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feces for jesus

Bellmore, NY

#283771 Feb 13, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Its all according to how you wish to interpet the bible.
I've not read where it says the moon produces its own light, but the moon does produce light.
All must come from somewhere.
Even the sun must have some "source ",have you ever wondered how the sun can continue to burn and burn, yet never burn up?
Do you realize how big the sun is?
How much energy it takes and gives.
How the earth just floats around, along with all planets.
Prove adam wasn't made from dust.
After one dies, what happens to their body?
Given enough time, they go back to dust.
With all the amazing things in the world, it makes me wonder why people dumb it down to the very basics.
Isaiah 30:26 , 13:10 speak of the moons "light", Fundie-master.

Looks like a non-believer can show you a thing or two about your fabled "word of god".

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#283772 Feb 13, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
"That's a good question,"

Then answer it.

"but if a person walks into an abortion clinic and kills a woman, that is sitting in the waiting room, to have an abortion, then that person will be charged with 2 murders instead of just 1."

Ah, no. There are states where they will be charged with one murder, and one fetal homicide. There are states where they will be charged with one murder, as not all states even have fetal homicide laws. Still, where they do, those laws only kick in at viability in some places, and are always the result of the fetal death occuring during the commission of another crime, murder of, or assault on, the woman.

"It is a can of worms I don't believe those judges really knew they were opening when they made abortion legal."

They didn't "make it legal". They determined that the laws in existence that made abortion completely illegal were unconstitutional, and overturned them. By the way, in most states, there were already exceptions to those laws on the books prior to RvW. In fact, there was only a short period in the history of this country where it was entirely illegal.

"Either the unborn child, is someone to be protected, or it is nothing more then a medical choice, and if a woman chooses to remain pregnant, then she should get no special treatment at her work, or parking spots at stores."

What nonsense.

"The list is endless, when you deal with double standards."

The only double standard here is from your side of the argument. Many of you are not only against a woman having the right to choose whether or not to remain pregnant, but against contraceptives, real sex ed in the schools, and welfare programs.
serfs up

Kissimmee, FL

#283773 Feb 13, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
<quoted text>
Isaiah 30:26 , 13:10 speak of the moons "light", Fundie-master.
Looks like a non-believer can show you a thing or two about your fabled "word of god".
Whether you believe it or not, others do. A healthy percentage of the population believe abortions to be murder. Many are not religious. Religious doctrine will also say that abortions, about 56 million of them now are offerings to Satan. Children are important in the evil that is around us but are abused massively by many of the same who claim to love them. So if you are secular it still exists. If you don't believe, there are still people who do.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#283774 Feb 13, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Whether you believe it or not, others do. A healthy percentage of the population believe abortions to be murder. Many are not religious. Religious doctrine will also say that abortions, about 56 million of them now are offerings to Satan. Children are important in the evil that is around us but are abused massively by many of the same who claim to love them. So if you are secular it still exists. If you don't believe, there are still people who do.
So, go ahead and believe whatever you want. What does that have to do with those who don't share your beliefs?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#283775 Feb 13, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>So, go ahead and believe whatever you want. What does that have to do with those who don't share your beliefs?
I have yet to see an anti-choice argument that doesn't boil down, even if it takes a little while, to a religious argument.
serfs up

Kissimmee, FL

#283776 Feb 13, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>So, go ahead and believe whatever you want. What does that have to do with those who don't share your beliefs?
What does that have to do with those who don't share your beliefs?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#283778 Feb 13, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> What does that have to do with those who don't share your beliefs?
Define "healthy percentage", and please list your source for that. As far as I know, there are no polls on that exact question.
feces for jesus

Bellmore, NY

#283779 Feb 13, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Whether you believe it or not, others do. A healthy percentage of the population believe abortions to be murder. Many are not religious. Religious doctrine will also say that abortions, about 56 million of them now are offerings to Satan. Children are important in the evil that is around us but are abused massively by many of the same who claim to love them. So if you are secular it still exists. If you don't believe, there are still people who do.
What the hell are you blabbing about? I was talking to our new favorite fundie, Gtown, about how the bible says the Moon has it's own light light and how that is incorrect. You can believe whatever you want.
feces for jesus

Bellmore, NY

#283780 Feb 13, 2013
Husker wrote:
<quoted text>We are Temples and Satan wants to destroy what God loves the most.
Temples are temples, piggy peggy.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#283781 Feb 13, 2013
Peter hasn't been around lately.

I guess he is busy with his gay friends.
Anonymous

United States

#283782 Feb 13, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
<quoted text>
Isaiah 30:26 , 13:10 speak of the moons "light", Fundie-master.
Looks like a non-believer can show you a thing or two about your fabled "word of god".
You are not making a very good point choosing those verses, but let us look at them. Isaiah 30:26 says : the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days.

"It seems to me, that the brighter the sun is, the brighter the moon will be.

Isaiah 13:10 says : the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Again, it looks to me, that if the sun is dark, then so is the moon.

Both verses seem to indicate that the moons light depends on the sun.

Brighter the sun -brighter the moon.
Darker the sun -darker the moon.

You can try all you wish, but this is a sad attempt to discredit Gods Word.
The Prince

Phillipsburg, NJ

#283783 Feb 13, 2013
except for severe medical issues, and has been for years.
"except for severe medical issues"

That is a vague staement. The law would be absolute and mean only in the case of death, no some vague "severe medical condition" that is used as an excuse for many late term abortions. You proabort pagans know that, and that is why you can't answer the question honestly.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#283784 Feb 13, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a nice a sentiment, LNM.
Thank you.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#283785 Feb 13, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Clever, but snide. Funny!
;)

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#283786 Feb 13, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Oooohh...Snap!
<quoted text>
LOL!

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#283787 Feb 13, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> What does that have to do with those who don't share your beliefs?
That makes no sense. I'm not trying to force any belief on anyone. You are. Why can't you answer the question instead of coyly evading it?
Anonymous

United States

#283788 Feb 13, 2013
The Prince wrote:
except for severe medical issues, and has been for years.
"except for severe medical issues"
That is a vague staement. The law would be absolute and mean only in the case of death, no some vague "severe medical condition" that is used as an excuse for many late term abortions. You proabort pagans know that, and that is why you can't answer the question honestly.
Its all in the wording. A woman could be severly depressed.

This is why they keep trying to pass laws, so thet may obtain their ultimate goal of abortion on demand at any stage.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#283789 Feb 13, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Its all in the wording. A woman could be severly depressed.
This is why they keep trying to pass laws, so thet may obtain their ultimate goal of abortion on demand at any stage.
I take it you're not going to address my post, and share with us all how any killing can be legal and illegal at the same time?

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#283790 Feb 13, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Its all in the wording. A woman could be severly depressed.
This is why they keep trying to pass laws, so thet may obtain their ultimate goal of abortion on demand at any stage.
Specifically, to what laws are you referring? I don't know of any recent bills being introduced. Please name them. I'm very interested. Thanks in advance.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#283791 Feb 13, 2013
I decided to answer STO, and see how he handles it.

STO about Doc's position on viability: "His entire point is that if a physician determines ALS will give an infant any chance at survival whatsoever, then by defintion, it is viable."

Doc's position, as I understand it, is a fetus is viable with or without medical aid at a certain gestational point. Same as mine is, because that's the medical and legal definition of what a viable fetus is. 24-27 weeks on. I didn't read him saying anything about; "if a physician determines ALS will give an infant any chance of survival whatsoever..."
because viability is about a [FETUS in utero] not a [BORN INFANT]. He gets that, you people are the ones who don't, so to state his position as being about an "infant" with regard to viability and the abortion issue is dishonest. Viability is determined while the fetus is still IN UTERO.

There are some fetuses that aren't viable, and Doc understands that too. Your claim about his position is a dishonest one.

STO about my position: "Her argument is that if an artificial womb were needed, the fetus isn't viable, as it wouldn't be viable in a natural womb."

I never said if an artificial womb were needed that the fetus isn't viable. I said an 8 week old fetus isn't viable and artificial or natural womb has nothing to do with it. It was about the gestational age oif the fetus, not what kind of "womb" it was placed. You're the one bringing up the stupidity about artificial vs natural wombs.

He can't read our answers for comprehension, and it shows.

STO said: ""I offered a hypothetical "artificial womb", as a future medical technology. Given the hypothetical... My understanding is that every fetus would be considered "viable" , as soon as it developed from embryo to fetus, rendering no need to make that determination before birth."

He comes up with the senselessness of; "My understanding is that every fetus would be considered "viable" , as soon as it developed from embryo to fetus,"

His understanding of his own sci-fi made up bullshit that a fetus at 8 weeks would be considered viable? That's where he lost whatever point he was trying to make. In order to make a point, it has to have some sound basis for it.
His had none.

His artificial womb/viability hypothetical was immaterial to the abortion discussion and ignorant of facts about what viability is.

His interpretation of the positions of PLers is based on the same ignorance, and also immaterial. In my opinion STO has proven he doesn't have anything sensible to make a point or argue the facts we PLers have stated and proven with the medical and legal definition of viability of a fetus.



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