Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 310174 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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Since: Sep 08

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#291393 Mar 31, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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But here in our great country where abortion is supposed to be "safe", we have a "clinic" like Gosnell's that is able to operate right under the noses of the very people who are supposed to be keeping women safe. It's not that no one KNEW what was going on, they didn't CARE what was going on. Gosnell would still be killing women and children if there hadn't been a drug bust.
As right as you are about this Sue, and you ARE right - making abortion illegal again will certainly create MORE Gosnell's as not only the poor, the uneducated, the illegal aliens, the desperate seek out abortions illegally, but other women do as well.

While we only know of a very few Gosnell's today, because it IS safe, legal and accessable, I personally fear we'd be creating an atmosphere where these guys will flourish.

Again, education is the key, not making more laws.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#291394 Mar 31, 2013
Religion's supposed to be safe but thousands of raped children would disagree. Shall we outlaw religion, or just jail the actual lawbreakers?
Susanm wrote:
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But here in our great country where abortion is supposed to be "safe", we have a "clinic" like Gosnell's that is able to operate right under the noses of the very people who are supposed to be keeping women safe. It's not that no one KNEW what was going on, they didn't CARE what was going on. Gosnell would still be killing women and children if there hadn't been a drug bust.
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#291395 Mar 31, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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"Yes, it's clear nobody in your state cared what was going on in Gosnel's clinics."
His "clinic" was inspected by The National Abortion Federation, who admitted that they found filthy and dangerous conditions, they just didn't care enough about women and children to bother reporting him.
"He is one."
He is not the only one:
"A similar incident occurred in October 2000 when a 21-year-old woman bled to death after having an abortion in a Dayton, Ohio clinic. The clinic where the death occurred had recently been granted a waiver from any kind of special treatment for abortion complications by the Ohio Department of Health. The normal Ohio medical license requires doctors to have a hospital and doctor identified in case of severe complications from medical procedures such as abortion."
"CDC statistics dating back to 1975 revealed that there were seven times as many abortion deaths following Roe v. Wade than prior to the decision. The desire for "safe and legal" abortions has been behind the desire of groups in favor of abortion rights to oppose efforts to overturn Roe v. Wade."
"Hard numbers regarding how many women either die or receive poor medical treatment are unavailable because abortion providers keep tight control over actual numbers."
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/abortion-conv...
"Pennsylvania health officials say renewed inspections uncovered poor conditions at the two Abortion as an Alternative Inc. clinics in the months after a drug investigation revealed a "house of horrors" at another facility operating for years in Philadelphia.
Two days after being ordered to suspend performing abortions, Dr. Soleiman M. Soli, 73, announced he would shut down the clinics instead and retire, officials said. Soli's other clinic was in the Germantown section of the city.
At Soli's clinics, the Department of Health found drugs decades past their expiration dates, inadequate or inoperable equipment, poor record-keeping and mishandling of fetal tissue."
http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_int...
Of course then there's Dr Steven Brigham who has had his license revoked in several states yet continued to perform abortions.
"How many more would there be if abortion was completely deregulated and no longer monitored altogether due to being criminalized? How many more are out there now?"
It appears that making abortion legal hasn't stopped the back-alley butchers, it just allows them to operate in the main stream.
Do you think quacks like this would multiply without any legal regulations in place? I sure do. And that's no good for anyone.

It seems you want to blame legal abortion for these quacks when you say, "It appears that making abortion legal hasn't stopped the back-alley butchers, it just allows them to operate in the main stream." I just don't see it that way.

Look, I am not arguing or debating what you're saying. I disagree with your perspective that legal abortion is at fault for crappy clinics such as Gosnell's and the other two you mentioned. Those incidences are not the norm when abortion is legal and monitored.

However, the attacks on legal, monitored abortion don't help the situation, either. The one gal quoted earlier, the protesters at PP scared her off. The undue restrictions and waiting periods are scaring people off. But it's not preventing them from obtaining abortions.

Does PA want to join in the race to see which state will be first to get an abortion case into the Supreme Court to challenge Roe?
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#291396 Mar 31, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Agree. Gosnell was a vulture preying on the poor and drug addicted in Pennsylvania. He deserves everything he gets, but the state has only themselves to blame.
Agreed. But on second thought... Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Sue is right. Maybe PA really doesn't care about women obtaining safe abortions because its too busy trying to outlaw it. Maybe they're so caught up in the quest to criminalize it, they've turned a blind eye to the fact some women will reject an unplanned pregnancy and have rights to obtain a safe one. So PA, as a whole, doesn't care if these women die, like Sue says. They're just collateral damage (plus it doesn't hurt, either, to blame them for wanting to abort in the first place).

That's what I'm starting to think after reading and re-reading Sue's posts and links.

Since: Sep 08

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#291397 Mar 31, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>I agree Sue, but the fact remains that there should have been protesters at Gosnell's clinic protesting and scaring these women away but instead PL was just a few miles away protesting a PP. Pennsylvania has some of the most restrictive abortion laws in the U.S where women are required to have counseling to discuss their other options. They weren't getting this service at Gosnells clinic. Credit to busting Gosnell goes to the DEA, not any Pro life or Pro choice organization.
Exactly. That's what I've been saying as well. Where were all the right to life groups? To heck with "all", where were ANY of them in the 17 years he was doing abortions?

Oh yeah, not a white enough neighborhood.

Like I said, there's enough blame to go around.

Since: Sep 08

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#291398 Mar 31, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Religion's supposed to be safe but thousands of raped children would disagree. Shall we outlaw religion, or just jail the actual lawbreakers?
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Good point.
The Prince

Phillipsburg, NJ

#291400 Mar 31, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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No, but I did state that scripture is relevant to a bible discussion. The life of Jesus is told in the Bible, so where else would Foo get her information?
Scripture is also used to give proof to the word. You refusde to believe. Blessed are those who have not seen me, and yet beleive. Thomas.

Your hate is all you and the other faux-jew pagan have.

Rejoice for He has Risen. I have celebrated the resurrection of Christ yesterday, on the Holiest day of the year.

I pray for forgiveness of my sins and yousr as well.
The Prince

Phillipsburg, NJ

#291401 Mar 31, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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What is this? It's some dumbed down list where everything was allegedly fulfilled but not at all explained. Foo actually showed each requirement according to scripture and illustrated in some detail how it was not fulfilled.
If I were moderating a debate and asking to be convinced one way or the other Foo would win by a 100 miles.
Fortunatley you are not! The Truth is revealed to all who have ears to hear, and eyes to see, and voices to speak. As for you and the other pagans you live in darkenss and so shall you dwell for eternity.
The Prince

Phillipsburg, NJ

#291402 Mar 31, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Lets just take one at random from her "list" and look at it, shall we?
24. Ex. 12:21-27 Christ is our Passover
ROFLMAO I find this one hysterical. "CHRIST" isn't mentioned at all in the Tanakh. Not even REMOTELY. Its not even a prophecy Yet these freaks take Exodus, specifically the 10th plague passage (killing of the first born of EGYPT) and call it about christ??
WHAT BULLSHIT! LOLOLOLOL!!
This part of the Jewish bible has ZERO to do with christ, and certainly isn't a prophecy, let ALONE being a fullfilled requirement for a messiah.
But then, its easy for people making a 'new' g-d to ignore, change and bastardize what they NEED to CREATE prophicies fullfilled.
<quoted text>
Its not even about 'winning' IMO LNM. Its about people like Inkstain knowing nothing about their own faith, and not being able to back up the things they claim.
THere's a reason its called "faith", but when one like Inkstain makes claims she can't back up, while I Can and DO certainly and easily refute her claims, its not even a debate, its a debacle.
In order to have a debate, both sides need SOME knowledge, Inkstain apparently has only hot air and hypocricy.
YOu twist the scripture with the tongue of Satan.
The Prince

Phillipsburg, NJ

#291403 Mar 31, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Most likely in caeserea; there is no mention in any secular source that he was in judea. Of course, there's no secular mention of jesus either.
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There is no secular proof of Mosses, of Abraham. Did they also not exist in your pagan world? I cannot see love or hate but it exists. Is your pagan world different?
Forum

Lovington, NM

#291404 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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You don't believe anything written about Christ so what is the point? If we were to have a discussion on the suject, you would have to accept that we are talking about a real person and you don't. End of subject. You said He didn't exist so let's agree, He didn't exist. Now will anyone ever fit your criteria?
The Six Sins against the
Holy Ghost

1. Presumption of God's mercy,
2. Despair,
3. Impugning the known truth,
4. Envy at another's spiritual
good,
5. Obstinacy in sin,
6. Final Impenitence.
Ocean56

AOL

#291405 Apr 1, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
Isn't it amazing how basic human emotions are actually sinful? Talk about being set-up to fail.
Indeed. IMO militant religionist hierarchies don't want people to be too educated or too successful. Too much education leads to people realizing that what they've been told by the religion or church is NONSENSE, so many people will leave. Too much success can lead to more people deciding they DON'T need the church for anything, so more people become independent of it.

So the hierarchies come up with every TRICK in the book to keep people from developing ideas that are against the church's interests and lead people AWAY from the church. Saying certain emotions are "sins" is one such trick.
Ocean56

AOL

#291406 Apr 1, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Well, you know, they speak directly for god...
Yes, the militant religionists CLAIM that a lot, don't they. They're big on TALK, but NOT so big on proof.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#291407 Apr 1, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Bullshit. Since the Jewish faith doesn't beleive in hell, no rabbi would make that claim.
Maybe your version doesn't but I found several sites that say they do.

religionfacts.com

Traditional Judaism includes belief in both heaven and hell, as we will see below. How is one's destination decided? The School of Shammai offered this description:

There will be three groups on the Day of Judgment: one of thoroughly righteous people, one of thoroughly wicked people and one of people in between. The first group will be immediately inscribed for everlasting life; the second group will be doomed in Gehinnom [Hell], as it says, "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life and some to reproaches and everlasting abhorrence" [Daniel 12:2], the third will go down to Gehinnom and squeal and rise again, as it says, "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on My name and I will answer them" [Zechariah 13:9]...[Babylonian Talmud, tractate Rosh Hashanah 16b-17a]

The school of Hillel suggested a more merciful view, in which the middle group are sent directly to Gan Eden (Heaven) instead of Gehinnom after death. Rabbi Hanina added that all who go down to Gehinnom will go up again, except adulterers, those who put their fellows to shame in public, and those who call their fellows by an obnoxious name [Babylonian Talmud, tractate Baba Metzia 58b].

The Talmud teaches that all Israel will have a share in Olam Ha-Ba, but makes some notable exceptions:

All Israelites have a share in the world-to-come...[However], these are they that have no share in the world-to-come: one who says there is no resurrection of the dead prescribed in the Torah, and that the Torah is not from Heaven, and an Epicurean.(Sanhedrin 10:1)

General Jewish belief is that one need not be Jewish to enjoy Heaven. "Moses Maimonides, echoing the Tosefta to Sanhedrin, maintained that the pious of all the nations of the world have a portion in the world-to-come [Mishneh Torah, Repentance 3:5]."
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#291408 Apr 1, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Why do you keep avoiding refuting the scriptural evidence? After all, YOU asked for proof, and you were given it.
Back up your claim Inkstain. After all, its easter right? You SHOULD be able to, easily.
We're waiting.....
LOL
Okay Jesus didn't fit the criteria. So do you think anyone ever will? I'm waiting.

Since: Apr 13

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#291409 Apr 1, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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Indeed. IMO militant religionist hierarchies don't want people to be too educated or too successful. Too much education leads to people realizing that what they've been told by the religion or church is NONSENSE, so many people will leave. Too much success can lead to more people deciding they DON'T need the church for anything, so more people become independent of it.
So the hierarchies come up with every TRICK in the book to keep people from developing ideas that are against the church's interests and lead people AWAY from the church. Saying certain emotions are "sins" is one such trick.
Amen to that ;)
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#291410 Apr 1, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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"He spoke also this parable to certain people who were convinced of their own righteousness..."
I'm often amazed at the ignorance I encounter on here.
You were the one talking about your own 'goodness'.

I think the parrabel was lost on you.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#291411 Apr 1, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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You know Inkstain, in this one post, you've managed to TRULY show what a complete fool you really are.
Theologians that dont agree on scripture have been DISCUSSING scripture for thousands of years. Religious debate is CERTAINLY possible between people of different faiths.
Strikes me that you're just afraid to have anything resembling discussion on faith with people that know more than you do about it, NOT ONLY because you dont have the conviction of your faith, you dont have the knowledge of it either.
Listen, you are the one who said Christ didn't exist. On that premise there is nothing to discuss. I and 2 billion other Christians don't have to prove anything to you.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#291412 Apr 1, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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No, but I did state that scripture is relevant to a bible discussion. The life of Jesus is told in the Bible, so where else would Foo get her information?
I posted enough scripture to keep you looking things up for a week.

http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/proph...
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#291413 Apr 1, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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"This was the conversation that caused me to call her a cockroach."
Caused you? So you didn't choose on your own to do the very thing you're complaining she did? Interesting the way your mind works.
No courage to comment on her post, I see.

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