Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision. Full Story

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#273230 Dec 30, 2012
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
Prayer is always voluntary. Times are changing. We are losing our right to pray or have displays in public. Why is public prayer so threatening to people like you?
Do you support public prayer in America by ALL religions?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#273231 Dec 30, 2012
Goraak, I told you never to call me here. And the Garland albums are MINE! Annihilate earth and you'll never see them again.
GORAAK wrote:
I AM GORAAK, SUPREME COMMANDER OF THE GALACTIC FEDERATION. PREPARE TO BE ANNIHILATED.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#273233 Dec 30, 2012
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I am aware of the law, and legaly women can, and for sure do.
What you just do not see, and never will, unless God shows you, is that you must kill someone else, in order to be free of the "choice " made earlier.
If you play with fire, you will get burned sooner or later, and as much as you may want to, the scar is still there.
There is no easy fix, but making it easy to kill the baby, is not it.
A fetus is not a baby and a woman may have a fetus removed from her uterus, legally. That you feel that it is wrong isn't relevant. If a woman feels it's wrong, she doesn't have to choose abortion. Double standard? No, because a man is incapable of getting pregnant. Is there a double standard because a woman can't have a vasectomy?

“Never give up”

Since: Dec 12

North Olmsted, OH

#273234 Dec 30, 2012
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
What it teaches is woman are not allowed in the governing of the church. Therefore they are not allowed in the decision making. They are to be ruled. That is what the church teaches by example.
Don't even get me started on the church fathers, natural law etc in which laws and determinations were made without the voice, opinions, or minds of women. Now, women are fighting back and taking their proper place in the world community. They WILL be heard, they WILL be involved in law making that pertains to "their" lives. Deal with it.
Women were expected to get married and raise a family. That is what women had done for thousands of years before the Catholic Church had come into existance. The early Church leaders/popes didn't want to include women as clergy because they felt it would take them away from what they were naturally expected to do in life, which was to raise a family.

Also, during the early stages of Christianity, the faith was spread primarily by missionaries who traveled all over the pagan world -- by themselves. How could you expect a woman to go out into the world, by herself, and not get raped whereever she went? Women would have needed an escort whereever they went and this would have been costly to the Church.

And if the Church was to allow women to be in the clergy, what do you do when her biological clock starts ticking? Do you allow her to raise a family and still try to do all the tasks that a pastor is required to do? What if a child is sick on a Sunday morning, does the priestess stay home with her child or does she go to say Mass?

I believe the Church was wise to exclude women for their own protection and to avoid conflicts of interest.
Gtown71

United States

#273235 Dec 30, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
You realize you just threw logic complete
NO ONE IS FORCED TO HAVE AN ABORTION.
Anti-Choice: Criminalize abortion and prevent anyone from having an abortion
Ou
Now really tell me who is forcing who do do what??
you are kidding right?
Abortion:stopping a live process that produces adult human beings if left alone.
killing a person, if you will.
this was viewed as a criminal act forever, or up untill about 40 years ago, when just a few pro choice judges , used their position , to MAKE NEW LAWS, instead of UPHOLDING LAWS, and forced the american peoole to, as you say deal with it.

now many many many tiny babies have died since then.

Pro life people are hoping, that we have a prez in office, who cares for All life, not just some , and when the old death judges die or retire, then the prez can appoint life loving judges, and one day soon, the very same system used to kill, will be used to kill again, but instead of killing babies, it will kill the old Bad choice to kill babies, and once again it will be against the law to kill babies.

women will still be in full control over their life.
they will need to think for more then 2 sec , before having sex , but they will not legaly be able to kill a baby. I believe the reason pro death folks are so afraid of this happening , is becouse they know women will still be able to get abortions, and just as safe as they are now, but the women will have to pay for them, instead of the taxpayers , who dont like abortions now.

plus , when you have to pay cash, you will not be so careless.

right now, it is easy come , easy go

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#273236 Dec 30, 2012
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice, you don't want your rights taken away but it is fine for me and people like me to lose mine.
If I strongly disagree with you, you consider that starting something?
What rights are you losing? This isn't a theocracy. Therefore, no one has a right to practice religious rituals or display religious symbols on government property. You may practice your religion anywhere else, dear.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#273237 Dec 30, 2012
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
You are taking this overboard again as you usually do.
It is a fact that Christians cannot have they symbols or religious figures displayed as they used to. I don't have a problem with all faiths displaying what ever they want. Religious freedom should be for all. Athlets have been stopped from praying voluntarily in unisom before games.
Athletes are employees. They are part of an organization. If the organization chooses to prohibit their members from some practice or action, that's up to it.

Btw, I know you would have a problem with Muslims stopping everything in school to pray during the day. If you deny that, you are a liar. All religions may pray, privately and quietly, anywhere they want. You want to display Christian symbols and have organized Christian prayer in schools. Period.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#273238 Dec 30, 2012
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
This from the jerimiah project
You should check it out. If you don't I'll show you more.
The federal government abridges the free exercise of religion in America by:
Regulating churches and other religious organizations through its tax laws.
Limiting religious liberty in the area of public and private education.
Forbidding non-denominational prayer in public schools and at educational ceremonies.
Excluding the Bible from school classrooms and from other school property.
Refusing to permit the religious displays on public property, such as Christmas and Chanukah.
There are too many religions to have all of them displaying their symbols and practicing their rituals in schools or government facilities. If you don't believe in equal treatment, that's too bad for you.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#273239 Dec 30, 2012
BraveCon wrote:
<quoted text>
Women were expected to get married and raise a family. That is what women had done for thousands of years before the Catholic Church had come into existance. The early Church leaders/popes didn't want to include women as clergy because they felt it would take them away from what they were naturally expected to do in life, which was to raise a family.
Also, during the early stages of Christianity, the faith was spread primarily by missionaries who traveled all over the pagan world -- by themselves. How could you expect a woman to go out into the world, by herself, and not get raped whereever she went? Women would have needed an escort whereever that ey went and this would have been costly to the Church.
And if the Church was to allow women to be in the clergy, what do you do when her biological clock starts ticking? Do you allow her to raise a family and still try to do all the tasks that a pastor is required to do? What if a child is sick on a Sunday morning, does the priestess stay home with her child or does she go to say Mass?
I believe the Church was wise to exclude women for their own protection and to avoid conflicts of interest.
Women may get married. They may have babies. They may not get married. They may not have babies. They get to do what they want. Sorry, you were born in the wrong century:-\

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#273240 Dec 30, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>There are too many religions to have all of them displaying their symbols and practicing their rituals in schools or government facilities. If you don't believe in equal treatment, that's too bad for you.
I post this....

http://turoks.net/Cabana/ChildrenPullOutYourC...

...every time this subject comes up. So far, not one person bemoaning the fact that teachers can no longer lead public school students in prayer (read CHRISTIAN prayer) has commented on it.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#273241 Dec 30, 2012
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
you are kidding right?
Abortion:stopping a live process that produces adult human beings if left alone.
killing a person, if you will.
this was viewed as a criminal act forever, or up untill about 40 years ago, when just a few pro choice judges , used their position , to MAKE NEW LAWS, instead of UPHOLDING LAWS, and forced the american peoole to, as you say deal with it.
now many many many tiny babies have died since then.
Pro life people are hoping, that we have a prez in office, who cares for All life, not just some , and when the old death judges die or retire, then the prez can appoint life loving judges, and one day soon, the very same system used to kill, will be used to kill again, but instead of killing babies, it will kill the old Bad choice to kill babies, and once again it will be against the law to kill babies.
women will still be in full control over their life.
they will need to think for more then 2 sec , before having sex , but they will not legaly be able to kill a baby. I believe the reason pro death folks are so afraid of this happening , is becouse they know women will still be able to get abortions, and just as safe as they are now, but the women will have to pay for them, instead of the taxpayers , who dont like abortions now.
plus , when you have to pay cash, you will not be so careless.
right now, it is easy come , easy go
Taxes don't pay for abortions and no one is forced to have an abortion. You don't know why each woman who has an abortion makes that choice and you have no right to know. Feel free to bray your opinion over and over, but your opinion is irrelevant to anyone but yourself.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#273242 Dec 30, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
I post this....
http://turoks.net/Cabana/ChildrenPullOutYourC...
...every time this subject comes up. So far, not one person bemoaning the fact that teachers can no longer lead public school students in prayer (read CHRISTIAN prayer) has commented on it.
Lol, exactly.
Katie

Puyallup, WA

#273243 Dec 30, 2012
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
you are kidding right?
Abortion:stopping a live process that produces adult human beings if left alone.
killing a person, if you will.
this was viewed as a criminal act forever, or up untill about 40 years ago, when just a few pro choice judges , used their position , to MAKE NEW LAWS, instead of UPHOLDING LAWS, and forced the american peoole to, as you say deal with it.
now many many many tiny babies have died since then.
Pro life people are hoping, that we have a prez in office, who cares for All life, not just some , and when the old death judges die or retire, then the prez can appoint life loving judges, and one day soon, the very same system used to kill, will be used to kill again, but instead of killing babies, it will kill the old Bad choice to kill babies, and once again it will be against the law to kill babies.
women will still be in full control over their life.
they will need to think for more then 2 sec , before having sex , but they will not legaly be able to kill a baby. I believe the reason pro death folks are so afraid of this happening , is becouse they know women will still be able to get abortions, and just as safe as they are now, but the women will have to pay for them, instead of the taxpayers , who dont like abortions now.
plus , when you have to pay cash, you will not be so careless.
right now, it is easy come , easy go
You really need to research the history of abortion. It has never been considered murder, not even when it was illegal.

Do you know WHY abortion became illegal in the mid-to-late 1800s? It had nothing to do with the well-being or attempt to guarantee birth of fetuses.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#273244 Dec 30, 2012
I hope everyone had an enjoyable holiday season. It's a little early but happy New year to all on here.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#273245 Dec 30, 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belie...

So much for the so-called "culture of life", huh?

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#273246 Dec 30, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
I post this....
http://turoks.net/Cabana/ChildrenPullOutYourC...
...every time this subject comes up. So far, not one person bemoaning the fact that teachers can no longer lead public school students in prayer (read CHRISTIAN prayer) has commented on it.
I remember when I was little and in grammar school we had morning prayers. There was a little Jewish girl who was allowed to not participate. I ( and I expect many others) envied her because she got to sit at her desk drawing or reading while we had to stand with our hands clasped feigning that we were praying. What's off about this is that I'm sure as a Jewish girl she also prayed, but our silent morning prayers were clearly of the Christian nature.

This same little girl did not celebrate Christmas as her parents were not modern in that respect. She was off on Christmas because it was a school holiday of course, but she had to miss classes on her own Jewish holidays. Again, many of us were quite envious.

At that time our town was predominantly Christian and there were no Jewish synagogues within our borders so there was no complaint from anyone about prayers and Christmas pageants in school, but times have indeed changed and all religions would have to be accommodated and so it's best left out of the schools.

Christmas is a federal holiday and should we want to make it secular and non-denominational then we could bring Christmas back into the schools. I can say with great authority that my own mother would support Christian prayers and teachings in any school classroom but would've screamed to the Heavens if another religion were to be recognized in the same way. My mother was even against the teachings of other Christian denominations. She would never have tolerated Protestant or Baptist versions being taught and the King James Bible was not allowed in our house.

We had one Unitarian style Fellowship church in our town which my mother referred to as a cult and many high school students opted to attend this shockingly progressive church, but to my mother it was a temple of evil. My mother was full of surprised though. She gave some Jehovah's Witness folks the asking price of 5 cents for their Watchtower publication so as not to appear rude at her own front door.

In summary: my mother was greatly in favor of Catholic prayer and teachings in the classroom but nobody else was allowed in.
Husker Du

Muscotah, KS

#273247 Dec 30, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>A fetus is not a baby and a woman may have a fetus removed from her uterus, legally. That you feel that it is wrong isn't relevant. If a woman feels it's wrong, she doesn't have to choose abortion. Double standard? No, because a man is incapable of getting pregnant. Is there a double standard because a woman can't have a vasectomy?
How horrid of you denying the small pre born infant. Fetus means offspring, a baby also means offspring. You are truly evil and please quit drinking the demonic kool-aid, K? You despise the child created by God, how evil of you.
Husker Du

Muscotah, KS

#273248 Dec 30, 2012
Bitner wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm entisfree/belief/2012/dec/30/d isgrace-papal-blessing-ugandan -homophobia
So much for the so-called "culture of life", huh?
The writer proved she is part of the Culture of Death, like you are.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#273249 Dec 30, 2012
Bitner wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm entisfree/belief/2012/dec/30/d isgrace-papal-blessing-ugandan -homophobia
So much for the so-called "culture of life", huh?
"The pope is a social issues guy, more interested in themes like "traditional" family values, gay marriage and abortion than, say, helping the poor. And the Vatican is quick to slap down anyone but especially any women, and particularly women who have the nerve to think of themselves as equal to men who focuses on helping the most in need, instead of crusading against abortion and gay people. As far as the Church is concerned, advocating for the equal participation of women is "radical feminism" worthy of condemnation; pushing for legislation that kills gay people is worthy of a blessing."

Time moves forward and it's hard for an old religion to keep up. Let's face it, if the Catholic Church reversed it's stance on homosexuality, abortion and equality of women would it still be the Catholic Church? I say no. Members of the Church need to follow and believe to tenets of that religion. What the Church can do though is leave others alone. If a person in a homosexual relationship isn't Catholic then it's no business of the Church. And if they are Catholic then it's time to make a choice: a gay relationship or the Catholic faith.

That's another way choice works. A person can choose to follow the tenets of their religion or they can choose to leave that religion. A religion doesn't bend to the will of the people, the people bend to the will of the religion.
husker du

Muscotah, KS

#273250 Dec 30, 2012
Bitner wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm entisfree/belief/2012/dec/30/d isgrace-papal-blessing-ugandan -homophobia
So much for the so-called "culture of life", huh?
That article shows that the writer embraces the culter of death, like you do. Te Pope knows how to communicate, and you hate that.

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