Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#291990 Apr 8, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>It makes no difference, the Mayo Clinic doesn't say "it's never not necessary" and there are physicians who say that sometimes in more severe cases it is necessary.
It makes no difference"? Only to other people who don't care about facts.

From the Mayo Clinic link:

"The only cure for preeclampsia is delivery."

Not "abortion", "delivery".

A PCer claiming "an abortion" at "8 months" gestation was needed for "preeclampsia", and the Mayo Clinic stating unequivocally that "delivery" is the treatment for preeclampsia and eclampsia, no matter the gestational age, makes a world of difference to people who have integrity in discussion and base their [educated] opinions on FACTS.

While you want to claim the Mayo Clinic didn't say this or that, how about you provide anything from any medical site that states an abortion is needed for "preeclampsia", as was STO's claim.

Until then, you're just dispaying the stupidity of someone who posts her own brand of ignorance to mindlessly and without intelligent forethought defend the ignorance and stupidity of other PCers here.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#291991 Apr 8, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
As has been proven time and again, it certainly CAN be the treatment depending on the situation. Woman can also DIE from preeclampsia and eclapsia you fk'n idiot Lynne.
Guess you just couldn't help yourself huh?
^^^Yet another ignorant fool heard from on a topic none of those posting on the matter,[except me] knows anything about.

Of course women can DIE from the condition, fool. I'm the one who posted I had preeclampsia and one of my daughters had eclampsia. I know what I'm talking about not just because I can understand the facts I read, but because I have experienced it first hand, and know many others who have experienced it. My daughter and I are both alive, as are our children, she being the one I was having when I had preeclampsia.

Abortion is NOT the treatment for preeclampsia or eclampsia in late pregnancy, delivery is. IF you can prove otherwise from a reputable medical site, then just do it. Otherwise, you look just as ignorant as the other PCers trying to make that claim, and just as stupid trying to defend it.

Ocean56

AOL

#291992 Apr 8, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
If young girls were taught how to love themselves, and had a good support system at home, and really thought about the LOSS OF THEIR VIRGINITY, then they would have NO NEED of any other losses, that you so gracously give them.
As far as I'M concerned, the loss of their virginity is far less important than the loss of their FREEDOM to BE teenagers. That's exactly what they WILL lose by having sex and very possibly ending up pregnant and then teen mothers.

So I would much rather see more teen girls realize that being sexfree (free FROM sex) in middle and high school is in their best interests, thereby avoiding unwanted pregnancy and STDs altogether. By staying sexfree, girls keep their freedom to BE regular teenagers rather than having to give up this freedom by becoming mothers way too soon.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#291993 Apr 8, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text> Please site your sources that state women never die from pre eclampsia.
An abortion is not always indicative of terminating the life of a live fetus and delivery doesn't necessarily mean giving birth to a live fetus.
There you go defending stupidity again.

Ayakaneo, "...delivery doesn't necessarily mean giving birth to a live fetus.."

In the cases of "delivery" for preeclampia or eclampsia as the Mayo clinic site stated and the case STO made the claim about, both was about a LIVE fetus, because nothing elsewas stated otherwise.
No one made any mention of abortion for a dead fetus because of preeclampsia, so your statement, "An abortion is not always indicative of terminating the life of a live fetus" has nothing to do with anything being said.

Earlier in pregnancy than whn the fetus is viable, saving the child while saving the mother through "delivery" may not be possible, but they don't ABORT the child. They deliver it.

You PCers argue your stupidity and that of other PCers, but you don't come back with anything from a reputable site to substantiate your claims. I did, and still you argue what was posted on the site.


Ocean56

AOL

#291994 Apr 8, 2013
Many teens do not realize that being sexFREE (meaning free FROM sex) is a winning advantage. This is why I think itís important to give teens a list of the freedoms that being sexFREE provides. The top ten winning advantages of being SF (sexFREE) are:

1. Freedom from unwanted teen pregnancy and teen motherhood.

2. Freedom from incurable STDs like Herpes and fatal STDs like AIDS.

3. Freedom to concentrate on school work and participate in fun school activities.

4. Freedom to get all homework assignments and studying done and maintain or improve grades.

5. Freedom to participate in learning programs for future jobs and careers.

6. Freedom to graduate with classmates and receive a high school diploma.

7. Freedom to move on to college or vocational school with no restrictions.

8. Freedom to complete a college or vocational program with a degree or certificate.

9. Freedom to look for and accept good jobs with higher salaries.

10. Freedom to get valuable job experience in a chosen career and take courses to learn more job skills.

Getting pregnant and becoming a teen mother will, most likely, take away most of these freedoms, if not all of them. A teen mom has to put the care of her baby first, which means putting her education second. If she has to study for an important test and the baby is sick, the studying may not get done because she has to care for the baby. That may result in her doing poorly on the exam instead of doing well. If a teen mom wants to attend her junior or senior prom but has no one to watch the baby for her, she canít go to the dance and has to stay home. If a teen mom is going to college, she may fail one or more classes because caring for her baby or child took priority over completing all her course requirements. A teen mom may even have to drop out of high school or college because she could not take care of her baby and do all her school work at the same time.

By contrast, a teen girl who realizes that being sexFREE (or SF for short) in high school and college is a clear winning advantage will avoid sex with partners during those years. She will keep her freedom to enjoy all the advantages that the SF choice offers. She is free to concentrate in school, get all her class and homework assignments done, attend any dances she wishes, and take part in school activities like working on the school newspaper or yearbook. Best of all, she will graduate with her class and go on to college or vocational school afterward. If she avoids sexual activity with partners during her college or vocational school years, she will continue to enjoy the advantages indefinitely. She may even decide at some point that she prefers the career world over marriage and children, which is a perfectly valid choice. Not all women wish to be wives and mothers.

It is my firm belief that there is nothing good about getting pregnant as a teenager. Teen pregnancy and teen motherhood can impair or even destroy a girlís ability to get a good education, which is the foundation for good employment. If a girl cannot get a good job because she doesnít have a high school diploma, poverty may become inevitable. Sadly, many teen girls donít know how very HARD teen motherhood is until it is too late. They donít know because no one ever told them, either at home or at school. It is about time that changed.

The ďjust say noĒ approach to abstinence-only sex education programs is miserably inadequate because it doesnít explain WHY teens, especially girls, should say no to sex. The top ten list of winning advantages is a good informational tool to start off with. When a large majority of teens have this information, they may soon begin to realize that enjoying the advantages of the sexFREE choice is a much better option for them than being trapped by the burdens of teen motherhood.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#291995 Apr 8, 2013
http://www.medicinenet.com/pregnancy_preeclam...

"Preeclampsia occurs after the 20th week of pregnancy and can even occur in the days following birth."

IF PCers cared about facts, looked it up, and IF they could understand what they read, they'd see that not one reputable medical site states abortion is needed or is treatment, for any reason, for preeclampsia or eclampsia.
Ocean56

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#291997 Apr 8, 2013
This might help girls see the difference between the two lifestyles of being a free teenager and being a teen mom BEFORE they make the mistake of having sex and possibly ending up pregnant.

If anyone can think of more benefits of lifestyle #1 or negatives of lifestyle #2, please go ahead and add them.

LIFESTYLE #1 - LIFE AS A FREE TEENAGER:
- Keeping up grades, studying, doing homework
- Participating in after-school activities
- Going to school dances and parties
- Relaxing during summer vacation
- Having fun at the junior or senior prom
- Graduating high school and attending after-graduation parties
- Moving on to college or vocational school with no restrictions

LIFSTYLE #2 - LIFE AS A TEEN MOM:
- Missing school, falling behind in classes
- Getting up two or three times at night to feed a baby
- Endless diaper changes, including stinky ones
- Losing friends who don't want to be around crying babies
- Staying home with a constantlty-crying baby while friends are out having fun
- Missing high school graduation, or even having to drop out of school before completing high school
- Losing out on the dream job/career originally planned


As a teenager who is happily NOT pregnant, which lifestyle do YOU want? Wouldn't you rather have the first lifestyle instead of the second?

You can keep Lifestyle #1 very easily, just by saying NO to any guy who pressures you to have sex. If your boyfriend says he'll break up with you if you won't have sex with him, don't cave in. Break up with HIM instead.

Keeping your freedom to BE a teenager; there's no better reason to say no.

feces for jesus

Westbury, NY

#291998 Apr 8, 2013
I see that Lily broke free from the loony bin again.
Bit-O-Honey

Mooresville, NC

#291999 Apr 8, 2013
Gee. One ignorant liar takes a break Ink, and the other OCD freak who is an even BIGGER liar comes back, lily or lynne or whatever name she's using today.

They must work in shifts. I wonder if Topix pays them? Because there' has to be at least ONE psychotic PL'er here at all times.
grumpy

Pomona, NY

#292000 Apr 8, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
This might help girls see the difference between the two lifestyles of being a free teenager and being a teen mom BEFORE they make the mistake of having sex and possibly ending up pregnant.
If anyone can think of more benefits of lifestyle #1 or negatives of lifestyle #2, please go ahead and add them.
LIFESTYLE #1 - LIFE AS A FREE TEENAGER:
- Keeping up grades, studying, doing homework
- Participating in after-school activities
- Going to school dances and parties
- Relaxing during summer vacation
- Having fun at the junior or senior prom
- Graduating high school and attending after-graduation parties
- Moving on to college or vocational school with no restrictions
LIFSTYLE #2 - LIFE AS A TEEN MOM:
- Missing school, falling behind in classes
- Getting up two or three times at night to feed a baby
- Endless diaper changes, including stinky ones
- Losing friends who don't want to be around crying babies
- Staying home with a constantlty-crying baby while friends are out having fun
- Missing high school graduation, or even having to drop out of school before completing high school
- Losing out on the dream job/career originally planned
As a teenager who is happily NOT pregnant, which lifestyle do YOU want? Wouldn't you rather have the first lifestyle instead of the second?
You can keep Lifestyle #1 very easily, just by saying NO to any guy who pressures you to have sex. If your boyfriend says he'll break up with you if you won't have sex with him, don't cave in. Break up with HIM instead.
Keeping your freedom to BE a teenager; there's no better reason to say no.
You left out Lifestyle #3 which is like pitching a perfect game.
No runs (born a virgin)
No hits (lived as a vrgin)
No errors (died a virgin)
STO

Vallejo, CA

#292001 Apr 8, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you're a liar, and an ignorant fool. You could have easily looked up "treatments for preeclampsia" and/or "eclampsia" and gained some knowledge on the matter before posting.
You chose not to, and posted a lie that an abortion at 8 months was necessary for preeclampsia, and posted it as a PCer in an abortion forum. Abortion is not necessary for preeclampsia or eclampsia in late pregnancy.
Nothing played a part in an abortion being needed at 8 months pregnant for "preeclampsia", which was what you claimed was needed and why.
So you're telling me you were there when my mother told me what happened to her friend's daughter and that you heard the conversation, so therefore I'm a liar because you heard something different, cuz, again, you were there and heard the conversation?

You know it was an emergency situation and the fetus didn't make it, right?

Do you know if the fetus was delivered alive? I don't. But, ya know, since you were there, you should.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#292002 Apr 8, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go defending stupidity again.
Ayakaneo, "...delivery doesn't necessarily mean giving birth to a live fetus.."
In the cases of "delivery" for preeclampia or eclampsia as the Mayo clinic site stated and the case STO made the claim about, both was about a LIVE fetus, because nothing elsewas stated otherwise.
No one made any mention of abortion for a dead fetus because of preeclampsia, so your statement, "An abortion is not always indicative of terminating the life of a live fetus" has nothing to do with anything being said.
Earlier in pregnancy than whn the fetus is viable, saving the child while saving the mother through "delivery" may not be possible, but they don't ABORT the child. They deliver it.
You PCers argue your stupidity and that of other PCers, but you don't come back with anything from a reputable site to substantiate your claims. I did, and still you argue what was posted on the site.
"In the cases of "delivery" for preeclampia or eclampsia as the Mayo clinic site stated and the case STO made the claim about, both was about a LIVE fetus, because nothing elsewas stated otherwise."

But you were there, lilLynne!

Doesn't matter that I've already stated I don't know ( I __ DON'T __ KNOW ) if the fetus expired in utero.

Guess you must have stepped out of the room when my mother didn't tell me what I don't know.

Ya ol' crab.
worships reality

United States

#292004 Apr 8, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
I see that Lily broke free from the loony bin again.
and jonnycakes is full of you!
ooo-gaa!!!
worships reality

United States

#292005 Apr 8, 2013
Bit-O-Honey wrote:
Gee. One ignorant liar takes a break Ink, and the other OCD freak who is an even BIGGER liar comes back, lily or lynne or whatever name she's using today.
They must work in shifts. I wonder if Topix pays them? Because there' has to be at least ONE psychotic PL'er here at all times.
did they pay you to come here to tell everyone that the medical examiner issued a cause of death statement without examining the fetus/child in that brooklyn accident case?
who are you to call anybody else ignorant?

bit-o-stupid
Forum

Hobbs, NM

#292007 Apr 8, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
This might help girls see the difference between the two lifestyles of being a free teenager and being a teen mom BEFORE they make the mistake of having sex and possibly ending up pregnant.
If anyone can think of more benefits of lifestyle #1 or negatives of lifestyle #2, please go ahead and add them.
LIFESTYLE #1 - LIFE AS A FREE TEENAGER:
- Keeping up grades, studying, doing homework
- Participating in after-school activities
- Going to school dances and parties
- Relaxing during summer vacation
- Having fun at the junior or senior prom
- Graduating high school and attending after-graduation parties
- Moving on to college or vocational school with no restrictions
LIFSTYLE #2 - LIFE AS A TEEN MOM:
- Missing school, falling behind in classes
- Getting up two or three times at night to feed a baby
- Endless diaper changes, including stinky ones
- Losing friends who don't want to be around crying babies
- Staying home with a constantlty-crying baby while friends are out having fun
- Missing high school graduation, or even having to drop out of school before completing high school
- Losing out on the dream job/career originally planned
As a teenager who is happily NOT pregnant, which lifestyle do YOU want? Wouldn't you rather have the first lifestyle instead of the second?
You can keep Lifestyle #1 very easily, just by saying NO to any guy who pressures you to have sex. If your boyfriend says he'll break up with you if you won't have sex with him, don't cave in. Break up with HIM instead.
Keeping your freedom to BE a teenager; there's no better reason to say no.
A real relationship develops when there is respect.
Men take advantage of women.
Friendship can lead to marriage.
Sex is for when you are married.
Katie

Renton, WA

#292008 Apr 8, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not "brave" to argue ignorance and lies. It's stupid, and you're one of the experts here.
Why so combative in your irrationality?
Have you missed the posts claiming abortion medically means pregnancy ending prior to term? Doesn't matter if it's by delivery or by D&E. Same/same.

Why so uptight?

“Never give up”

Since: Dec 12

Cleveland, OH

#292009 Apr 8, 2013
Hello again.

I was just reading an article on CNN.com , http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/... , which talks about how Planned Parenthood defends the practice of post-birth terminations of babies born due to botched abortions.

Pro-Choice people keep saying that a fetus doesn't become a baby/person until its born -- outside the womb, so there's nothing wrong in terminating a fetus. Also, according to PCers, since its okay/legal to terminate a fetus, the abortion doctor is not committing murder.

Well, I want a PCer to explain to me why post-birth terminations of babies should not be considered murders. Since it is outside the womb t can no longer be classified as a fetus, it is now a baby/person, yes?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#292010 Apr 8, 2013
BraveCon wrote:
Hello again.
I was just reading an article on CNN.com , http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/... , which talks about how Planned Parenthood defends the practice of post-birth terminations of babies born due to botched abortions.
Pro-Choice people keep saying that a fetus doesn't become a baby/person until its born -- outside the womb, so there's nothing wrong in terminating a fetus. Also, according to PCers, since its okay/legal to terminate a fetus, the abortion doctor is not committing murder.
Well, I want a PCer to explain to me why post-birth terminations of babies should not be considered murders. Since it is outside the womb t can no longer be classified as a fetus, it is now a baby/person, yes?
Here, Spammer, I answered you on the other thread.....

There are no such things as "post birth abortions". There is no way to explain why something that doesn't even exist isn't something else entirely.

An abortion is the ending, either spontaneous or induced, of a pregnancy. The very phrase "post birth" means that the pregnancy is already over. Don't be any more moronic than you must.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#292011 Apr 8, 2013
Bit-O-Honey wrote:
Gee. One ignorant liar takes a break Ink, and the other OCD freak who is an even BIGGER liar comes back, lily or lynne or whatever name she's using today.
They must work in shifts. I wonder if Topix pays them? Because there' has to be at least ONE psychotic PL'er here at all times.
lmao!!

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#292012 Apr 8, 2013
STO wrote:
<quoted text>
"In the cases of "delivery" for preeclampia or eclampsia as the Mayo clinic site stated and the case STO made the claim about, both was about a LIVE fetus, because nothing elsewas stated otherwise."
But you were there, lilLynne!
Doesn't matter that I've already stated I don't know ( I __ DON'T __ KNOW ) if the fetus expired in utero.
Guess you must have stepped out of the room when my mother didn't tell me what I don't know.
Ya ol' crab.
Oh my...those anti-choicers seem to be having mind-boggling reading comprehension problems. The boneheads...lmao!

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