Town To Offer Wilkus Farm Tours

The town will provide free public tours of the Wilkus Farm property Saturday from 10 a.m. to noon. Full Story
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NoVoter

Wethersfield, CT

#1 May 4, 2009
Vote NO for these reasons:

The price is way too high given the town's appraisal and market conditions.

The open space money approved by voters a few years ago would be depleted and other parcels that actually are developable could not be purchased.

Much of the land is unable to be developed and the developable parts would require multiple levels of town, state and federal approval which would be very hard to obtain.

Using state money would restrict usage forever to passive recreation and the town would lose control over the land. Forever is a very long time. Who can predict what uses may be desirable 100 years from now? Why bind the town's hands in perpetuity?

We will lose actual tax dollars currently paid by the owners. The "risk" of development costing the town money is purely theoretical. There is no evidence specific to Wethersfield that if homes were built it would be a net cost to the town exceeding taxes collected. Has anyone crunched Wethersfield numbers or do they just rely on general numbers from who knows what studies? The image of hoards of students crowding into our schools is a scare tactic without basis in facts pertinent to Wethersfield.

Wethersfield has enough trails and passive recreation in Millwoods, the meadows, and Wintergreen Woods. These resources are actually underutilized. Do we really need to pay all that money to assure another place to just traipse around in town?

Wethersfield just can't afford the purchase price right now. Without paying a dime, that land is going to stay largely undeveloped for a very long time in this economy. Why not just negotiate with the owners for a right of first refusal at some later date if actual purchasers who are developers come on to the scene?

Vote NO.
rennie

Newington, CT

#2 May 5, 2009
Vote no. The only people who want this are the ones that live near it. They really don't give a rat's a%# about the issues other than the fact that they don't want any building going on near their houses. What good is a tick infested field which serves no purpose. Develop it and bring in tax money. So what if it brings in a few more kids. Whats next - only sell houses to people who agree not to have children? I don't think the town is in a position to purchase anything with all the talk of layoffs, furloughs, give back of raises cutting services, crumbling roads, no christmas tree pickups etc.
Naysayer

Wethersfield, CT

#3 May 5, 2009
rennie wrote:
Vote no. The only people who want this are the ones that live near it. They really don't give a rat's a%# about the issues other than the fact that they don't want any building going on near their houses. What good is a tick infested field which serves no purpose. Develop it and bring in tax money. So what if it brings in a few more kids. Whats next - only sell houses to people who agree not to have children? I don't think the town is in a position to purchase anything with all the talk of layoffs, furloughs, give back of raises cutting services, crumbling roads, no christmas tree pickups etc.
Yup. And its always the argument that this particular service will only cost $20 or $50 a year, why no more than a cup of coffee a day! Honestly, we just can't afford everything we want. We can barely afford what we actually NEED in town.
Silenced

Glastonbury, CT

#4 May 5, 2009
You know there's something sneaky going on when the Mayor prevents citizens from speaking in Town Council meetings against this issue. Yet he allows the 'Save The Farm'ers to speak for hours on end.
lost

Hartford, CT

#5 May 5, 2009
Vote yes. I don't need to justify my reasoning, sensible folks understand it already.
unsensable

Newington, CT

#6 May 5, 2009
lost wrote:
Vote yes. I don't need to justify my reasoning, sensible folks understand it already.
where do you live-right next to the property?
Reality Check

Hartford, CT

#7 May 5, 2009
rennie wrote:
Vote no. The only people who want this are the ones that live near it. They really don't give a rat's a%# about the issues other than the fact that they don't want any building going on near their houses. What good is a tick infested field which serves no purpose. Develop it and bring in tax money. So what if it brings in a few more kids. Whats next - only sell houses to people who agree not to have children? I don't think the town is in a position to purchase anything with all the talk of layoffs, furloughs, give back of raises cutting services, crumbling roads, no christmas tree pickups etc.
Could be assisted or active senior living?
Signs everywhere

Wethersfield, CT

#8 May 5, 2009
I'd like to congratulate the Wilkus Farm opposition on its lame signs. They pretty say all the public needs to know about your mindset and intellect.

Good luck on the referendum.
what a joke

AOL

#9 May 5, 2009
Before voting on anything ... fix the sidewalk in front of the townhall, get rid of the dead dandilions, throw some grass seed on the mud, do something about the disgusting parking lot in front of the townhall - what an embarrassing eyesoar and how much money/taxes did the town spend on this project?
Reality Check

Hartford, CT

#10 May 5, 2009
I suggest the people who are opposed to this preservation contact the towns people of Canton and see if they are ultimately happy with their twice to referendum vote down of preserving a golf course.
rennie

Newington, CT

#11 May 5, 2009
what a joke wrote:
Before voting on anything ... fix the sidewalk in front of the townhall, get rid of the dead dandilions, throw some grass seed on the mud, do something about the disgusting parking lot in front of the townhall - what an embarrassing eyesoar and how much money/taxes did the town spend on this project?
Also how about the parking lot in back of the town hall, all the cracking roads etc.... Also come pick up my freaking christmas tree.
Signs everywhere

Wethersfield, CT

#12 May 5, 2009
what a joke wrote:
Before voting on anything ... fix the sidewalk in front of the townhall, get rid of the dead dandilions, throw some grass seed on the mud, do something about the disgusting parking lot in front of the townhall - what an embarrassing eyesoar and how much money/taxes did the town spend on this project?
I agree the town hall parking lot and lawn are a mess; I believe they are paving that this summer. But "eyesoar?" You must have proofread the lawn signs.
Reality Check

Hartford, CT

#13 May 5, 2009
rennie wrote:
<quoted text>Also how about the parking lot in back of the town hall, all the cracking roads etc.... Also come pick up my freaking christmas tree.
How about mulching your Christmas Tree? If you still have it at the curb, you should be ashamed of yourself.
rennie

Newington, CT

#14 May 5, 2009
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
How about mulching your Christmas Tree? If you still have it at the curb, you should be ashamed of yourself.
sorry for being elderly. What am i going to mulch it with? My lawnmower?
Reality Check

Hartford, CT

#15 May 5, 2009
rennie wrote:
<quoted text>sorry for being elderly. What am i going to mulch it with? My lawnmower?
Uhm...no but you could rent a piece of equipment from home depot or just cut it up into pieces and put it in your yard.

We don't even have this service in my town!
lost

Hartford, CT

#16 May 6, 2009
unsensable wrote:
<quoted text>where do you live-right next to the property?
Nope, about a half mile away. Oh wait, I guess my views must be invalid due to my proximity. Where does one need to live in order to qualify as an unbiased supporter?

As far as fixing anything near town hall goes, forget it, the money was spent on GRANITE curbs! Talk about a waste!
sammy

Newington, CT

#17 May 7, 2009
Whats passive recreation? Can the town's youth hang out and drink and do drugs? Can we walk around in the tick infested brush? What good is this other than selling it for housing and annoying the people who live around there? It's the old " not in my neighborhood" syndrome, just like the barn at comstock. Heaven forbid they build someting nice there which will add a little traffic to the area.
Spend Wisely

Avon, CT

#18 May 7, 2009
I will be voting no. This does not mean that I am against buying the property at the right price, given current market conditions. What is this price? The Town should invest the money to find out how many lots it will actually approve and determine a fair price when the results are in. I am getting the feeling that the Mayor feels that he can spend the $4 million any way he sees fit and there is no accountability regarding negotiating the best deal for the town.
Remember when the Mayor was shocked that the voters rejected the referendum on purchasing commercial land for redevelopment? This is why I voted no. I didn't want our town overpaying for the Fun Zone property, which was on the market for a couple of million dollars the last time I checked. The Town would have paid the asking price for this property given the chance. The market is telling us that it is overpriced. The market is also telling us that the Wilkus property is overpriced. If it were a good deal for a developer, one would have purchased it regardless of the economic times that we are in at the moment. Some developers still have money and plan ahead. Now is the time to scoop up bargains, not overpriced real estate. We should be paying a bargain price for this property, not top dollar.

How come no one has mentioned that the Wilkus Farm owners fought their own assessment? They thought the town valued their property at too high a price. You can't have it both ways.
For the Save the Farm group, they cannot envision that we will have the opportunity to go back to the bargaining table. Why not?

Who is to blame for the cost of the referendum? The Town Council members who voted to approve the purchase without proper due diligence and then proper negotiation are responsible for this mess. Why rush into spending $3 million without doing all the proper preparation? The $25,000 that is being spent on the referendum could have been better spent on an engineering study and plot plan.

Selling our unlimited use of the property to the State for less than 500K is not prudent. This probably comes out to a couple of dollars per year per household. Let the State keep their money. The loss of State money can be made up with proper due diligence and negotiations.

Have their been any bona fide offers on the property from one or more developers that have the capital to purchase the property?
Spend Wisely

Avon, CT

#19 May 7, 2009
What happens when the next farm comes on the market? Where will the funds come from to buy it? My view on this purchase would be different if it were the last farm left in town. There are others that are much more developable than the Wilkus Farm, that need to be purchased as well. Let's not blow our budget on one property. Now would be a good time to negotiate the purchase of other farmland in town with the same $4 million that has already been approved.

Do you accept the first price that a car dealer presents to you or do you shop around to make sure you are getting a fair deal?

Do you go with the first contractor to give you a price on work at your house or do you get another bid?

Why should the Town accept the information presented by the owners of Wilkus Farm and their paid representative, the Trust For Public Land. Yes, The Trust For Public Land will be paid a commission of sort by the owners. Who is representing the Town of Wethersfield in the negotiation of the purchase price? Really, I don’t know.

The reason I didn’t put my real name is because I have found the “Save the Farm” supporters to not want to listen to the “cost is too high argument” and they can’t believe that a person can be for purchasing the farm, but at the right price. Please open your minds to the possibility that the price is too high and pay depleting our resources will not be able to purchase as much farmland in the future when it becomes available.

The Save the Farm people are better organized than the buy at the right price camp and therefore I think the referendum will pass and we will overpay for the Wilkus Farm and we will not be able to purchase other farm land in the future as a result of this hasty and short-sighted decision.
ricbee

Wallingford, CT

#20 May 7, 2009
Just what Wethersfield needs,another bunch of cows to feed.

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