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Scientists studying the changing nature of the Earth's climate say they have completed one crucial task - proving beyond a doubt that global warming is real.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7334 Dec 14, 2012
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry you’re a little behind but my solar panels do an excellent job charging my batteries. Wind the jury is still out but the new tech should make a big change in efficiency.Heck my solar panel works well with a full moon.
Behind? okaaay...
There are over 60 million passenger cars in the US alone. Maybe 1/10th of 1% of those are electric (not counting golf carts, mobility scooters, etc.). At .001 kw generated per square foot and between 1.8 - 2.7 kw and 6-10 hr to charge, how many panels would it take to maintain a mere 60,000 electric vehicles? If the goal is to replace the internal combustion engine altogether, that doesn't count for trucks, buses, landscape, farm and construction equipment, etc. etc. where toting batteries is (at the very least) impractical.
litesong

Everett, WA

#7336 Dec 14, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
.......toting batteries is .... impractical.
Electric motors are wonderful, in-city pollution freedom(almost no pollution, no where, with hydro, wind or solar power), providing power in small packages, highest torque at lowest rpms, three TIMES the efficiency of 100 plus years of internal combustion engine development, simple, & providing utter quietness & smoothness, compared to ICE.

Work the battery technology & the miracles will follow.



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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7337 Dec 14, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Electric motors are wonderful, in-city pollution freedom(almost no pollution, no where, with hydro, wind or solar power), providing power in small packages, highest torque at lowest rpms, three TIMES the efficiency of 100 plus years of internal combustion engine development, simple, & providing utter quietness & smoothness, compared to ICE.
Work the battery technology & the miracles will follow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =369h-SEBXd8XX
Wonderful? Hmm. Okay.
It always comes down to the right tool for the right job. For personal transportation the electric motor is fine. For harvesting a few thousand acres of wheat - not so much.
There are many circumstances where toting batteries is impractical. The car in the video is carrying well over 600 lbs of lead acid batteries to feed its 300 HP motor, and the cost for these was probably around $9,000. A truck battery can easily weigh 6 times as much as the ones used in the White Zombie, and most trucks carry 2 just for the starter. To provide the amp hours to RUN a school bus, dump truck or semi would be off the charts.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#7338 Dec 14, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Behind? okaaay...
There are over 60 million passenger cars in the US alone. Maybe 1/10th of 1% of those are electric (not counting golf carts, mobility scooters, etc.). At .001 kw generated per square foot and between 1.8 - 2.7 kw and 6-10 hr to charge, how many panels would it take to maintain a mere 60,000 electric vehicles? If the goal is to replace the internal combustion engine altogether, that doesn't count for trucks, buses, landscape, farm and construction equipment, etc. etc. where toting batteries is (at the very least) impractical.
Inductive charging.Space Solar Power. Not practical but soon will be.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7339 Dec 14, 2012
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Inductive charging.Space Solar Power. Not practical but soon will be.
Please don't go there. You'll look as silly as Tina Less Than a Box of Rocks.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#7340 Dec 14, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Please don't go there. You'll look as silly as Tina Less Than a Box of Rocks.
You look even sillier keeping yourself limited.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7341 Dec 14, 2012
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>You look even sillier keeping yourself limited.
I said please, didn't I?
Get back with me after you've rewound a few motors. Inductive charging for high amperage applications? Inverse square law is just one of a half dozen factors against that gimmick - and that's all it is for 99% of applications, a gimmick. If your device is close enough for inductive charging you are better off just to plug it in. Space based power generation for terrestrial consumption? Not feasible for another dozen reasons.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#7342 Dec 14, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
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I said please, didn't I?
Get back with me after you've rewound a few motors. Inductive charging for high amperage applications? Inverse square law is just one of a half dozen factors against that gimmick - and that's all it is for 99% of applications, a gimmick. If your device is close enough for inductive charging you are better off just to plug it in. Space based power generation for terrestrial consumption? Not feasible for another dozen reasons.
I said this is a Free America didn't I? You can limit your thinking if you choose. Henry Ford was called a gimmick with his assembly line and he was able to industrialize the world. Ya that rewind thing you talk about was covered in basic electricity class. Not feasible is because you choose to limit yourself.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7343 Dec 14, 2012
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>I said this is a Free America didn't I? You can limit your thinking if you choose. Henry Ford was called a gimmick with his assembly line and he was able to industrialize the world. Ya that rewind thing you talk about was covered in basic electricity class. Not feasible is because you choose to limit yourself.
rewind was covered in electricity class... okay. I guess we're done here. You have a nice day, now.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#7344 Dec 14, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
rewind was covered in electricity class... okay. I guess we're done here. You have a nice day, now.
It was basic electricity class.Only if you choose to be done. You have a greater day.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#7345 Dec 14, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
rewind was covered in electricity class... okay. I guess we're done here. You have a nice day, now.
www.ehow.com/how_8777580_do-yo urself-winding-electric-motor. html
Maybe this will help.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#7346 Dec 14, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Not only am I capable of learning, I'm also capable of comprehending and extrapolating. Try it.
Greenland is not the only north polar land area.
The southern ARCTIC pole is completely land bound.
Water vapor is a major part of the greenhouse mechanism.
Water that falls on land is not forever bound to stay on land - and pay attentions to this: Even if it falls as snow and becomes glacial ice, it can and probably will eventually melt and flow into an ocean.
I am assuming that you are talking about Antartica and the funny thing is that based on the measurements and other evidence that it is getting thicker. Numerous man made items have been abandoned for one reason or another and quickly buried. Equipment like cranes for example.

So how can you extrapolate that Antartica is shrinking when there is plenty of proof that the sheet is thickening? That if anything the mass of the Antartic ice sheet is if anything growing.

http://www.fogonazos.es/2007/04/recovery-of-a...

http://www.iceagenow.com/Construction_Crane_B...
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#7347 Dec 15, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
I am assuming that you are talking about Antartica and the funny thing is that based on the measurements and other evidence that it is getting thicker. Numerous man made items have been abandoned for one reason or another and quickly buried. Equipment like cranes for example.
So how can you extrapolate that Antartica is shrinking when there is plenty of proof that the sheet is thickening? That if anything the mass of the Antartic ice sheet is if anything growing.
http://www.fogonazos.es/2007/04/recovery-of-a...
http://www.iceagenow.com/Construction_Crane_B...
It's Antarctica!!! Yes you do make an ASSumption of your---self again.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#7348 Dec 16, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
MTBE doesn't break down in soils and is far, far more toxic than ethanol.
What's the lethal dose to 50% of the subjects exposed? Ethanol is more toxic than water, but maybe less than MTBE. I'd like to see the numbers.

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ChromiuMan wrote:
You do not want MTBE in your aquifer.
I want water in my aquifer and and more alcohol in my beer than in my gas tank. Call me old fashioned; I like gasoline and fossil fuel derivatives. Burn the old and keep the new.

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ChromiuMan wrote:
A better alternative to alcohol or MTBE would be to move toward biofuels that don't originate from food stocks
Just as bad; diverting land, labor and investment from food to fuel increases the price of food. A better alternative to alcohol is fossil fuel, natural gas, oil and coal powered fuel cells.

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ChromiuMan wrote:
and to break from traditional reciprocating engine technology.
Or let the market decide; instead of fool politicians and crony green business buddies. There's nothing wrong with internal combustion that a muffler can't fix.

These environmentalists would prefer transportation by wind powered propellers on beanie caps, to the internal combustion engine.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#7349 Dec 16, 2012
The climate change really really means nothing other than a new method for the scare monger AKA "litesout".

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7350 Dec 16, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
I am assuming that you are talking about Antartica and the funny thing is that based on the measurements and other evidence that it is getting thicker. Numerous man made items have been abandoned for one reason or another and quickly buried. Equipment like cranes for example.
So how can you extrapolate that Antartica is shrinking when there is plenty of proof that the sheet is thickening? That if anything the mass of the Antartic ice sheet is if anything growing.
http://www.fogonazos.es/2007/04/recovery-of-a...
http://www.iceagenow.com/Construction_Crane_B...
There has to be moisture in the air to precipitate, and the colder the air, the less moisture it can hold. The Antarctic ice is getting thicker, but this is not despite warmer global temperatures, but because of changing weather. Next, you might say that the area of antarctic sea ice is getting larger - more of the same. It is slightly larger, while the arctic sea ice has been significantly smaller.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#7351 Dec 16, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
I am assuming that you are talking about Antartica and the funny thing is that based on the measurements and other evidence that it is getting thicker. Numerous man made items have been abandoned for one reason or another and quickly buried. Equipment like cranes for example.
So how can you extrapolate that Antartica is shrinking when there is plenty of proof that the sheet is thickening? That if anything the mass of the Antartic ice sheet is if anything growing.
http://www.fogonazos.es/2007/04/recovery-of-a...
http://www.iceagenow.com/Construction_Crane_B...
Snow falls on top and buries stuff.

Ice flows out at the sides and melts.

What's important is which happens faster?

The answer is more is melting.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7352 Dec 16, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>What's the lethal dose to 50% of the subjects exposed? Ethanol is more toxic than water, but maybe less than MTBE. I'd like to see the numbers.
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<quoted text>I want water in my aquifer and and more alcohol in my beer than in my gas tank. Call me old fashioned; I like gasoline and fossil fuel derivatives. Burn the old and keep the new.
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<quoted text>Just as bad; diverting land, labor and investment from food to fuel increases the price of food. A better alternative to alcohol is fossil fuel, natural gas, oil and coal powered fuel cells.
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<quoted text>Or let the market decide; instead of fool politicians and crony green business buddies. There's nothing wrong with internal combustion that a muffler can't fix.
These environmentalists would prefer transportation by wind powered propellers on beanie caps, to the internal combustion engine.

Gasoline is toxic. Ethyl alcohol is toxic. Methyl tert-butyl ether is toxic. ICE emissions are toxic. Even water is toxic if you drink large enough amounts. You can easily look up the MSDS for almost any chemical you want. Don't ask me to do your homework.
I don't really care about your love of antique technology. We've been using essentially the same engine for well over a hundred years. It's a new millenia and past time to make good use of that vastly larger database of knowledge we've accumulated since 1876.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7353 Dec 16, 2012
PHD wrote:
<quoted text> www.ehow.com/how_8777580_do-yourself-winding-...
Maybe this will help.
Nope. Doesn't help me and doesn't help you. The physics and my point remain. There is the pie in the sky theory, and there is the reasonable application. You can continue attempts to belittle, but it changes nothing.
If you place coils close enough to enable inductive charging, you may as well omit the excess apparatus and plug the battery into the power supply. Faster, cheaper, more efficient. Defending Rube Goldberg "as seen in Sky Mall" devices doesn't make you a futurist.
Who finances a space array? How do you transmit power to a terrestrial receiver? When (if ever? Doubtful.) will the technology make it more practical or economical than many, many other means of generating electricity? Geothermal, hydro-thermal, Hydroelectric, solar, tidal, wind, combustion....

Since: Mar 09

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#7354 Dec 16, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. Doesn't help me and doesn't help you. The physics and my point remain. There is the pie in the sky theory, and there is the reasonable application. You can continue attempts to belittle, but it changes nothing.
If you place coils close enough to enable inductive charging, you may as well omit the excess apparatus and plug the battery into the power supply. Faster, cheaper, more efficient. Defending Rube Goldberg "as seen in Sky Mall" devices doesn't make you a futurist.
Who finances a space array? How do you transmit power to a terrestrial receiver? When (if ever? Doubtful.) will the technology make it more practical or economical than many, many other means of generating electricity? Geothermal, hydro-thermal, Hydroelectric, solar, tidal, wind, combustion....
You are probably correct, but I wonder about transportation ie. roads that induct power to cars.

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