"Pain is subjective. Do you know when the baby is aware of itself?"<quoted text>
Bhitler: "A fetus who can't feel pain, and is not even aware of it's own exitstence to feel fear, is never the same as a child who can."
Pain is subjective. Do you know when the baby is aware of itself? Regardless, you exploit their temporary weaknesses to the point of death. Coward.
The baby wants to live. Even extinctually s/he realizes she is supposed to live...& will try to move from the murder weapon.
You puff out your fat gut thinking you're so "tough" and "in control" of defenseless human beings because they can't speak for themselves.....or withstand the evil force of a sharp curette, forcep, toxic chemical, suction, etc.
You're not tough. Your a fat pig who bullies innocents to death.
It turns out that YOU are the weakling....the one thing you were trying to avoid becoming......
Pain, especially physical pain, is not subjective in and of itself. which is that to which you're referring dummy. Ask anyone you know to stick their hand in an active fireplace, and everyone will experience the same pain. Ever boy that's circumcised, experiences the same pain. What is subjective, is tolerance for pain.
"The baby wants to live. Even extinctually s/he realizes she is supposed to live...& will try to move from the murder weapon."
Hey ZEF; didn't you say that sentience is not reached until a certain level of maturity? Are we to see this comment by your "constituent" as a contradiction of your statement?
Perhaps you two should get together to get your lies straight.
In an article written specifically with regard to fetal pain, the Journal of the American Medical Association, which is the voice of an agency that knows more about physiology than you and all you PLM idiots, especially the idolaters, combined, states otherwise.
It states in pertinent part:
"Pain perception requires conscious recognition or awareness of a noxious stimulus. Neither withdrawal reflexes nor hormonal stress responses to invasive procedures prove the existence of fetal pain, because they can be elicited by nonpainful stimuli and occur without conscious cortical processing. Fetal awareness of noxious stimuli requires functional thalamocortical connections. Thalamocortical fibers begin appearing between 23 to 30 weeks’ gestational age, while electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in preterm neonates probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks."
Now, go find equally credible, medical evidence that states different and then we can discuss it.