Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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No Relativism

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Correction: "Mankind was *not* created to procreate through race....but, through pregnancy."

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Katie wrote:
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All young children lack an awareness and perspective? All?
You believe this nonsense but call me a bigot?
You're NR's long lost twin.
Children? I said nothing about children. I said all young people lack sentience untill they achieve a certain level of physical maturity. People are thought to gain sentience while they are fetus. Therefore all people younger than fetus, that being embryo are presumed to lack sentience. Persecuting people for what they are, black, jew, young etc. is called bigotry. Killing people for what they are, which is abortion, is an extreme form of bigotry, tantamount to the nazi death camps of wwii.
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He is only half right, my friend. I was referring to the part of his post that's a lie. You figure out which part that is, if you can.
Oh oh, the "lawyer" just got busted. Really bites your but doesn't it.

“Reality is better than truth.”

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There's this thing called science that does, in fact, define things like you bring up. No form of awareness, including pain, is possible without a working upper brain--and that process only begins to develop well into the 6th month of the pregnancy. Newborns actually don't have self-awareness and have a limited concept of pain; fetuses have none.

A fetus can't "want" anything. Any movement is purly autonomic and undirected. Since the vast majority of all abortions occur in the first trimester, there is no possibility that your fetal porn is accurate.
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Bhitler: "A fetus who can't feel pain, and is not even aware of it's own exitstence to feel fear, is never the same as a child who can."
Pain is subjective. Do you know when the baby is aware of itself? Regardless, you exploit their temporary weaknesses to the point of death. Coward.
The baby wants to live. Even extinctually s/he realizes she is supposed to live...& will try to move from the murder weapon.
You puff out your fat gut thinking you're so "tough" and "in control" of defenseless human beings because they can't speak for themselves.....or withstand the evil force of a sharp curette, forcep, toxic chemical, suction, etc.
You're not tough. Your a fat pig who bullies innocents to death.
It turns out that YOU are the weakling....the one thing you were trying to avoid becoming......
........dumbass..........

“Reality is better than truth.”

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Hypocrite. Stop projecting.
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You overreact and make an ass out of yourself...often.
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Idiot.
No Relativism

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There's this thing called science that does, in fact, define things like you bring up. No form of awareness, including pain, is possible without a working upper brain--and that process only begins to develop well into the 6th month of the pregnancy. Newborns actually don't have self-awareness and have a limited concept of pain; fetuses have none.
A fetus can't "want" anything. Any movement is purly autonomic and undirected. Since the vast majority of all abortions occur in the first trimester, there is no possibility that your fetal porn is accurate.
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cPeter: "Newborns actually don't have self-awareness and have a limited concept of pain; fetuses have none."

Fetal pain laws are popping up around the country.

Would you like to try again?
No Relativism

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Oh oh, the "lawyer" just got busted. Really bites your but doesn't it.
CD thinks pregnancy is discrimination. I guess he plans on suing our Creator?

{{{ shakes head }}}
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cpeter1313 wrote:
There's this thing called science that does, in fact, define things like you bring up. No form of awareness, including pain, is possible without a working upper brain--and that process only begins to develop well into the 6th month of the pregnancy. Newborns actually don't have self-awareness and have a limited concept of pain; fetuses have none.
A fetus can't "want" anything. Any movement is purly autonomic and undirected. Since the vast majority of all abortions occur in the first trimester, there is no possibility that your fetal porn is accurate.
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Fetus that have been gestating for nine months have greater self awareness that neonates born prematurely after eight months of gestation. People mature with age not environment.

Behaviorally speaking, there's little difference between a newborn baby and a 32-week-old fetus. A new wave of research suggests that the fetus can feel, dream, even enjoy The Cat in the Hat. The abortion debate may never be the same.
The scene never fails to give goose bumps: the baby, just seconds old and still dewy from the womb, is lifted into the arms of its exhausted but blissful parents. They gaze adoringly as their new child stretches and squirms, scrunches its mouth and opens its eyes. To anyone watching this tender vignette, the message is unmistakable. Birth is the beginning of it all, ground zero, the moment from which the clock starts ticking.
Not so, declares Janet DiPietro. Birth may be a grand occasion, says the Johns Hopkins University psychologist, but "it is a trivial event in development. Nothing neurologically interesting happens."
Armed with highly sensitive and sophisticated monitoring gear, DiPietro and other researchers today are discovering that the real action starts weeks earlier. At 32 weeks of gestation - two months before a baby is considered fully prepared for the world, or "at term" - a fetus is behaving almost exactly as a newborn. And it continues to do so for the next 12 weeks.
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cHisLittlePeter: It's not a fu**ing child; it's a fetus, and the PLM can go to hell
Katie said it's okay for us to refer to the boy or girl in utero as a "baby".
Take it up with her.
How you get the above from my claim it doesn't matter what pregnant women call their ZEFs is beyond me. Take it up with your creative self, NR, and leave me out of it.

You suck at this.
Big time.
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Why keep the reasons for wanting an abortion a big secret? There's nothing to be ashamed of afterall and everyone around you should be proud that you're a person who always makes good decisions. You're incapable of making a bad decision.
The reasons why a woman has an abortion are PRIVATE. Therefore, her reasons, whatever they may be, are none of your business.
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Actually he (or she) is right on this one. Pregnancy is meant for creation. It's how you, I and everyone else on the planet exists because of pregnancy. If you disagree please amuse me and explain how else humans are created. The stork? I guess pro-"choice" people can't hide the fact that they THEMSELVES were the fetus in the womb. It's true my friend, you didn't just show up and appear, you and your biological mother had to go through the 9 months of pregnancy.
So what. A woman has the same right NOT to have children as she does to be a mother. Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, and women can reject that option for a number of reasons, none of which are any of your business.
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Katie: When I posted, "No, I don't think calling fetuses in general 'a useless wad of cells' is belittling to anyone" I was agreeing?
Um. Yes.
You were agreeing that "calling fetuses in general 'a useless was of cells' is belittling to anyone."
Dumb question.
Huh?

Tell me, do I believe, in general, that referring to a fetus as a "useless wad of cells" is belittling or not? yes or no?
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zef wrote:
<quoted text>Fetus that have been gestating for nine months have greater self awareness that neonates born prematurely after eight months of gestation. People mature with age not environment.
Behaviorally speaking, there's little difference between a newborn baby and a 32-week-old fetus. A new wave of research suggests that the fetus can feel, dream, even enjoy The Cat in the Hat. The abortion debate may never be the same.
The scene never fails to give goose bumps: the baby, just seconds old and still dewy from the womb, is lifted into the arms of its exhausted but blissful parents. They gaze adoringly as their new child stretches and squirms, scrunches its mouth and opens its eyes. To anyone watching this tender vignette, the message is unmistakable. Birth is the beginning of it all, ground zero, the moment from which the clock starts ticking.
Not so, declares Janet DiPietro. Birth may be a grand occasion, says the Johns Hopkins University psychologist, but "it is a trivial event in development. Nothing neurologically interesting happens."
Armed with highly sensitive and sophisticated monitoring gear, DiPietro and other researchers today are discovering that the real action starts weeks earlier. At 32 weeks of gestation - two months before a baby is considered fully prepared for the world, or "at term" - a fetus is behaving almost exactly as a newborn. And it continues to do so for the next 12 weeks.
"Fetus that have been gestating for nine months have greater self awareness that neonates born prematurely after eight months of gestation. People mature with age not environment."

Not true. It's birth that begins the process of awareness. A preemie will have as much brain activity as a full term born on the same day. Medical tests, fetal brain scans, show this to be true. Medical texts are out there explaining it. Pay attention. And stop inserting your own wacky ideas as if these are fact.
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No Relativism wrote:
You overreact and make an ass out of yourself...often.
What I said was accurate on all accounts.
It is through pregnancy that mankind procreates. You exhibiting a hissy fit makes you look uneducated, & moronish.
Yes, moron, and I said that a woman has every right to REJECT pregnancy and children if she doesn't want the hardships and responsibilities that motherhood involves.

It seems to me that the one throwing hissy fits about a woman's choosing to REJECT motherhood is you. Too bad, pal. NO woman has to get or stay pregnant just to make anti-choice imbeciles like you happy.
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Kathy does seem gay.
You'd know all about that, right, NR?
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You refer to "the tragedy in Newtown, CT". Which was people being shot in head. And how a PL responded to that. I link a post of a PC responding to a PL post, by threatening to shoot the PL in the head. And you see no comparison?
No, not to what I was discussing. Stop inserting your wacky ideas as if these are fact.
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Hey Dumbo, let me inform you that I made another post about this. In it I posted:
~" http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-108publ212/ ...
"This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Unborn Victims of Violence
Act of 2004’’ or ‘‘Laci and Conner’s Law’’.
SEC. 2."
"‘‘§ 1841. Protection of unborn children
‘‘(a)(1) Whoever engages in conduct that violates any of the
provisions of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby causes the
death of, or bodily injury (as defined in section 1365) to, a child,
who is in utero at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty
of a separate offense under this section.
‘‘(2)(A) Except as otherwise provided in this paragraph, the
punishment for that separate offense is the same as the punishment
provided under Federal law for that conduct had that injury or
death occurred to the unborn child’s mother.
‘‘(B) An offense under this section does not require proof that—
‘‘(i) the person engaging in the conduct had knowledge
or should have had knowledge that the victim of the underlying
offense was pregnant; or
‘‘(ii) the defendant intended to cause the death of, or bodily
injury to, the unborn child.
‘‘(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally
kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead
of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided
under sections 1111, 1112, and 1113 of this title for intentionally
killing or attempting to kill a human being."
Also note, the fetus is legally called HUMAN BEING.
You pro-choicers are the most uneducated fools to ever speak on abortion that I've ever come across. "~
It's not only called "unborn child", but also called "human being".
Mrs. Jumbo, do tell how the above excerpt explains what was written in court transcripts during the Peterson trial and how it was reported by newspapers. That's what KW was discussing, lazy reporting.
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No Relativism wrote:
You overreact and make an ass out of yourself...often.
What I said was accurate on all accounts.
It is through pregnancy that mankind procreates. You exhibiting a hissy fit makes you look uneducated, & moronish.
The people who have chosen to be childFREE would strongly disagree with you, NoRelevance. Here's a link to an article on why many people choose NOT to have children, and NO, I didn't write it.

http://piperhoffman.com/2012/03/07/ten-really...

TEN REALLY GOOD REASONS NOT TO HAVE KIDS

by Piper Hoffman

"Nearly one in four parents (22%) say that if they could do it over they would not have children, according to a Dear Abby poll. Dr. Phil found that 40% of parents “would not have children if they knew the problems in creating a family.” And way back when, a 1970&#8242;s Ann Landers column reported that 70% of parents wished they had not had children.

Don’t become one of those people.

I chose not to breed after a lot of self-examination and pausing frequently each day to ask myself “if I had a kid, what would I be doing now? Would it be better than what I actually am doing now?” To help you make a thoughtful decision instead of just getting preggers because that is what folks do, consider the following.

1.Pregnancy and childbirth: I don’t need to detail how the pros and cons balance out here, even for men – who will, after all, usually have to live with and tend to the ballooning mom-to-be.

2.Babies: They are often loud, smelly, and damp with fluid or goo of unknown origins.(Spit-up? Snot? Drool? Or something really gross?) Your baby care and maintenance routine will include frequent diaper changing, interrupted sleep, and suctioning snot. Stores actually sell special devices to stick up Junior’s nose and slurp everything out, traumatizing both yourself and your little angel. My husband swears he remembers undergoing this torture even though he was an infant at the time.

3.Toddlers & Up: Loud, whiny, clutchy, demanding, and destructive, with a penchant for self-injury. Your pastimes with these tots are repeating yourself, being interrogated (“Why? Why? Why? But why?”), suffering tantrums without throwing any yourself, and being the bad cop.

4.Teenagers: Loud (when in groups or listening to music), sullen, secretive, and disobedient. Your new hobby: finding a balance between respecting their privacy and needing to know whether they are smoking, drinking, having sex, sexting, doing drugs, doing their homework, depressed, or being bullied. Fun bonus automotive obsession: dreading the day they can drive, teaching them to drive, arguing over which car they will drive, and worrying about them when they do drive."

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Click on the link above if you want to read the whole article.
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He is only half right, my friend. I was referring to the part of his post that's a lie. You figure out which part that is, if you can.
Then you should have been more specific. That's why I thought you meant the whole statement was a lie. Try to think before you type next time.
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To Ocean 56
Wow you must be an embarrassment to the pro choice argument. Saying that there is something wrong with having a child? 70 percent of parents say that they wish they never had children? Here's a reality check for you- OF COURSE ITS HARD TO RAISE A KID. Who said it was supposed to be easy? But that's what makes the bond between mother and child so special. They go through so many hard, and sometimes traumatic, events together which is why the bond is so important. It was hard for your parents to raise you and my parents to raise me. You and this Piper Hoffman need to look at reality. Every CHILD should have their choices, including life- from conception to natural death. If the moms making the "choice" in the first place wasn't born, they wouldn't even have the choice to do anything. Don't you see? Abortion stops the cycle of life.

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