Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 20 comments on the Dec 14, 2008, Newsday story titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#49202 Aug 3, 2014
Jeez wrote:
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Why have borders?
That says it all. This is who we're are dealing with, folks.
Fairfax Media earlier reported that a surrogacy agent who helped coordinate the agreement between Pattaramon and the Australian couple told her to abort the pregnancy after doctors learnt one of the twins had Down Syndrome.

Pattaramon told the newspaper she refused the abortion because of her Buddhist faith.

Donors to the fundraising website criticised the baby's abandonment.

"Poor innocent baby. He did not ask to be deserted. I hope that he can be cared for and loved and live," wrote one donor, who added that she had an "adorable" daughter with Down Syndrome.

Commercial surrogacy, in which a woman is paid to carry a child, is not permitted in Australia but couples are able to use an altruistic surrogate who receives no payment beyond medical and other reasonable expenses.

However, Surrogacy Australia said more couples choose to go overseas than find an altruistic surrogate at home, with 400 or 500 each year venturing to India, Thailand, the United States and other places to do so.

P.S. The boy, Gammy, and a twin sister were born to Thai woman Pattaramon Chanbua in December after she was reportedly paid Aus$16,000 (US$14,900) to be a surrogate.

An unnamed Australian couple took the sister, who was healthy, but left Gammy behind, according to media reports.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#49204 Aug 3, 2014
Mothra wrote:
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"All of the available scientific evidence suggests that greenhouse gas emissions must peak relatively soon and then fall dramatically over the next 50 years, if not sooner, if we are to avoid the most damaging and disruptive aspects of climate change.".. citing the IPCC.
"All"?
More accurately, "All the scientific evidence considered by the IPCC suggests..."
btw, there's no 'questioning' here of conventional wisdom. Just more warmist "settled" "consensus" 'science'.
Hmmm, "conventional wisdom". Why don't you elaborate. That should be interesting.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#49205 Aug 3, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Fairfax Media earlier reported that a surrogacy agent who helped coordinate the agreement between Pattaramon and the Australian couple told her to abort the pregnancy after doctors learnt one of the twins had Down Syndrome.
Pattaramon told the newspaper she refused the abortion because of her Buddhist faith.
Donors to the fundraising website criticised the baby's abandonment.
"Poor innocent baby. He did not ask to be deserted. I hope that he can be cared for and loved and live," wrote one donor, who added that she had an "adorable" daughter with Down Syndrome.
Commercial surrogacy, in which a woman is paid to carry a child, is not permitted in Australia but couples are able to use an altruistic surrogate who receives no payment beyond medical and other reasonable expenses.
However, Surrogacy Australia said more couples choose to go overseas than find an altruistic surrogate at home, with 400 or 500 each year venturing to India, Thailand, the United States and other places to do so.
P.S. The boy, Gammy, and a twin sister were born to Thai woman Pattaramon Chanbua in December after she was reportedly paid Aus$16,000 (US$14,900) to be a surrogate.
An unnamed Australian couple took the sister, who was healthy, but left Gammy behind, according to media reports.
There are many things to consider. Things are not all black and white like the Teabaggers portrait. History will place them as a bump in the road in the on-going quest for progress.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#49206 Aug 3, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Hmmm, "conventional wisdom". Why don't you elaborate. That should be interesting.
"Read the story at the link below, it questions conventional wisdom on Global Warming."

Just using a phrase already introduced... and debunking the same. Silly me, I should have put quotes around that knowing how warmists do love their petty word/grammar games.

Do keep up.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#49207 Aug 3, 2014
Mothra wrote:
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"Read the story at the link below, it questions conventional wisdom on Global Warming."
Just using a phrase already introduced... and debunking the same. Silly me, I should have put quotes around that knowing how warmists do love their petty word/grammar games.
Do keep up.
Sorry, I just got back from a mission trip to a Church Camp in Colorado. A pretty good article and it brings out some good points. I do take issue with some of the ideas. CH4 or methane has four hydrogen atoms bonded to each carbon atom. when it is burned, it produces one CO2 molecule to four H20 molecules. Burning H2 produces about 141 MJ/kg so burning methane which contains four H atoms to each C atom produces about 55 MJ/kg. Coal is largely carbon with other impurities giving an average of about 20 MJ/kg. This is a great difference in CO2 produced per Joule between methane and coal. Also the refining of oil produces methane as well as transporting coal produces a lot of CO2. So there are many factors to consider. That is why we must consider all the scientific knowledge in setting our priorities. That is why the current demeaning of the scientific process is counter productive to the progress of mankind.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#49208 Aug 3, 2014
Their denial fits perfectly with their support for free market economics, opposition to state intervention and hatred of all those latte-slurping, quinoa-munching liberals, with their arrogant manners and dainty hybrid cars, who presume to tell honest men and women how to live. If they admitted they were wrong on climate change, they might have to admit that they were wrong on everything else and their whole political identity would unravel.

Nick Cohen-The Observer

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#49209 Aug 3, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
Their denial fits perfectly with their support for free market economics, opposition to state intervention and hatred of all those latte-slurping, quinoa-munching liberals, with their arrogant manners and dainty hybrid cars, who presume to tell honest men and women how to live. If they admitted they were wrong on climate change, they might have to admit that they were wrong on everything else and their whole political identity would unravel.
Nick Cohen-The Observer
My, my, you show a lot of hatred! I am not so sure that the liberals are the only ones who are telling folks how they should live. BTW, global warming is not a partisan thing, even though some folks try to make it so. Try to open your mind a little.

Unfortunately, free market economics does little to solve problems of pollution or resource depletion.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#49210 Aug 3, 2014
Ah, Bozo, how soon you forget when I'm not here every day.

Re-read. My post was from an article sympathetic to the AGW cause.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014...

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#49211 Aug 3, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
Their denial fits perfectly with their support for free market economics, opposition to state intervention and hatred of all those latte-slurping, quinoa-munching liberals, with their arrogant manners and dainty hybrid cars, who presume to tell honest men and women how to live. If they admitted they were wrong on climate change, they might have to admit that they were wrong on everything else and their whole political identity would unravel. Nick Cohen-The Observer
On the other hand, the Soviet Union and China were wrong on communism, now they are the world's two greatest emitters of greenhouse gas.

Emitting CO2 means progress, growth and prosperity.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#49212 Aug 3, 2014
Why do you remaining and eager to "believe" Climate Blame "believers" exaggerate science's laughable 32 years of 95% certainty that THE END IS NEAR for billions of children? Stop fear mongering like the neocons that you hissy fit hate so much.
And get up to date;
*Occupywallstreet now does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded and corporate run carbon trading stock markets ruled by politicians.
*Canada killed Y2Kyoto 2 years ago with a freely elected climate change denying prime minister and nobody cared, especially the millions of scientists warning us of unstoppable warming (a comet hit). What did YOU do about it planet lovers?
It was never a crime for science to never say "proven" for a GLOBAL CLIMATE CRISIS but it is a crime for you "believers" to tell our children that science "believes" as much as you do.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#49214 Aug 4, 2014
Oh-oh! Drug companies are going to profit off of AGW now?
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/08/01/below-...
Stay cool my friends!

I think those that scream the "sky is falling" are the ones suffering from depression because it's cool this summer. LOL
litesong

Everett, WA

#49215 Aug 4, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
...... "conventional wisdom". Why don't you(motheaten) elaborate.
"conventional wisdom" to motheaten, a sleepy sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liar, is a lack of science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc in its poorly(or non-) earned hi skule DEE-ploooma. "conventional wisdom" agrees with "lyin' brian" & its errors of 1 million TIMES, 1000 TIMES, 3000 TIMES, 73+ million TIMES, 2.5+ trillion TIMES, & 3.5+ trillion TIMES.

"motheaten" is all this....... & much less!
litesong

Everett, WA

#49216 Aug 4, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
History will place them(teabaggers) as a bump in the road in the on-going quest for progress.
I disagree. teabaggers are empty potholes.......bigger than libertarian(lazy re-pubic-lick-un) potholes with emptiness & the desire to end democratic gov't, replaced by tyrannical forms of gov't called bosshogs..... sleepy sleazy slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigs & certainly proud threateners.

"teabaggers" are all this....... & much less!.

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#49218 Aug 4, 2014
litesong wrote:
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I disagree. teabaggers are empty potholes.......bigger than libertarian(lazy re-pubic-lick-un) potholes with emptiness & the desire to end democratic gov't, replaced by tyrannical forms of gov't called bosshogs..... sleepy sleazy slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigs & certainly proud threateners.
"teabaggers" are all this....... & much less!.
Nothing to back up your claim but name calling.

You realize that's a sure sign of defeat or do you?
litesong

Everett, WA

#49220 Aug 4, 2014
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"]Emitting CO2.......[/QUOTE]

Emitting CO2(along with many other pollutants) without efficiency is building a lethargic future of unconcern for people & wasted resources.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#49222 Aug 4, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
My, my, you show a lot of hatred! I am not so sure that the liberals are the only ones who are telling folks how they should live. BTW, global warming is not a partisan thing, even though some folks try to make it so. Try to open your mind a little.
Unfortunately, free market economics does little to solve problems of pollution or resource depletion.
Sorry, I misread your post. I resubmit this to the deniers.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#49223 Aug 4, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text> BTW, global warming is not a partisan thing, even though some folks try to make it so. Try to open your mind a little.
Unfortunately, free market economics does little to solve problems of pollution or resource depletion.
"litethong" wrote: "conventional wisdom" to motheaten, a sleepy sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liar, is a lack of science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc in its poorly(or non-) earned hi skule DEE-ploooma. "conventional wisdom" agrees with "lyin' brian" & its errors of 1 million TIMES, 1000 TIMES, 3000 TIMES, 73+ million TIMES, 2.5+ trillion TIMES, & 3.5+ trillion TIMES.

"motheaten" is all this....... & much less!

son, it's ONLY about politics in your crowd.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#49224 Aug 4, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>BOZO WROTE: My, my, you show a lot of hatred!

Sorry, I misread your post. I resubmit this to the deniers.
naw......you got it right the first time, partisan hack.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#49225 Aug 4, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Unfortunately, free market economics does little to solve problems of pollution or resource depletion.
as opposed to a socialist market economy like say....china, boy?

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#49226 Aug 4, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>as opposed to a socialist market economy like say....china, boy?
As usual, you have no clue!

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