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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.
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And there are also girls/women who neglected, abused, and even killed their born children, chiefly because they never WANTED a child in the first place.
You're never going to convince me that teen pregnancy/teen motherhood is a good thing for girls, G. It has far too many negative impacts on a girl's life for me to ever say it's a positive thing, so I won't. And I make no apologies for not doing so.
I don't. Believe teen moms are are great thing either moon. In a perfect world all girls would finish school, and either go to college or find a stable job, BUT as you know we don't live in a perfect world. One girl named Stephanie, had been in jail three times, just at 18 yo. Her life was spinning out of control with drugs, sex, etc. She's. Now a proud "tired " mom of a six month old child. Two others -one pregnant at age 15, the other 16, one was out of control, the other was not, but got pregnant by boyfriend. Both are now moms, and know what responsibility is.

We allow our kids to date at young ages today, yet what is the main reasons. For dating?

Anyone who dates very long, will become sexually. Active.
even if a guy or girl holds off an entire year "which most don't. ", that still puts them having sex at a young. Age if they start dating at 14-15.

So no, a 16 yo with a baby isn't. Ideal ocean, but it is better than a 16 yo drug addict, who's. Making horrible choices, becouse they are under the influence of drugs /booze, or whatever.

I also realize women kill their children, and they can if they wish, but I won't. Vote to make that legal either.

I truly believe people can do whatever they want to do, but also believe we must pay for the bad things we do, either here or the ever after.

According to you and others, the newtown shooter inflicted much pain on many others, then simply checked out, and has nothing to pay for, and isn't. In any pain.

From all I've. Read about thing guy, I truly feel more sorrow for him, then those young children he killed, since I. Truly believe they are in Heaven, and he will hear their screams forevermore. He only thought he was checking out, but he was checking into his new life, where he will remain forever.

Abortion doesn't. Fix the problem with these women, but it does add to their problems.
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Teen Motherhood Negatives:
1. Missing school days
2. Falling behind in school work
3. Losing sleep at night, for MANY nights
4. Worrying about how to pay for diapers and formula
5. Staying home with a crying or screaming baby instead of going out and having fun
6. Constantly changing wet and stinky diapers
7. Giving up favorite activities and future dreams
8. Missing out on prom
9. Losing friends who don’t want to be around babies
10. Losing out on the college or vocational school of choice
11. Dropping out of high school
12. Having to settle for low-wage or minimum-wage jobs
13. Being trapped in the dead-end, unpaid job known as “Occupation: Housewife”
14. Losing all freedom and financial independence
15. Coping with increased stress and worry
Teen Motherhood Positives: NONE
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The way I see it, there are NO positives of teen motherhood at all. The only people who insist it’s a good thing fall into one of two categories; 1. regressive adults who never wanted girls to have higher education and career in the first place, and 2. girls who are already teen mothers and are forced by circumstances to make the best of it, no matter how unhappy or even miserable they really are. Girls cannot afford to let themselves believe that teen motherhood is better than higher education and career. The best key a girl has for escaping the trap of poverty, or to avoid falling into it, is education. It is education that leads to the good-paying jobs, and it is the jobs that lead to having a steady income. Without that education to build on, girls risk being trapped in the cycle of poverty for many years to come. By the way, there’s nothing good about poverty either.
So, girls, the next time a boyfriend pressures you for sex, ask yourself if that 20 or 30 minutes of sex fun is worth giving up ALL your freedom to be a normal, carefree teenager and your freedom to pursue the education that will lead to much better jobs in the future. Hint: the only sensible answer is NO.
Sorry ocean, but you're. The one stuck in the past.
This isn't. The 50's, and many young girls are not pressured into having sex, but many girls are pressuring. Young guys into having sex. Plus all the nsgatives you wrote can apply to young girls who party all night long as well, minus the diapers.
When I. Was over the high school class for two years "in a christian " school - I was shocked at how some of these young girls carried themselves. I even had a few flirting with me, one was very blunt toward me about her intent.

Most of these girls had no loving father fiquer at home. I felt sorry for them, but I would love them enough to let them know the type of "love " they sought, would only leave them empty.

The girl that was so blunt with me, is now 18 yo, and just had her third child. Again teen pregnancy. Isn't. A good thing, but for her, it's. Been a lifesaver.
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"Young girls who are afraid are the one's. That find themselves at pp, and more then none they are "guided " into an abortion."
G, if these same girls went into a religious place for counseling (Catholic Family Services comes to mind) they would be persuaded ("guided") to remain pregnant based on religious dogma. It's no different except that one suits the fundies here and one doesn't.
No doubt they would, but why are they even given a choice?
Don't. You think, if abortion was not legal, that most young girls and guys would think twice before having sex?
In this day and age, even if abortion was outlawed, teens would still be able to find a person to help them have an abortion, just like pot is illegal in most places, no one I. Know that smokes it has any problems getting it. After all these years of it being legal, then it wouldn't. Go back to clothes hangers.
J say since so many pregnancies don't. Make it all the way, why not either leave it in Gods hands, or the hands of natural selection?
I don't. Think 15-16 yo girls should be having babies, but I. Also don't. Think they should be living a lifestyle that lead to them becomming pregnant.
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If I was damaged by exposure to religion, would I be wrong to fight for laws that prevent exposure to religion?
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How were you damaged? You were one of the smart ones, and didn't. Become a religious person. Religion is one of the greatest tools of satan.
Being religious and knowing God are the same as light and darkness.

I would invite you to goggle the 5 types of fools though.
I have been most of them at one point or another.:)

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No doubt they would, but why are they even given a choice?
Don't. You think, if abortion was not legal, that most young girls and guys would think twice before having sex?
In this day and age, even if abortion was outlawed, teens would still be able to find a person to help them have an abortion, just like pot is illegal in most places, no one I. Know that smokes it has any problems getting it. After all these years of it being legal, then it wouldn't. Go back to clothes hangers.
J say since so many pregnancies don't. Make it all the way, why not either leave it in Gods hands, or the hands of natural selection?
I don't. Think 15-16 yo girls should be having babies, but I. Also don't. Think they should be living a lifestyle that lead to them becomming pregnant.
IMO

Had abortion never become legal ..more men and definitely more women would use birth control.

It's not as sure as abstinence..But it sure does,stop pregnancies if properly used
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Since it was a stillborn, the ME will refer to it as whatever their legal term for a neonate is. If the statute says "child", it will be regarded as such, regardless.
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Legal terms and life terms are different.
I knew a lady who was full term, and even alittle overdue, who's. Baby died 30 mins. Before birth. She had a funeral and named the child. The baby looked like a little perfect doll. There is a difference in what happened here, and a lady having a miscarry,, at 5 weeks along. By law it is called a child if it takes one breath after birth, then dies. The child can be given a ss number, and used on taxes for the entire year if it takes one breath, but if not they can label whatever they wish, but anyone who seen the pics of the baby would only say one thing, and that's. "What a beautiful baby " -not stillborn, fetus, or neonatal.
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Had abortion never become legal ..more men and definitely more women would use birth control.
It's not as sure as abstinence..But it sure does,stop pregnancies if properly used
Yes, no doubt.
Just like if it was legal to drink and drive, do you feel the number of drinking and driving would go up?
when people are not held to be accountable, they will continue the behaivor.

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Yes, no doubt.
Just like if it was legal to drink and drive, do you feel the number of drinking and driving would go up?
when people are not held to be accountable, they will continue the behaivor.
Probably would till they died from it.

At the time Roe was decided we had just gotten the pill ..And mire awareness on preventing pregnancy

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I was countering another poster's argument.

Religion, or faith, never got its claws into me, fortunately. But many young gays are damaged by hostile faiths and their adherents--some to the point of suicide.
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How were you damaged? You were one of the smart ones, and didn't. Become a religious person. Religion is one of the greatest tools of satan.
Being religious and knowing God are the same as light and darkness.
I would invite you to goggle the 5 types of fools though.
I have been most of them at one point or another.:)
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Where was that advice when I needed it .
Oh yeah. All I heard was ..well we ARE getting married after graduation..just this once ..And I love you..if you get pregnant we will just get married earlier
Back then it was the goal of all my senior friends ..get married ..have a family
I know, Rose; things in the 1950's and 1960's were VERY different, and not very good for girls. In those days, girls were only encouraged in the marriage and family direction. College and career? Not so much. Even for the women who were in certain job fields, they were often blatantly discriminated against, like the stewardesses who were forced out of work when they hit the "ripe old age" of 32.

Have you seen the PBS documentary "MAKERS?" If not, I highly recommend it, to ALL girls and women.
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Sorry ocean, but you're. The one stuck in the past. This isn't. The 50's, and many young girls are not pressured into having sex, but many girls are pressuring. Young guys into having sex.
REALLY. Got any statistics to back up your rather lame assertion? Get back to me when you find some, and NOT some biased "statistics" from some faith-based site.

Sorry, G (not really), I'm just not buying your "it's the girls pressuring the guys into having sex" line. And you will NEVER convince me that teen pregnancy and teen motherhood is a good thing for girls, especially those who have had drug and alcohol problems as teenagers. As far as I'M concerned, there's NOTHING good about getting pregnant and having a baby as a teenager. All it does is rob girls of good education and good employment, leaving them dependent, on either their parents or the government, for support.

The way I see it, teen sex is a BAD IDEA, and a teen girl is much better off by DUMPING any guy who pressures her to have sex. Guys who pressure girls for sex aren't worth keeping around as boyfriends.
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I was countering another poster's argument.
Religion, or faith, never got its claws into me, fortunately. But many young gays are damaged by hostile faiths and their adherents--some to the point of suicide.
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No doubt religion has caused much harm, since when one is faced with it, they either believe they can't. Be "good " enough to measure up, "and they can't., gay or not ",or the fool themselves into believing God is pleased with them, as long as they attend church, and do whatever is on their churches "list " of must do's.

Many gays have thought "what is wrong with me??? "
Many non gays have thought the same.

That's. The whole point behind why God came to do what we never could.
His gift was for all, gay or not.

His gift is accepted by gays and non gays.
His gift is rejected by gays and non gays.
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REALLY. Got any statistics to back up your rather lame assertion? Get back to me when you find some, and NOT some biased "statistics" from some faith-based site.
Sorry, G (not really), I'm just not buying your "it's the girls pressuring the guys into having sex" line. And you will NEVER convince me that teen pregnancy and teen motherhood is a good thing for girls, especially those who have had drug and alcohol problems as teenagers. As far as I'M concerned, there's NOTHING good about getting pregnant and having a baby as a teenager. All it does is rob girls of good education and good employment, leaving them dependent, on either their parents or the government, for support.
The way I see it, teen sex is a BAD IDEA, and a teen girl is much better off by DUMPING any guy who pressures her to have sex. Guys who pressure girls for sex aren't worth keeping around as boyfriends.
We agree teen sex is a bad idea, but these girls I. Know, now have a baby and working on ged. Or high school diploma. These girls could've. Had an abortion, and would still be drop outs, taken care of by parents, state, jails.

If parents wouldn't. Let 15 yo's date, and watch their children, then they wouldn't. Face sex or pregnancy.

I can give you plenty stats on what's. Happened. To the family unit since the 50's.

Plus wasn't. Trying. To say all girls pressure guys, but waaay more now than back then.

You should update. Yourself. On what teens are doing. You may be shocked.

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I know, Rose; things in the 1950's and 1960's were VERY different, and not very good for girls. In those days, girls were only encouraged in the marriage and family direction. College and career? Not so much. Even for the women who were in certain job fields, they were often blatantly discriminated against, like the stewardesses who were forced out of work when they hit the "ripe old age" of 32.
Have you seen the PBS documentary "MAKERS?" If not, I highly recommend it, to ALL girls and women.
Hey that poster N ..just read a few,posts,..is,it a male with some twisted ideas or a woman .

I think it's male .

Likes young women but I could be wrong ..

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<quoted text>Oh my gosh, you pick contraceptives over abstinence.....
She did no such thing, you lying piece of sh*t.
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REALLY. Got any statistics to back up your rather lame assertion? Get back to me when you find some, and NOT some biased "statistics" from some faith-based site.
Sorry, G (not really), I'm just not buying your "it's the girls pressuring the guys into having sex" line. And you will NEVER convince me that teen pregnancy and teen motherhood is a good thing for girls, especially those who have had drug and alcohol problems as teenagers. As far as I'M concerned, there's NOTHING good about getting pregnant and having a baby as a teenager. All it does is rob girls of good education and good employment, leaving them dependent, on either their parents or the government, for support.
The way I see it, teen sex is a BAD IDEA, and a teen girl is much better off by DUMPING any guy who pressures her to have sex. Guys who pressure girls for sex aren't worth keeping around as boyfriends.
OOh Ocean...you are so clueless as to hos things have changed over the years. While boys have always pressured girls to have sex, today the girls are just as bad. When i wss a teen, my gf had a huge crush on my brother. She propositioned him for years. My brother, although attracted to her and tempted, was turned off by her aggressive behaviour. I dated a guy for a short time in HS whk didn't have sex with anyone. We got along great. He was very handsome and i recall many girls from his school chasing him. When we broke up, a girl who was very popular got him to date her. She had her eye on him and told me flat out that he'd be hers. They dated and told me that she was going to demand sex from him. She got it.

For years my sons have been telling me how crazy girls are today. They are super aggressive and push hard for sex. My sons sre turned off by it. Its like girls act like the guys once did-looking for a quick bootie call. Its very hard for my sons to stay sex free when girls throw themselves at guys.

SOMETHING is definately wrong. I tell them that the young are desperately searching for ANY attention..ANY form of love or to be wanted. They can't judge them. But it is difficult to stay...um..sex free today.
I worked i a HS and was very close to the students. Shockingly, i found girls to be very over sexed. I had many conversations with my own to see the similarity in their peers. One pretty 10th grader used to tell me that she was horny and wanted to score. I became a therapist instead of staff with these kids. I was in my early 30s at the time so they felt free to talk to me. They didnt see that i was a mother of older kids until my kids visited me there. I learned MUCH there as to the minds and party scenes from these kids and my kids new it. They knew that i knew MUCH. Everywhere we went i ran into those kids while with my own. The kids would hug me, jump on my back...fill me in on their lives and my kids thought it was strange and funny.

Needless to say,we have a real problem in society today. Kids are exposed to sex on tv...movies....parents bad examples of hooking up with gf/bf ..... Giving BC to them isnt the answer. Addressing the core problem is. Parents need to be better examples. MANY are absent from the home(a deep problem that many kids shared with me...which left them feeling abandoned and misguided).

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She did no such thing, you lying piece of sh*t.
No reading skill .

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<quoted text> OOh Ocean...you are so clueless as to hos things have changed over the years. While boys have always pressured girls to have sex, today the girls are just as bad. When i wss a teen, my gf had a huge crush on my brother. She propositioned him for years. My brother, although attracted to her and tempted, was turned off by her aggressive behaviour. I dated a guy for a short time in HS whk didn't have sex with anyone. We got along great. He was very handsome and i recall many girls from his school chasing him. When we broke up, a girl who was very popular got him to date her. She had her eye on him and told me flat out that he'd be hers. They dated and told me that she was going to demand sex from him. She got it.
For years my sons have been telling me how crazy girls are today. They are super aggressive and push hard for sex. My sons sre turned off by it. Its like girls act like the guys once did-looking for a quick bootie call. Its very hard for my sons to stay sex free when girls throw themselves at guys.
SOMETHING is definately wrong. I tell them that the young are desperately searching for ANY attention..ANY form of love or to be wanted. They can't judge them. But it is difficult to stay...um..sex free today.
I worked i a HS and was very close to the students. Shockingly, i found girls to be very over sexed. I had many conversations with my own to see the similarity in their peers. One pretty 10th grader used to tell me that she was horny and wanted to score. I became a therapist instead of staff with these kids. I was in my early 30s at the time so they felt free to talk to me. They didnt see that i was a mother of older kids until my kids visited me there. I learned MUCH there as to the minds and party scenes from these kids and my kids new it. They knew that i knew MUCH. Everywhere we went i ran into those kids while with my own. The kids would hug me, jump on my back...fill me in on their lives and my kids thought it was strange and funny.
Needless to say,we have a real problem in society today. Kids are exposed to sex on tv...movies....parents bad examples of hooking up with gf/bf ..... Giving BC to them isnt the answer. Addressing the core problem is. Parents need to be better examples. MANY are absent from the home(a deep problem that many kids shared with me...which left them feeling abandoned and misguided).
Are the girls being "used" by the boys, as you usually claim, OR are they "just as bad"?

Make up your fricken mind, Stupid Sassy.

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Absolutely none, and I've been saying it for years.
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I think tbat it's sad that soiety has given up on our youth. They have NO faith in the concept of self control. We live in a feel good at all costs and then when the consequences hit, they search for a magic pill to take it away.

Think about it. We over eat, gain weight and then pay hundreds (while endangering our lives) to take the fat away or to staple or remove our bellies.

We drink in excess and then destroy our lives and others around us..even drinking and driving -killing innocent people. The we blame our genes for it.

We over spend our money that we dont have and then think that we deserve bail outs.Getting in even mlre debt.

We get our jollies out sexually then kill our babies because it's inconvenient to mother them.

Contraception is a magic potion to allow hs to be sexually free crom any responsibility, commitment and consequnence of self seeking sexual pleasure. Kids should be guided and taught morls. They arent and so society has given up on them. Handing them tools to be able to participate in bad and negative behaviour is sinful.

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