It's not about whether they're already in place and have become part of the landscape now or not.<quoted text>
And where would we be without either??? Why only when we get a Democratic president do all of you on the right get brain farts? Where were you when the two dictators Bush-Cheney were costing us trillions with their zillion lies and it's still adding up. Your positions on ever thing are very obvious to all but you it seems. Besides don't all you christians believe that all that happens is your Gods will...Or is it just those things that you approve of?
It's about the government mismanaging SS and Medicare to the point where it is now unsustainable.
What could possibly make you think Obamacare is going to be any different than the problems with the Post Office and the long waits at the DMV?
Or that the government can manage our health care any better than SS and Medicare?