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Gtown71

United States

#294026 Apr 28, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Do you go door to door trying to save souls or just sit on your butt? Spells L A Z Y, not C H R I S T L I K E.
So those who comment on here are lazy?
Did you miss the part about how a guy pulled a gun on me one night?
Plus -how do you know what "christ like " means?
Ocean56

AOL

#294027 Apr 28, 2013
rosesz wrote:
I am over a decade older. Gave birth to 2 children one as a teen..before Roe was law. So I have been around. I will try to cut down on the rhetoric. But I do feel all of this loss of life has caused a disconnect and divided this country horribly.
Personally, I think the anti-choice side CAUSES this division, by trying to control women's sexual and reproductive decisions when in fact another woman's pregnancy is NONE of their business.

As I've said many times, the ONLY person who decides whether or not to continue a pregnancy is the WOMAN who is pregnant. Whatever decision she makes, it is HER decision and hers alone.
Ocean56

AOL

#294028 Apr 28, 2013
Chick Brilliance Returns wrote:
"As I was saying" is me.
Hi Chicky! Great to see you back, I've missed you. I hope all is well with you and your family.
Ocean56

AOL

#294029 Apr 28, 2013
IRYW wrote:
Look in the mirror. People like you, the churches you support, and the politicians you elect are the primary reason so many young girls get pregnant. You thwart sex-education at every opportunity. You oppose free, readily available contraception for teens or low-income women. You deny science, which encourages your children to think whatever they believe is as valid as anything else. You do everything you can to make visiting a PP clinic as inconvenient as possible and then shriek that women aren't using enough contraception.
Planned Parenthood would prefer to see literally no abortions take place; they would much rather see 100% use of contraception. Women would much rather not get pregnant in the first place than have an abortion. They would like easy access to inexpensive, long-term methods such as IUDs.
But your head is so far up you know where that you cannot see that your efforts are in direct opposition to what you claim you want. Not only are you the worst enemy to young women at risk, you are your own worst enemy. American taliban.
Brilliantly put, and definitely bears repeating. Thanks!
Ocean56

AOL

#294030 Apr 28, 2013
rosesz wrote:
Well neo..they already would have these women as clients. The ones who had abortions recently for a start. We know they already had sex. And nothing would prevent them from giving real classes to poor women who wanted them.
They could be such a force..for safe sex.again use their contributions and yes provide free condoms..for a start..
They are one of the few organizations that are on the front lines..if they would as I says bd interested in helping to make abortion less common despite their bottom line for abortions
PP is ALREADY a force for pregnancy prevention, as I personally discovered many years ago. I went to Planned Parenthood quite often when I was 18+ and had just moved to a big city. I knew that if I chose to have sex at some point, I DIDN'T want to get pregnant, so I needed reliable contraception to PREVENT that unwanted outcome. They charged very LITTLE money for that contraception, and I was very grateful to get it. I would have had to pay MORE anywhere else.

The Planned Parenthood facility I went to was terrific. The medical staff were very knowledgable and helpful, they answered all my questions on preventing unwanted pregnancy and STD's, and finally set me up with the contraception that I felt would work best for me.

Thanks to Planned Parenthood and its wonderful staff, I never got pregnant before the time when I WANTED to become a mother, which wasn't until my 30's. I never got a sexually transmitted disease either. I went OFF birth control when I decided I was ready for the responsibility.

PP certainly prevented all unwanted pregnancies for ME, although I was simply lucky that my form of contraception never failed. Other women haven't been so lucky, because ALL forms of birth control can and DO fail, even with proper and consistent use.
Gtown71

United States

#294031 Apr 28, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Brilliantly put, and definitely bears repeating. Thanks!
You're welcome ocean, ok here goes Jesus saves. Thanks again :)
Gtown71

United States

#294032 Apr 28, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Brilliantly put, and definitely bears repeating. Thanks!
Ok ocean my last post was a funny :) atleast to.me.

Yet I don't think lack of contraceptives are the reason for so many abortions. I do think lack of use is.

What's your thoughts on a woman having 5 or more abortions?

Plus do you know how common it is for women to have two or more abortions?

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#294033 Apr 28, 2013
rosesz wrote:
<quoted text>
On that we can all agree I hope:)
I have a hard time 'agreeing' that my 23 year old son's death 2 years ago was a 'good' thing, or that he's in a 'better' place than HERE.

With US.

I miss him so much, and don't 'know' that I'll ever see him again - all I know, is that he's not here.

I feel like a withered husk without him.

If I really thought there was a heaven, and that he was in it, I'd have killed myself two years ago to get there. I think about doing that every day - but I don't want my husband or my living son to miss me like they miss their Alex. It would hurt them.

So I stay.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#294034 Apr 28, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe, but the NAF has nothing to do with laws, regulations or fullfillment OF those laws and regulations. Period. Your beating the wrong horse.
I'm going to watch the Anderson Cooper vid you posted today!
By their inaction they obviously don't care about dangerous abortionists or the women that they hurt.
Gtown71

United States

#294035 Apr 28, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I have a hard time 'agreeing' that my 23 year old son's death 2 years ago was a 'good' thing, or that he's in a 'better' place than HERE.
With US.
I miss him so much, and don't 'know' that I'll ever see him again - all I know, is that he's not here.
I feel like a withered husk without him.
If I really thought there was a heaven, and that he was in it, I'd have killed myself two years ago to get there. I think about doing that every day - but I don't want my husband or my living son to miss me like they miss their Alex. It would hurt them.
So I stay.
I just read this, and although I buried 95% of my family, before I was age 23 I cannot imagine what you have and are going through.

Your post has made me cry, just thinking about loosing my.little girl would kill me.

And yes I believe in Heaven, but I can also tell you had I died within 3 months after I was saved not one person on earth who believes in Heaven would think I would be there, but I would have.

Only each person and God knows.
It only takes a blink of an eye for a person to be saved.

I didn't have God in my.life when I lost soo many, my mother being the last, and no doubt the hardest.

I remember picking up the phone many times a day, for a few weeks just to call her.

All I can say is I am truly soo sorry for your loss, and pray you find peace.
Gtown71

United States

#294036 Apr 28, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I have a hard time 'agreeing' that my 23 year old son's death 2 years ago was a 'good' thing, or that he's in a 'better' place than HERE.
With US.
I miss him so much, and don't 'know' that I'll ever see him again - all I know, is that he's not here.
I feel like a withered husk without him.
If I really thought there was a heaven, and that he was in it, I'd have killed myself two years ago to get there. I think about doing that every day - but I don't want my husband or my living son to miss me like they miss their Alex.
It would hurt them.
So I stay.
Thank you for not doing yourself harm!
I wish I could say I would be as strong, but I somehow doubt it.
I truly can't imagine!

I am glad I've got to read what you write, even if we don't agree on anything.
I'm so sorry. I pray "selfishly " that I never know what you have and are going through.
There is really nothing Anyone can say that helps :(

I still don't understand why I lost so many, or why I found my father dead, but I now know God can comfort.
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#294037 Apr 28, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Glad you're getting used to your device. Lol
A few months ago my phone "which is all I use " went into some weird text mode, and it was very aggrivating.:)
I don't have, or ever have had a home computer "yet no I don't live like amish "
The wipe the dust off your feet deal is interesting. I've had that presented to me on another forum, and this is the answer I gave - if I ever get to a place where I and a friend go into a strange place, to do mission work, and be a helper, and I do those verses leading up to the one about dusting off the feet -stay at one house, not moving around for better accomodations, taking with us no extra clothes, no food, no money, and eating whatever they set in front of.me, and help as much as possible, yet "the town " still rejects us, and wants nothing to do with our Jesus, then broke, stinking, hungery, with no where to stay -I would gladly dust off my feet of that.place.
Trust me I've tried to pull the ole topix plug, only to find I can't !
I've thought it is just a hobby, or addiction, but it is not.
I must post, untill I'm ask to stop by my Father.
His Word will not return void, and if those who truly don't want to read.my post -I have asked they simply skip me.
Those who need to read it will.
Only God knows who is saved or not. I even will say, that I believe there are some folks who have been saved, and are going to Heaven, but just don't know it.
I didn't know I ws saved for over 2 months - all I knew was my life went from one direction, to the very opposite direction.
The largest majority of christians don't believe as I do, but never the less my faith is sure, and my convictions solid.
I had a REAL experience with a REAL GOD.
I just cannot get over it.
I've been called to preach His Word, so preach I must.:)
I will be the first to admit, that I'm alittle different then the average christian, but God knew what He was getting :)
I pray I'm convicted quickly when I need to change, or stop, or when I'm in the wrong.
I love each person on here, and my life has been improved by each and "every" one of them, regaurdless of where they stand with me, or God.:)
Actually in my suggestion..lol I was talking a out the guy with the gun..not topix..you seem to know what God wants of you..so peace..and God bless you
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#294038 Apr 28, 2013
rosesz wrote:
BUT according to you Pp is so benevolent it would like to see an end to the need for abortions....... J believe at ons time they did a lot to promote birth control..now they have a vested interest in the business of abortion....and for a clinic giving out free bc to those in need would be relatively inexpensive..even IUDs bought in large quantity..or those shots that last a while..their main target
could be women who just had abortions..
You just don't get it, do you? You seem to think that the only reason women don't use contraception is because they are whores. One PP clinic offers free BC and you imagine them like Starbucks every few blocks; just waltz in and get your free IUD implanted. Now ask yourself, if Starbucks was the only place to get coffee and you really wanted coffee, but you had to drive 50 miles (and you don't own a car) and even when you get there, people outside the Starbucks shrieking at you that your are going to hell for supporting 'slave labor' on coffee plantations and threatening to post your photo on the web and labeled "Slave killer". And after you get inside the clerk explains that you must get a sonogram of the coffee in your stomach to see what it is doing to you inside, and you have to read pages of information about the horrors of caffeine and the coffee slave trade. You tell me, how much do you want that cup of coffee now?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#294039 Apr 28, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Spiritual matters "speak " to many.
Its not faith in faith.
Its not even a warm fuzzy feeling, which can be a nice bonus, notice most people have some type of spiritual side.
I've met those who said they were closest to god when they were on cocaine or other mind altering drugs -they probably was :)
If you spin around over and over chanting any name -you might get all kinds of spiritual, but it is something the flesh works up -not from God in most cases.
When the flood ended all on board knew God, throughout time many left, which is no shocker.
Oriental people are the most spiritual folks on the planet, and they may have many many gods.
Science is good.
Faith science is not.
I said nothing about a "warm fuzzy feeling". I spoke of beliefs making as much sense to the mind as to the heart.

Your entire post is one big strawman argument.

As for your last sentence, you're right. "Faith science" would be creationism, and ID. Those are not real science.

Yeah, I know, you meant faith IN science. No one has "faith" in science in the way you're implying. As someone else has already pointed out to you, faith has more than one meaning. In science, no one is placing blind faith in things that cannot be proven, as is the case in religious beliefs. It's not the same thing at all, no matter how much you desperately wish to pretend it is.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#294040 Apr 28, 2013
IRYW wrote:
<quoted text>
I know this isn't an evolution forum but when the subject comes up it is a quick way to see who can actually have a scientific, evidence based discussion and who cannot. Rosez is an example of someone who is so fixed in her beliefs that she literally cannot engage in a logical discussion. And that shows in all of her posts.
They listen to religious "sound bites" rather than investigating the matter themselves. Another tell is the inclusion of the Big Bang Theory, which has nothing to do with the theory of Evolution, yet they lump them together.

It's what they do with the Dredd Scott Decision and the 3/5ths Compromise, when trying to pretend that the law said slaves weren't "human" or "persons", in the abortion debate.
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#294041 Apr 28, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>There is always going to be a need for abortions. You can't suppress what's natural. They do provide free services in family planning for patients at/or below poverty level and a sliding fee scale for low income patients it's called Title X. In 2011 Republicans wanted to cut this funding by 300 million. Any clinic that provides family planning services is entitled to receive government funds.
To be clear ..you are not saying abortion is natural but the sex act that makes a woman pregnant?

I am glad thdy provide services..but they have such a large base for doing good. I guess I think they could do more. My post to the other poster were becsuse I do not believe what he said that
Pp would be glad if there were no more abortions.

It is a business. If it was rewuired that they be free..the clinics would stop.. i am not saying this will happen..I am saying a lot of money is made in the ending of human life.

If they stopped tomorrow....or a mandate when out that they would end in 6 months!!!
.Which I know they wont..I think the BC rate would go sky high within a year. IT would have to..

I know you think illegal abortion rate would go sky high ..and I know there eould be a lot of docs who may have to go back to regular practice. I think if abortion was not so readily avsiable Women would use the methods available ti prevent pregnancy..and maybe kids would move away from thinking multiple hookups with no condoms were such a great idea..

AND AGAIN I KNOW THIS WONT HAPPEN..But I think women are smarter than this culture gives them credit for..Given NO choice to abort they would adapt and the rate of unplanned pregnancy would go way down. PP would indeed become a place for giving sex ed and family planning as it started out to be when I was a young woman and admired it so. And yes there msy be some unplanned pregnancys we would cope
Have the babies or sadly give them for adoption as we did before Roe..and before the pill..the IUD the MAP..the shots..and the knoeledge that WE ladies and gifls in the sixties and 50s DidNot have

Obviously this is an opinion based on a fictional situation..but I think women are a lot stronged and more adaptive than we are given credit for..AND one mors thing we did not have in the sixties..were ways to make a man pay child support..i think men might get smarter too if they knew that they could not just tell the girl to get rid of it!!!
Point is we had no tools to help us. We managed. There were not these huge numbers of illegal abortions. The advent of the pill was supposed to be the equalizer..NOT this terminating our offspring ny the thousands.
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#294042 Apr 28, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
PP is ALREADY a force for pregnancy prevention, as I personally discovered many years ago. I went to Planned Parenthood quite often when I was 18+ and had just moved to a big city. I knew that if I chose to have sex at some point, I DIDN'T want to get pregnant, so I needed reliable contraception to PREVENT that unwanted outcome. They charged very LITTLE money for that contraception, and I was very grateful to get it. I would have had to pay MORE anywhere else.
The Planned Parenthood facility I went to was terrific. The medical staff were very knowledgable and helpful, they answered all my questions on preventing unwanted pregnancy and STD's, and finally set me up with the contraception that I felt would work best for me.
Thanks to Planned Parenthood and its wonderful staff, I never got pregnant before the time when I WANTED to become a mother, which wasn't until my 30's. I never got a sexually transmitted disease either. I went OFF birth control when I decided I was ready for the responsibility.
PP certainly prevented all unwanted pregnancies for ME, although I was simply lucky that my form of contraception never failed. Other women haven't been so lucky, because ALL forms of birth control can and DO fail, even with proper and consistent use.
I am glad to hear that Ocean. I think that is why it was started. And Part of my pists was asking..When I first heard of PP..I thought of it as a great thing for women..not as a place where offspring are terminated as it is now....Glad to hear that for you it was as it was started. See my lst post to Neo above this.
I know it wont happen but I think given the right circumstances..women would adapt and not be running in droves to ilkegal abortionists.. i give them much mord credit!!
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#294043 Apr 28, 2013
rosesz wrote:
< My post to the other poster were becsuse I do not believe what he said that
Pp would be glad if there were no more abortions.
You may as well say you believe aardvarks fly out of your butt. What are your REASONS for claiming this?You seem to think that pro-choice people are monsters who like to kill babies and make millions doing it.
PP is non-profit. Where do you think the money goes?
rosesz wrote:
<.
It is a business. If it was rewuired that they be free..the clinics would stop..
Wrong. Someone needs to administer the free distribution and everything associated with it.
rosesz wrote:
<..I am saying a lot of money is made in the ending of human life.
Made by whom? PP is non-profit. And your argument is like saying that oncologists are desperately against a cure for cancer because they make a lot of money treating cancer. Would you say that to an oncologist? Why not?
rosesz wrote:
<..But I think women are smarter than this culture gives them credit for..Given NO choice to abort they would adapt and the rate of unplanned pregnancy would go way down. PP would indeed become a place for giving sex ed and family planning as it started out to be when I was a young woman and admired it so. And yes there msy be some unplanned pregnancys we would cope
Have the babies or sadly give them for adoption as we did before Roe..and before the pill..the IUD the MAP..the shots. The advent of the pill was supposed to be the equalizer..NOT this terminating our offspring ny the thousands.
You live in la-la land.
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#294044 Apr 28, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok ocean my last post was a funny :) atleast to.me.
Yet I don't think lack of contraceptives are the reason for so many abortions. I do think lack of use is.
What's your thoughts on a woman having 5 or more abortions?
Plus do you know how common it is for women to have two or more abortions?
I know at least two personally. A girl who roomed with me had 5. Her doc kept telling her to get an iud or use the pill. The other is a young lafy I know and love who has had 3. Again gets the pill. Thinks she doesnt need it..etc etc. My heart is so sad for her. And she cant even bear to talk about it..She hurts..

BUT here I know of 2..and I certainly dont get out much or have a circle of young friends...how many more are out tgere..if there was no Choice for ELECTIVE abortion...NOT TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY PROCEDURES IN WHICH BABY OR MOM ARE IN DANGER..I think women would use BC and men would use condoms much more
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#294045 Apr 28, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I have a hard time 'agreeing' that my 23 year old son's death 2 years ago was a 'good' thing, or that he's in a 'better' place than HERE.
With US.
I miss him so much, and don't 'know' that I'll ever see him again - all I know, is that he's not here.
I feel like a withered husk without him.
If I really thought there was a heaven, and that he was in it, I'd have killed myself two years ago to get there. I think about doing that every day - but I don't want my husband or my living son to miss me like they miss their Alex. It would hurt them.
So I stay.
Oh I am so so sorry. And I understand..no one could pissibly understand your pain

I believe there is a heaven..but killing yourself isnt the answer which you know..Do you have a pastor you can talk to.?
My belief in a God who loves us So much that He gave HIS son to die so that WE could have another better place to be..gives me comfort and I wish I had the words that could bring you comfort..
all I can say is ask Him..probably no loud voice will come out of the sky but maybe that stll small voice will speak to your heart. GOD hears the prayers of His children.

May He bless yoh and your family

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