did, we, our forefathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, and we were sated with bread, and we were well, and we saw no evil

HughBe--- Word of God came to these people and yet God called them JEWS.

Free yourselves. I have proven that religion does not make YOU a JEW. Here is more proof.

Israel existed long long before God gave them the LAW and so the LAW of God or god-men does NOT make you a JEW.

To Former, awake out of your sleep and world of make-belief. A Jew is a Jew regardless of what he or she believes. Any doctrine contrary to this is SATANIC and evil.
Eric

Sugar Grove, IL

#44098 Nov 27, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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The research can be done.
Then do it. Don't ask me to prove anything if that's your attitude.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#44099 Nov 27, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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I was more talking about USA (I knew you would be slow at the uptake, Celtic Pagan Priests are not known for their high IQ s). USA for most of its history of 200 years has also been following "false gods" (as per your Celtic pagan standards)
Silly child, the USA is a secular nation. While many of the people in it follow follow a false god (either Jesus or Mohammud) the "nation" does not worship any God at all.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44100 Nov 27, 2012
I shall be taking a break, now.
Eric

Sugar Grove, IL

#44101 Nov 27, 2012
HughBe wrote:
I shall be taking a break, now.
Don't let the door hit you in the tush on the way out. It would cause you to expel more of the drek that you have been spewing.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#44102 Nov 27, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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No Rabbee I did not know and I would not be surprised given that the Israelites who left Egypt were AFRICANS. They were born in Africa and as a people lived there for hundreds of years.
It is an INCONVIENT fact for some but they will have to "CORRECT" this aspect of history.
rabbee: well it does not say, who all the multitudes were that left egypt. but most certainly by then, they were all egyptian - african born.

but do not believe that, was the emphasis for the lessons. since i believe the lessons, were about how true they were or were-not. and the effects of this, true or not true relationship as seen by G-D.

since to me, it is not a matter of where anyone is born. but is a matter of how true, or not true to G-D all are. i think it is wrong, to judge any one by race creed, color, wealth or non-wealth.

i only have, the one standard to go by: whether you are true or not true to G-D here in TheStory of Creation. and everyone and thing i judge, is to be only by the one standard. i don't even want to get into, comparing one against the other.

using one corrupt standard, to judge another corrupted standard is wronfull hyprocricy. this story is not about, how true i am to any of you or your grandmother of all. it is about how true, to G-D i or anyone else can be.

not what i or anyone else wants from me, but for what G-D wants for me. i do not want to please the world any more, i only want to please G-D. which has proven to be, far less difficult. than trying fit, into this insane world.

the world shall always fail, trying to please each other. as it is impossible, to please everyone with the devils. this way all my energy, is devoted to pleasing G-D. even though i am only, half the jesus* i used to be. cause the other half, ran away.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#44103 Nov 27, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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Silly child, the USA is a secular nation. While many of the people in it follow follow a false god (either Jesus or Mohammud) the "nation" does not worship any God at all.
rabbee: for over 150 years, that was not true. you are only talking about, recient developments. as the government has established their religion of the subtle beasts, against G-D. which is in violation, of the us constitution.

the term freedom of religion in the constitution, is not meant to protect the G-Dless or the pretend g-dly. your personal history of, this nation is flawed. and simply, not true.

and i seriously doubt you have, read the preamble of your state or commonwealths constitution, more or less the us constitution or any other state. so don't tell me this used to be, a secular nation from concieption for about the next 200 years. or that it was ever intended, by the forefathers to become a secular nation.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#44104 Nov 27, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: for over 150 years, that was not true. you are only talking about, recient developments. as the government has established their religion of the subtle beasts, against G-D. which is in violation, of the us constitution.
the term freedom of religion in the constitution, is not meant to protect the G-Dless or the pretend g-dly. your personal history of, this nation is flawed. and simply, not true.
and i seriously doubt you have, read the preamble of your state or commonwealths constitution, more or less the us constitution or any other state. so don't tell me this used to be, a secular nation from concieption for about the next 200 years. or that it was ever intended, by the forefathers to become a secular nation.
Well, if you really want to know the truth, America was in fact founded as a PAGAN nation. Here is the proof:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/pagan.htm

To quote one small part of the site...
Note also that the Declaration says, "their Creator," not "our Creator." This implies that everyone has a unique creator instead of a universal "our" creator (A Judeo-christian god). "Their Creator" could mean several things. It could mean a personal pagan god (as often seen in pagan societies who's members worship their own personal god). It could mean their parents, who provided them with their life, rights, and their ability to achieve happiness. It could also mean whatever natural or physical laws created them. "Their Creator" implies everything but a Judeo-christian god.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#44105 Nov 27, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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Well, if you really want to know the truth, America was in fact founded as a PAGAN nation. Here is the proof:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/pagan.htm
To quote one small part of the site...
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rabbee: sorry the the word Creator, is singular not plural. sorry to hear about your, word and comprehension difficulties. cause it definitly, does not say their creators. your alleged proof, is ficticious and filled with fantacy thinking...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom.

now try to weasel out of that one. and all of the rest of the states are very simular. with the commonweath of virgina, being radically different. because it, actually mentions jesus christ. which would be, even harder to ignore.

now do you really, want me to list all of the preambles to every state and commonwealth. for you to try and denounce, this nation and every state and commonwealth is based on G-D.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#44106 Nov 27, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: sorry the the word Creator, is singular not plural. sorry to hear about your, word and comprehension difficulties. cause it definitly, does not say their creators. your alleged proof, is ficticious and filled with fantacy thinking...
And this is exactly why I have to constantly tell the xians that they need to read things IN CONTEXT. Did you actually go and read the web site, or just the little excerpt that I posted? The excerpt is not the totality of the argument. But then, neither does your counter hold any water. As it stated, it can just as legitimately refer to an individual Pagan God, different for each group of people as to any one over all Deity.
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom.
now try to weasel out of that one. and all of the rest of the states are very simular. with the commonweath of virgina, being radically different. because it, actually mentions jesus christ. which would be, even harder to ignore.
now do you really, want me to list all of the preambles to every state and commonwealth. for you to try and denounce, this nation and every state and commonwealth is based on G-D.
Yes, they were all written by fallible humans, prone to the hubris of assuming that their way was the only way. If we wander through the constitutions of various Mideastern countries, we would see references to Allah, but that still doesn't make Islam true.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#44107 Nov 27, 2012
Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution.
Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land…
Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution…
Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government…
California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom.
Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe.
Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.
Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.
Florida 1885, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution…
Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution…
Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance…establish this Constitution.
Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.
Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of government.
Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our…dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings establish this Constitution
Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.
Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties…
Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of…the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction.
Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty…
Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe…in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction…
Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution
Minnesota 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:
Mississippi1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

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