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TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#816913 Dec 5, 2012
PDUPONT wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually stupid, the Making Work Pay Tax Credit was a major part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 and did put extra money into workers pockets.
Do you honestly think that your "creative" spelling makes you look clever? It doesn't it makes you look like your intellectual development stalled at fourteen years old.
And that flipping miniscule, almost myopic reduction is part of what you idiots want to repeal no doubt.

Since: May 11

Loysville, PA

#816914 Dec 5, 2012
carol wrote:
<quoted text>
So are you saying you, too, like RealDave, believe Obama and the health care monstrosity won't cost the taxpayers one thin dime?
Because that's the journey to which I was referring. Of course, RealDave believes it's already paid for.
Please tell me you've gone further than that.
Look Carol,

The ACA is paid for through a series of taxes & savings.

Some tax payers will pay some of these taxes & some will not be affected. For example, a tax was added to investment income over a certain threshold.

The point I am making is that this bill does not add to the debt.

Part D was passed by Republicans with about 80% of it adding to the deficit.

Tax payers pay for everything the government does. So running in circles screaming how the ACA is costing taxpayers money is extremely stupid. The added costs due to the ACA are funded.
Nj raider 1

United States

#816915 Dec 5, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
<quoted text>
THIEVERY==NOTHING BUT MORE THIEVERY OFF the WORKING class peoples backs!!!!!!!!!!
SHAMEFUL
(and SPARE us Your zealot FREAKISH extremist hate of religion-it has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING economically!!!)
1st of all I dont hate religion! I'm the son of a preacher who was the son of a preacher & not only probably know more about the bible than you. The problem is you say 1 has nothing to do with the other which it shouldn't, but you right wingers tend to call Obama muslim. & if he was then what? Freedom of religion yet ya'll panic in the wake of something you don't understand. I could care less if he was muslim. He's proven hew is here to do the will of the people. & don't sit here & act like you & your brethren don't try to link President Obama & the end time prophecies. Ya'll dont call him the antichrist & everything. Boy Messiah, what more proof do I need? & again show me some proof & not right wing journalism that proves that obamacare is bad for the middle & lower classes!
Homer

Effort, PA

#816916 Dec 5, 2012
Tenzing wrote:
I have to uncomfortably share this with the group:
"Put more simply, this theory asserts that conservatives are less likely than liberals to engage in cognitive reflection and effortful systematic reasoning. Consequently, while liberals evaluate information with the aim of developing useful public policies, fearful, mule-stubborn conservatives will dismiss discomforting scientific facts and spend their time just “standing athwart history yelling stop.”
http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/04/often-w...
"standing athwart history yelling stop."
That's brilliant.
Its discomforting because I'm as guilty of this as Carol et. al. are guilty of the above:
"The third theory investigated in this study is what Kahan calls the expressive rationality thesis. In this case, beliefs about issues like the riskiness of climate change or nuclear power constitute part of what it means for people to belong to specific groups. Shared beliefs form part of their identities. People assess new information so that their conclusions signal their trustworthiness and loyalty to social groups with which they identify and to which they wish to be connected. The upshot is that people go along in order to get along with members of the social groups that they believe will benefit them."
I'm guilty of finding a libertarian rationale against just about anything the right holds dear.
Go ahead, try me ;-)
Bah, Homer could have written this report using the subjects and data within this thread. Did this guy get paid to write this?
Homer

Effort, PA

#816917 Dec 5, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
<quoted text>
Obamacare i it's current form= THEIVERY-TAX AND FINE AND Screw some more-- the Uninsured, brokeback lower wage WORKING classes.
SHAMEFUL!!!!!!!!!!
I've never seen someone slip off the edge of sanity right before my eyes, Homer is intrigued by this.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#816918 Dec 5, 2012
PDUPONT wrote:
<quoted text>
What handouts you goddamned liar? Aid to education? Access to healthcare? Safe and efficient infrastructure? You know, all the things that make a country strong.
Romney however wanted to give handouts to the rich by cutting taxes on investment income and eliminating the estate tax that only affects only estates in excess of $5.1 million.
You're an idiot.
Adn wy in fuhell would ones like you want to cut the previous tax credits?????????/ Talk about STUPID.

CAP and CURB credits-along with entitleMENTS of the UNEARNED kind as well!!!!!!!!!!

And quit wasting time and dollars on USELESS, already tried energy DEFUNCTED businesses-and get BACK to what WORKS.

LESS EPA stangulation and/or MORE subsidizing what is proven to WORK (NOT FAIL) and MORE EYES on human killing bacteria WAY too much big PHARMA of way too LITTLE regulations!

SHAMEFUL!!!!!!!!!!
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#816919 Dec 5, 2012
Homer wrote:
<quoted text>Bah, Homer could have written this report using the subjects and data within this thread. Did this guy get paid to write this?
Man I gotza a few bills fer yew too if THAT's the case Homer LOL.

(and dayum-- by the time yew pay me interest lol.....)
child of god

Coshocton, OH

#816920 Dec 5, 2012
Obama supports
The killing of children
Deviant sex
Slavery
Theft
And all that is moral.
Obama is antichrist

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#816921 Dec 5, 2012
Tenzing wrote:
I have to uncomfortably share this with the group:
"Put more simply, this theory asserts that conservatives are less likely than liberals to engage in cognitive reflection and effortful systematic reasoning. Consequently, while liberals evaluate information with the aim of developing useful public policies, fearful, mule-stubborn conservatives will dismiss discomforting scientific facts and spend their time just “standing athwart history yelling stop.”
http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/04/often-w...
"standing athwart history yelling stop."
That's brilliant.
Its discomforting because I'm as guilty of this as Carol et. al. are guilty of the above:
"The third theory investigated in this study is what Kahan calls the expressive rationality thesis. In this case, beliefs about issues like the riskiness of climate change or nuclear power constitute part of what it means for people to belong to specific groups. Shared beliefs form part of their identities. People assess new information so that their conclusions signal their trustworthiness and loyalty to social groups with which they identify and to which they wish to be connected. The upshot is that people go along in order to get along with members of the social groups that they believe will benefit them."
I'm guilty of finding a libertarian rationale against just about anything the right holds dear.
Go ahead, try me ;-)
Where did this screed originate? Something Leo penned in her spare time. Between indoctrinating her young charges with the one-for-all and all for one philosophy?
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#816922 Dec 5, 2012
Nj raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> 1st of all I dont hate religion! I'm the son of a preacher who was the son of a preacher & not only probably know more about the bible than you. The problem is you say 1 has nothing to do with the other which it shouldn't, but you right wingers tend to call Obama muslim. & if he was then what? Freedom of religion yet ya'll panic in the wake of something you don't understand. I could care less if he was muslim. He's proven hew is here to do the will of the people. & don't sit here & act like you & your brethren don't try to link President Obama & the end time prophecies. Ya'll dont call him the antichrist & everything. Boy Messiah, what more proof do I need? & again show me some proof & not right wing journalism that proves that obamacare is bad for the middle & lower classes!
You haven't seen me label him anything...because voting for a POTUS is NOT voting for a preacher (unlike SOME of the freakish dolts that cannot fathom that here in the US, people CAN and DO seperate their religious affiliations from their work related ones)

He's just another Hienz 57 stater, who apparently does not see the rational or logic in showing educational records for SOME reason or another (ESPECIALLY if anyone started college at 16) in my book.

Now, when want to switch gears from the LAMEbrainless modes of just mere phat crayon kindergarten level personal assaults on people, to discussing on higher thinking levels, ISSUES, such as the economy, FOREIGN POLICY and the likes, do feel free to chime in.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#816923 Dec 5, 2012
Homer wrote:
<quoted text>I've never seen someone slip off the edge of sanity right before my eyes, Homer is intrigued by this.
I know, genuineness, rather than political suck and pander, is a RARE thing now a days.

Trust me Homer, I (and ones like myself) pay the price for being truly DECENT, Moral and ethical every day.

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#816924 Dec 5, 2012
Tenzing wrote:
I have to uncomfortably share this with the group:
"Put more simply, this theory asserts that conservatives are less likely than liberals to engage in cognitive reflection and effortful systematic reasoning. Consequently, while liberals evaluate information with the aim of developing useful public policies, fearful, mule-stubborn conservatives will dismiss discomforting scientific facts and spend their time just “standing athwart history yelling stop.”
http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/04/often-w...
"standing athwart history yelling stop."
That's brilliant.
Its discomforting because I'm as guilty of this as Carol et. al. are guilty of the above:
"The third theory investigated in this study is what Kahan calls the expressive rationality thesis. In this case, beliefs about issues like the riskiness of climate change or nuclear power constitute part of what it means for people to belong to specific groups. Shared beliefs form part of their identities. People assess new information so that their conclusions signal their trustworthiness and loyalty to social groups with which they identify and to which they wish to be connected. The upshot is that people go along in order to get along with members of the social groups that they believe will benefit them."
I'm guilty of finding a libertarian rationale against just about anything the right holds dear.
Go ahead, try me ;-)
Ha!

Redemption (from the above article):

"Kahan notes in passing that social psychological research has found that political independents and libertarians score better on the cognitive reflection than do liberals or conservatives "
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#816925 Dec 5, 2012
RealDave wrote:
<quoted text>
Look Carol,
The ACA is paid for through a series of taxes & savings.
Some tax payers will pay some of these taxes & some will not be affected. For example, a tax was added to investment income over a certain threshold.
The point I am making is that this bill does not add to the debt.
Part D was passed by Republicans with about 80% of it adding to the deficit.
Tax payers pay for everything the government does. So running in circles screaming how the ACA is costing taxpayers money is extremely stupid. The added costs due to the ACA are funded.
Duh A Vey-

STUPId are the ones that are so damn ignorant, tey have no CLUE, that SOMe people CONTRIBUTE EXTRA each month-- to programs like the above mentioned--and that any benfits incurred from doing such are NOT "FWEE"--they are PAID for via monthly CONTRIBUTION.

THAT is STUPID (and IGNORANT).

and Carol is NOT one of those--living in UNREALITY.

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#816926 Dec 5, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
<quoted text>
It's MORE robbing via TAXATION the already UNISURED/beleagured lower wage working classes-and it's WRONG-WRONG WRONG WRONG--and they should be ASHAMED of themselves!!!!
CAPPING the flipping givverment programs-ESPECIALLY the WELFARE for fweeriding slackerTICS, would probably SAVE more in REDUCING costs than any amount of taxation in this rotten , OVER burden from freeriding ABUSES economy.
SHAME on them!!
If all you do is regurgitate stupid Fox/GOP talking points don't bother.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#816927 Dec 5, 2012
Homer wrote:
Day 3 of operation Homer Betrayed.
The suspect list has been narrowed down to 2.
One of them shared private information with a 3rd party aka 'The Enemy'.
Once the suspect list is narrowed down to 1 look out.
Oh and good morning jackwagons.
Stop it Homer-or you'll make me laugh...and that will bring out the frothing rabid, dark age, torch and pitch fork welding WITCHes of hypocricy!!

:-)

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#816928 Dec 5, 2012
Lincoln Duncan wrote:
<quoted text>
Middle Class reelected President Obama with popular and electoral vote.
Romney-Ryan in 2016
Not yet.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#816929 Dec 5, 2012
Tenzing wrote:
<quoted text>
If all you do is regurgitate stupid Fox/GOP talking points don't bother.
Pull your head out of LAME, ignore the blahblahblah of boobleheads and background noise--and think for yourself for a change!!

Or is that even possible for parrot squawker blather and repeat dependent ones like you?

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#816930 Dec 5, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
<quoted text>
No, absolutely not--any one that would think that is inept and lacking in the reality realms of thought as well.
Personally, I've never witnessed such direct breaches of the Constitution, as seen in some of antics of the past four years.
The fumes are getting to you. Our history is rife with such violations starting with George Washington's second term and the Whiskey Rebellion. Its just been downhill since through the Civil War and "reconstruction", Cleveland, Wilson, and Nixon setting the military against citizens on home turf all the way up to Obama ordering the assassination of US citizens NOT on home turf without so much as a nod to Due Process.

Y'all need to learn some genyouwine history and such.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#816931 Dec 5, 2012
We are on an end-of-line track with an engineer yelling 'Pour on the coal!''Pour on the coal!' Going to be one hell of a wreck! Too bad it's going to hurt a lot of people. But socialism always does. The 'It won't happen this time because we are smarter than those guys' crowd always think it will work because they are doing it. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#816932 Dec 5, 2012
Tenzing wrote:
<quoted text>
If all you do is regurgitate stupid Fox/GOP talking points don't bother.
Let's see..how many sates opting OUT thus far?

The Supreme Cuurt should get a few good weeks out of the brokeback mule before the half rotten apple barrel cart clustermess-AGAIN-- within the next few months!!!

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