Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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#10 Jun 21, 2008
Stephanie Weil wrote:
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That would be impinging on constitutional freedom of speech. The United States is not Israel (thank God)! As long as people don't get physical, nobody should be prevented from preaching.
In this case, the "Messianic Jews" weren't the ones who got physical. It was whoever was that sent that booby-trap to this family's house. There was no need for that.
Disclaimer: I don't like religious proselytizing, however I respect the right of another person to spread their "word". I wouldn't want my rights to be trampled on either.
Of course, in Saudi Arabia -- you can get the death penalty for "preaching" anything except Islam.

Jews don't preach -- we don't go knocking on people's doors and asking them if who they pray to or how they do it.

Most of us find it offensive and impolite.

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Wilacre Park, CA

#12 Jun 21, 2008
Hmmm
Stephanie Weil

Jersey City, NJ

#15 Jun 21, 2008
Rick Moss wrote:
Jews don't preach -- we don't go knocking on people's doors and asking them if who they pray to or how they do it.
Most of us find it offensive and impolite.
Yes, it can be offensive, aggravating and impolite; but we also shouldn't be PREVENTING others from doing it.

In this country, there is constitutional right to free speech - as long as it's done peacefully. And it is also my right to ignore proselytizers - and if they knock on my door - to politely tell them that I'm not interested.

I wouldn't like it if some Christian group tried to..say...shut down the Lubavitcher's Mitzvah Campaigns - which technically involves Orthodox Jews trying to get less-observant Jews to take part in certain Orthodoz Jewish pratices.

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IamJoseph

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#21 Jun 21, 2008
Israel is being attacked from every possible angle - and this is an evil scenario, embellished with a false saving grace. There should be one small place on the planet where jews can be free to pursue their own beliefs, and this must be respected by insecure christians and muslims, who have a problem respecting Jews as Jews, and Israel as Israel.

Pushing Jews into the sea, in the name of the NT or Quran, is the same as any other form of genicide. Have the jews not paid a great price to remain Jews? The truth is, America was founded by Jews [Columbus and all his mapsters were Jews], as a refuge for many - but also to save Christianity - from Europe. This is what Jews escaped from:

'BETTER TO DESTROY THEIR BODIES AND SAVE THEIR SOULS'- Isabela of Spain.

Thanks but no thanks. Please stop saving Jews.

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Slow Dance Chubby

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#23 Jun 21, 2008
That's funny, when the faithful try to get me in the Mitzvah van I say, "no thanks", and keep walking.

It's happened a few times and I'm not even Jewish.

Was I being oppressed?
History Guy

Bronx, NY

#25 Jun 21, 2008
Christianity is a religion that sprung from the schism in Judaism after the followers of Jesus of Nazareth began to say He was the Messiah. But it wasn't until the 4th Century when Rome accepted Christianity as a religion that the final separation was made.
Are the Messianic Jews Christians? Are they followers of the Church in Rome or one of the many Protestant sects? Why are they not like the Jews of the 1st Century who accept Jesus as the Messiah? Those Jews were not Christians, they were Jews who practiced Judaism.
Oh this religion stuff just makes people angry, is it all worth the fighting?

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Life

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#27 Jun 21, 2008
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It is a sign of our times. Muslims are the most violent people on earth. They are expecially hateful towards women. It stands to reason it was a muslim who sent the bomb. I really dont get why jews would ever want to hurt Christians. Christians love Jews and pray every sunday for the peace of Israel. But Christians can also be blowhards and pompus and that can get on ones nerves, but to hurt one "just because" makes no sense. I think it is battle fatigue in Israel because of the constant vigilance they must keep due to the never ending violence from their pitbull muslim populous that has taken its toll and some people are just over reacting. I will rejoice with all of Israel the day that cursed gold dome is removed from Gods holy place and Isael can live in peace.
Clearly you do not speak for God or anyone other than yourself.As Gods unworthy son I don't appreciate it one bit. Muslims by in large are a nobel principled people as are jews.

If you want to look at a violent people look at Marxist,where violence is always justifiable as a means to an end. Look at the suffering and death caused at the hand of Mao, Stallin,Castro,Kim Ill Sung and so on.

If you want to speak about the mistreatment of women look no further than the US. You think the Porn industry born in the US is respectful to women? Or even holloywood for that matter. And as for what US christianity has become, there are so called Christian Churches that marry Homosexuals and how utterly unprincipled is that. Look in the mirror and correct your own house and perhaps you will be lead to a higher plain of understanding.

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#30 Jun 21, 2008
History Guy wrote:
Christianity is a religion that sprung from the schism in Judaism after the followers of Jesus of Nazareth began to say He was the Messiah. But it wasn't until the 4th Century when Rome accepted Christianity as a religion that the final separation was made.
Are the Messianic Jews Christians? Are they followers of the Church in Rome or one of the many Protestant sects? Why are they not like the Jews of the 1st Century who accept Jesus as the Messiah? Those Jews were not Christians, they were Jews who practiced Judaism.
Oh this religion stuff just makes people angry, is it all worth the fighting?
Correct. Messianic Jews do not follow the pagan customs of rome but follow the Torah, as Jesus commanded.

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#33 Jun 21, 2008
MiddleWay wrote:
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Correct. Messianic Jews do not follow the pagan customs of rome but follow the Torah, as Jesus commanded.
Funny -- I'm almost SURE the Torah says there's only ONE G-d.

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#34 Jun 21, 2008
Stephanie Weil wrote:
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That would be impinging on constitutional freedom of speech. The United States is not Israel (thank God)! As long as people don't get physical, nobody should be prevented from preaching.
In this case, the "Messianic Jews" weren't the ones who got physical. It was whoever was that sent that booby-trap to this family's house. There was no need for that.
Disclaimer: I don't like religious proselytizing, however I respect the right of another person to spread their "word". I wouldn't want my rights to be trampled on either.
How often do proselytizers have to "spread their word" to the same people over and over? I've already heard what they have to say and I'm still not interested.
What I find most annoying about Messianic Jews, is not that they practice Jewish customs (after all, Jesus did), but that they call themselves Jews. Anyone who believes in the divinity of Jesus is no longer a Jew by definition.
God

Chico, CA

#35 Jun 21, 2008
IamJoseph wrote:
Israel is being attacked from every possible angle - and this is an evil scenario, embellished with a false saving grace. There should be one small place on the planet where jews can be free to pursue their own beliefs, and this must be respected by insecure christians and muslims, who have a problem respecting Jews as Jews, and Israel as Israel.
Pushing Jews into the sea, in the name of the NT or Quran, is the same as any other form of genicide. Have the jews not paid a great price to remain Jews? The truth is, America was founded by Jews [Columbus and all his mapsters were Jews], as a refuge for many - but also to save Christianity - from Europe. This is what Jews escaped from:
'BETTER TO DESTROY THEIR BODIES AND SAVE THEIR SOULS'- Isabela of Spain.
Thanks but no thanks. Please stop saving Jews.
I am Jewish. I happen to have tried Christianity. I have not forsaken my own heritage.I thought the Christians were very nice, but annoying.
J of PA

Allentown, PA

#42 Jun 21, 2008
God wrote:
It is a sign of our times. Muslims are the most violent people on earth. They are expecially hateful towards women. It stands to reason it was a muslim who sent the bomb. I really dont get why jews would ever want to hurt Christians. Christians love Jews and pray every sunday for the peace of Israel. But Christians can also be blowhards and pompus and that can get on ones nerves, but to hurt one "just because" makes no sense. I think it is battle fatigue in Israel because of the constant vigilance they must keep due to the never ending violence from their pitbull muslim populous that has taken its toll and some people are just over reacting. I will rejoice with all of Israel the day that cursed gold dome is removed from Gods holy place and Isael can live in peace.
You might be right, but you cannot rule out the possibility that someone or a group of the Jewish faith targeted that family because they are Messianic Jews. There are some Israelis [groups] who are prone to violence, and we are seeing it on the news now.
God

Chico, CA

#47 Jun 21, 2008
Life wrote:
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Clearly you do not speak for God or anyone other than yourself.As Gods unworthy son I don't appreciate it one bit. Muslims by in large are a nobel principled people as are jews.
If you want to look at a violent people look at Marxist,where violence is always justifiable as a means to an end. Look at the suffering and death caused at the hand of Mao, Stallin,Castro,Kim Ill Sung and so on.
If you want to speak about the mistreatment of women look no further than the US. You think the Porn industry born in the US is respectful to women? Or even holloywood for that matter. And as for what US christianity has become, there are so called Christian Churches that marry Homosexuals and how utterly unprincipled is that. Look in the mirror and correct your own house and perhaps you will be lead to a higher plain of understanding.
You clearly have not read my previous posts, and no I dont need to learn how to spell. I am my own God and this is my realm and I can spell any way I please. I never once claimed to be the real GOD. I am my own God. I happen to believe muslims are the most war like and violent people ever to come out of man expecially to women. Muhammad stated he thought most women were evil and in a vision he saw most of them in hell. Muslims are most apt to use bombs. Not that jews wouldnt, but muslims do as a matter of practice. The fact that muhammad (the monster) took little 9 year old Aisha as a wife pretty much tells who he is and what he is. His bragging of the rape of the jewish woman after killing her husband just says he was even more dispicable. Yes Marxism and lefty thinking is harmful, but nothing destroys or harms more then Islam. It is the beast.

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#49 Jun 21, 2008
Miami Vice wrote:
What the hell is a mesonic jew. how may kinds of jews are there. I always thought there was one. incidentally is there a jew god.that punishes jews If they eat non-koosher food. what a croc!
Types of Jews
Orthodox
Conservative
Reform
I do not consider Messies J E W S.
God

Chico, CA

#50 Jun 22, 2008
Lady Day wrote:
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Types of Jews
Orthodox
Conservative
Reform
I do not consider Messies J E W S.
Ok Lady Day. What ever you say. But since when was it up to you to tell a person what their own heritage is? Your are born with one thing and can choose the other. But peace out girl.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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The Mountain Empire

#53 Jun 22, 2008
Rick Moss wrote:
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Funny -- I'm almost SURE the Torah says there's only ONE G-d.
One God?

By which name? Jehovah? Elohim? YHVH?

Perhaps you missed the prophets speaking of a Messiah?

I am a KARAITE who believes Jeshua is the Messiah.

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The Mountain Empire

#54 Jun 22, 2008
Barbara wrote:
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How often do proselytizers have to "spread their word" to the same people over and over? I've already heard what they have to say and I'm still not interested.
What I find most annoying about Messianic Jews, is not that they practice Jewish customs (after all, Jesus did), but that they call themselves Jews. Anyone who believes in the divinity of Jesus is no longer a Jew by definition.
False.

Christianity has thrown Judaism out. Jesus taught we must observe the Torah, not the paganized pretend christian 'holydays'.

My DNA still says JEW...

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#55 Jun 22, 2008
Miami Vice wrote:
What the hell is a mesonic jew. how may kinds of jews are there. I always thought there was one. incidentally is there a jew god.that punishes jews If they eat non-koosher food. what a croc!
Orthodox
reformed
Karaite
Messianic
etc
etc
etc

such uneducated people....

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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#56 Jun 22, 2008
God wrote:
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It is a Jewish person who has converted to Christianity
Nope, the Sabbath is still Friday eve.

I don't celbrate Jesus resurection with bunnies and candy and a fertility goddess.

I don't celbrate 'christmas' as it's a pagan solstice celebration.

I don't 'eat' Jesus.

I celebrate Shabbat, as Jesus did.

Hmmmmmm, whom sounds closer to the teaching of Jesus??

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Kin

Hollywood, FL

#58 Jun 22, 2008
Messianic Jews are probably the only true friends that Israel has. The Muslims want to destroy Israel, the Christians want to do away with Jewish culture and adopt the pagan, gentile ways of Rome/Greece. Messianic Jews provide a myriad of services to the people of Israel (feeding/clothing the poor, healthcare, drug rehab etc.) and even serve in the IDF. And they are far more patriotic than those Israelis who feel that they can achieve peace by giving the Land away to the Arabs.

The time is coming when Israel will reach out to Messianics, albeit, it will be after Israel has been battered on all sides. Messianic Jews are not Israel's enemies. Too bad the Orthodox establishment in Israel are too blind to see this.

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