Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 311484 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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#269738 Dec 13, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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Inky, before a doctor is prosecuted for a botched abortion, the state has to prove either intent, or culpability. In and of itself, a botched abortion is proof of neither.
Perhaps you'd want to seek the opinion of another lawyer.
Lynne; your thoughts?
lol. Yes, LLL, please, bray, away.
Kenose

Brooklyn, NY

#269739 Dec 13, 2012
Ink wrote:
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I have a right in this country to accept or decline any religion. That doesn't make me a bigot, it makes me American.
If I choose a green sweater over a red one, does that make me bigoted or prejudice against red?
It doesn't appear you know what prejudice means either. Please continue to exorcise your rights and show off your ignorance.
sasssylicious

Jackson, NJ

#269740 Dec 13, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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I took responsibility for my actions dweeb. My daughter lives with me.
As for my hatred for my ex-wife, I'll worry about that. But, you're making the same mistake as my ex-wife; thinking my daughter has not grown in 2 1/2 years. That alone lumps you on the same sack of sh*t as my ex-wife. My daughter has a record of all the broken promises, time lost, and disappointments her mother has caused her.
And that's the reason why I would do cartwheels in the air if my ex-wife was no longer alive. At least my daughter would stop suffering from the disappointment of having a dead beat mother, which by comparison, will always be far more traumatizing to a kid than having a dead beat father.
You think about that now.
I think that it is sad that her mom is like you are saying but I find you responsible for this(partly).

"""At least my daughter would stop suffering from the disappointment of having a dead beat mother, which by comparison, will always be far more traumatizing to a kid than having a dead beat father"""" """

Again, you seem to think you know best. Either way,you like to shift ALL the blame on your ex. TYPICAL of a divorced person(male or female). Bottom line,and this goes with any divorced couple-YOU chose to marry your spouse...you don't come first anymore. Hating each other(EVERY couple if talked to,will have the wife blaming the husband while the husband blames the wife)should not be seen or heard by the children invovled.

You are oozing with hate over this woman. YOU revealed to us that you never loved her but had no problem using her for sex. Interesting. Then she gets pregnant and you are in total hate mode with her.

Grow up.

"""" But, you're making the same mistake as my ex-wife; thinking my daughter has not grown in 2 1/2 years."""" ""

You have her raised by nanny's year round. Plus she is now medicated. I am SURE you think that she's grown. Doing good in school doesn't always equal good parenting btw. What about her moral life? What about her religion that is being mocked and bashed by her father?

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#269741 Dec 13, 2012
Ink wrote:
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You can disregard their individual stories of regret and healing and I will disregard your stories of women who are glad they killed their babies. My thought is that both are out there.
We are talking about abortion, not killing babies. If you can't be honest, be quiet.

I specifically asked for statistics. You can't provide them. They don't exist.

I have never claimed to have statistics on the number of women that are glad they had an abortion. I can provide anecdotal evidence. I don't call that proof, like you try to do.

Stop your silliness, mujerita.
sasssylicious

Jackson, NJ

#269742 Dec 13, 2012
TomTom wrote:
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Why didn't your husband help you? Seems like a sinmple solution.
I thought the very same thing. Ocean seems like she is filled with such anger over being pregnant and having to raise her child.

I have never seen such negativity coming from a Mother. I have never heard her say ONE positive,loving thing about having a child or children. NOTHING. She is miserable and so she wants to warn others that they will be too.
Katie

Seattle, WA

#269743 Dec 13, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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Katie, you and Ayakaneo have excellent memories. Kudos to both of you!
At times I wonder whether NR, Lynne and Sassy set up nightly meetings on Dweeb's bed to "compare notes."
They do! Of course they plan -- probably have search missions assigned, too. j/k! LOL

Anyway, thanks for confirming, CD. The example he just gave is actually his starting point in that conversation -- is how I remember it anyway. He jumped in without knowing the parameters and started claiming "accident" overran manslaughter, iirc.

Good to see you back, CD :)

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#269744 Dec 13, 2012
Ink wrote:
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I don't think they were doctors for the most part, providing illegal abortions that were killing women, so why not list the cause of death?
Omg, are you really that uneducated? If you don't know the history of the issue, don't try to debate before you do.
sasssylicious

Jackson, NJ

#269745 Dec 13, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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I couldn't care less whether regressive, anti-choice imbeciles like YOU agree with me or not, sASSy. It is still a fact that many women are PRESSURED into motherhood by family and/or religious community, and purposely AREN'T told about the hardships of it until AFTER they have had a baby. Then, of course, it is too late. I'd much rather have more childfree (no kids by choice) women -- and men too -- and fewer women and men who deeply regret that they became moms and dads at all.
IMO keeping girls/women in ignorance of these hardships is a bad practice which needs to be changed, so I'll go on doing my part to change it. Whether YOU like my doing that or not is irrelevant, as are you.
I am sure many are pressured into motherhood. That has nothing to do with your ranting ON AND ON about the negative side of parenting.

ANYTHING we do in life has it's ups and downs. But to continually focus on all the negative experiences in life is just not normal.

For a young kid,it is good to let them know that parenting isn't a piece of cake but to shove this whole image of motherhood on them that reflects YOUR bad experiences,is dishonest.

Most of the things that you have listed are isolated times in that childs life(colic-not all kids are colic,diapers,etc). You want to use scare tactics to "teach" a young person or older person to prevent motherhood?

I am sorry,but that is just sick and unnatural.
Ink

Bensalem, PA

#269746 Dec 13, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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Actually, I think they were doctors. Doctors who engaged in illegal practices, who quite plausibly had very lucrative practices, and who did not want to risk losing their license over an illegal procedure that went bad. And that's why the cause of death wasn't listed.
Which proves a point; abortion has existed before it was legal, and will exist even if it is made illegal at any point in time.
Luckily for us, the latter is, more likely than not, to not happen.
Too bad family members didn 't complain. Maybe some women would have been saved if they were put out of business. Better to have a child and live then to die trying to kill it.
sasssylicious

Jackson, NJ

#269747 Dec 13, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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NO, sASSy, that's what regressive, anti-choice losers like YOU (and Knutter, TomTom, NoRelevance, etc.) prefer to BELIEVE. What you are claiming about me is blatantly FALSE. But I have no intention of giving you personal details about me, simply because they are none of YOUR bleeping business.
Personally, I feel it is much better for girls/women to know all about the HARDSHIPS of motherhood long before they even get pregnant, let alone before they have a baby. If some girls/women decide they DON'T want to be mothers at any time, because they DON'T want the hardships that motherhood involves, that's fine. I think it's much better for them to make an INFORMED decision about motherhood, rather than to make it in ignorance. Don't like it? Too bad.
"""I think it's much better for them to make an INFORMED decision about motherhood"""

Informed?

Excuse me but just because YOU had a horrible pregnancy and horrible experience raising your child doesn't mean ALL people do. I have a few children and can't ever sit back and think of ANYTHING negative. It's like going through hard labor and then once you see the baby in front of you,you *forget* the negative experience.

And btw..I KNOW for a fact about the pain. I had horrible labor/birth. I also understand losing sleep, crying babies, two year old temper tantrums, getting kids to bed when they don't want to, teenagers going out and waiting for them to come home,etc....etc.......

You have also included in your ranting,that a womans life is practically over and ruined. Sit back and reread what you write. It's just...well...creepy.
Ink

Bensalem, PA

#269748 Dec 13, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>We are talking about abortion, not killing babies. If you can't be honest, be quiet.
I specifically asked for statistics. You can't provide them. They don't exist.
I have never claimed to have statistics on the number of women that are glad they had an abortion. I can provide anecdotal evidence. I don't call that proof, like you try to do.
Stop your silliness, mujerita.
You need to be honest, that fetus is a baby in the early stages of life. Fully alive.

I provided exactly what you provided from the other side. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

“Dan IS the Man”

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#269749 Dec 13, 2012
sasssylicious wrote:
<quoted text> Ocean can say or think what she wants but for the sake of her own child,I would not want her child to see what she has to say. She has NOTHING good to say about her experience. That is sad. Her life was OVER and worthless since giving birth. That's not only sad but VERY disturbing.
"""Why are men who don't want kids being vilified the same way the women who don't want kids are being vilified"""
What man has expressed such negativity about having a child on here? I must have missed those posts.
I'm sure those kind are out at the bank withdrawing money for their gf/wifes abortion to rid themselves of their responsibility.
I haven't read all of Ocean's posts but I don't think she said her life is "over" and "worthless". If she has nothing good to say about her experience then do you expect her to lie? A lot of women have very bad pregnancy experiences. That's reality, so are they supposed to lie about it and sugarcoat it? I've known all kinds of women: women whose whole lives revolve around kids and motherhood and they loved it, mothers who love their kids dearly but did many other things too. Women who went on to dote all over their grandchildren and women who went on to enjoy their freedom once the kids were grown. And women who don't want kids.

My own mother had a close cousin ( elderly now) who had been married and had an annulment before I was born. She never remarried or had kids and she's lived a full life and has friends all over Europe. Women are not here just to be breeders. It's a personal choice and if Ocean isn't thrilled with motherhood that's her right. I'm sure that doesn't mean she hates her child. She's probably a fine mother. She'll just decide to not have more kids.

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#269750 Dec 13, 2012
Ink wrote:
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How does your comment relate to reporting of whether or not abortion deaths were reported?
They weren't reported as botched abortions, because abortion was illegal. Duh. You're obviously old enough to remember when women didn't have abortions, they always called them D&C's, which wasn't a lie, so it was all good, even for Catholics. Don't try to tell me that didn't happen often. I grew up in NM, land of Roman Catholics:-) It happened, a lot.
sasssylicious

Jackson, NJ

#269751 Dec 13, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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Actually, what's even more interesting is how you fundies find it necessary to stay in bad, loveless marriages, because some dumb-ass 2000 years ago said that marriage is "for better or for worse," but didn't define what's "better" and what's "worse."
Care to partake of the same table as us "pagans" (as your Jeebus did) and enlighten us on the concept of "for better or for worse[?]"
^^says the thrice married man^^ who claims he never loved his wife and yet didn't seem to care that he was using her for sex.

Unlike you,most people marry for love and commitment. The couple become ONE flesh. You can't separate the number one. The problem with what I see in many failed relationships,is that the couple went INTO the marriage with real issues that were NEVER addressed. As life goes on,with the ups and downs that it brings us,the marriage then falls apart.

Communication is the key to success IMHO. Without that,things just snowball. With our human nature(we are selfish beings due to our sinful nature),it is easy to focus on what WE want out of the marriage. But,if you continually think of your spouse on the very same level as yourself,you wouldn't be focused on your own selfish needs and desires.

Marriage isn't for wimps,that's for sure.

In the meantime,you take a vow to love your spouse for better or worse,and in a religious ceremony,that vow is before Almighty God. You then need to go to him for guidance and help when things are not going so well.

Marriage takes daily effort to put that person first. Daily prayer is needed in order to have a successful marriage. It's no different than your efforts to being a good parent. To play battle of the wills will lead to a failed relationship. It doesn't work.

“Dan IS the Man”

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#269752 Dec 13, 2012
sasssylicious wrote:
<quoted text> It is very sad that she is disrespecting her own mother. I personally feel sorry about it. I wish Bitler would be honest enough to own up to her life choices instead of using her mother to bash the RCC.
Funny how you had no problem with Cpeter calling the deceased "medical waste". Hows THAT for an attack on someones loved ones?
I don't think Bitner is disrespecting her own mother. I see faux-Christians making judgments about people's mothers when they don't even know these women.

I didn't see the post where Cpeter used the term "medical waste" to describe the deceased. I would disagree. I think the use of metallic coffins placed in cement vaults prevents our deceased bodies from returning to the Earth and being part of the cycle of life.

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#269753 Dec 13, 2012
Ink wrote:
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Too bad family members didn 't complain. Maybe some women would have been saved if they were put out of business. Better to have a child and live then to die trying to kill it.
Back then, family members probably wouldn't be supportive of abortion. Duh, again.

Better to have abortion rights... Legal, safe abortion... No stigmas attached to abortion. Thank Gawd for RvW!

Thanks once more for your support, Ink, as unintentional as it is. You're funny!

“Dan IS the Man”

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#269754 Dec 13, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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NO, sASSy, that's what regressive, anti-choice losers like YOU (and Knutter, TomTom, NoRelevance, etc.) prefer to BELIEVE. What you are claiming about me is blatantly FALSE. But I have no intention of giving you personal details about me, simply because they are none of YOUR bleeping business.
Personally, I feel it is much better for girls/women to know all about the HARDSHIPS of motherhood long before they even get pregnant, let alone before they have a baby. If some girls/women decide they DON'T want to be mothers at any time, because they DON'T want the hardships that motherhood involves, that's fine. I think it's much better for them to make an INFORMED decision about motherhood, rather than to make it in ignorance. Don't like it? Too bad.
These jackasses want to make people feel bad because they don't lie and claim that parenthood is all rainbows, pink cotton candy and glitter 24/7 for many many years. If they want to live in a world of delusions that's their choice.
sasssylicious

Jackson, NJ

#269755 Dec 13, 2012
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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I haven't read all of Ocean's posts but I don't think she said her life is "over" and "worthless". If she has nothing good to say about her experience then do you expect her to lie? A lot of women have very bad pregnancy experiences. That's reality, so are they supposed to lie about it and sugarcoat it? I've known all kinds of women: women whose whole lives revolve around kids and motherhood and they loved it, mothers who love their kids dearly but did many other things too. Women who went on to dote all over their grandchildren and women who went on to enjoy their freedom once the kids were grown. And women who don't want kids.
My own mother had a close cousin ( elderly now) who had been married and had an annulment before I was born. She never remarried or had kids and she's lived a full life and has friends all over Europe. Women are not here just to be breeders. It's a personal choice and if Ocean isn't thrilled with motherhood that's her right. I'm sure that doesn't mean she hates her child. She's probably a fine mother. She'll just decide to not have more kids.
You haven't read all her posts about the negative side of having kids? Have your read all her posts about women who CHOOSE to have one,two or 20 kids? She is clearly anti-life,anti-choice,anti-wom anhood.

I don't care if she has no kids,ten kids or a hundred kids. She thinks that by bashing pregnancy and motherhood that she is 'educating' people. Okay,she had a BAD experience but that doesn't mean EVERYONE does.

""""That's reality, so are they supposed to lie about it and sugarcoat it? I've known all kinds of women: women whose whole lives revolve around kids and motherhood and they loved it, mothers who love their kids dearly but did many other things too"""" """"

Who is asking her to explain HER experiences with pregnancy and motherhood? LOL Nobody cares.

I love my children to death and my world does revolve around them but that doesn't mean that I don't do other things. Ocean claims that there is no in between.

I have a husband and we do couple things. We have date nights...just the two of us. That doesn't take away from the fact that my kids are my world. In fact,it makes a positive impression on my children that their parents take the time to nourish their marriage.

Of course when kids are small,it is alot harder to do things but they do grow.

“Dan IS the Man”

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#269756 Dec 13, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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What a load of BULL, but this kind of NONSENSE is typical of regressive religionist imbeciles like you (and Knutter, sASSY, NoRelevance, etc.), who think a woman's ONLY valid occupation is reproduction.
Procreation is just ONE reason for sex, but certainly isn't the ONLY reason. There are plenty of NORMAL people, both women and men, who for personal reasons simply DON'T ever want children, and that is just fine. Whether women or men have children or not is none of YOUR bleeping business, nor that of your toxic church. Motherhood is still OPTIONAL, not required, and any woman can reject it if she doesn't want the hardships and responsibilities that motherhood involves. You and other regressive imbeciles are just pissed that women CAN reject motherhood without any penalties whatsoever. Too bad.
LMAO! I don't believe for one second that these fundies have sex ONLY when they're procreating.

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#269757 Dec 13, 2012
Ink wrote:
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You need to be honest, that fetus is a baby in the early stages of life. Fully alive.
I provided exactly what you provided from the other side. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
What are you talking about? I never post links. I state what I know, that's all. You made a claim, I asked for proof. All you had to do is admit that you don't proof, just a prolife website of anecdotes. I haven't said one thing or another about "the other side." You're confused, honey.

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